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#21 Posted on
What about Bad News Allen/Brown? Is he a preacher? "It's sermon time, fool!"
Iron Mike Sharpe
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#22 Posted on
Unless you plan on bringing Mongo back, just let the Horsemen remain dormant.
Punkinhed
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#23 Posted on


Not knowing anything about the Horsemen in their prime, I wanted to ask: were they rookies who grew together, or were they established stars when they formed the stable?



Triple H is a dead ringer for "Buzzer" of the Dreadnoks. Just give him some mirror shades and teach him to say "Blimey, Zartan".
redsoxnation
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Since: 24.7.02

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#24 Posted on

    Originally posted by DarrylTheHitman
    Wait, are you trying to tell me The Missing Link is a preacher?








No, Link is a genetic chemist. Look at what happened to that child he spawned with Pat Patterson. It is now going to marry X-Pac.



I want you to know, I agree with everything I've just said.
AWArulz
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Since: 28.1.02
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#25 Posted on
have my candidate for ugliest. My heros!




(edited by AWArulz on 21.11.02 1116)

We'll be back as soon as order is restored.....
oldschoolhero
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Since: 2.1.02
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#26 Posted on
"In my mind, the Horsemen wouldn't be the Horsemen without Chris Benoit and Arn Anderson."

This makes me laugh-it's okay for Benoit to be put in a remake of the Horsemen, but not Randy Orton or Val Venis? Come on...





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Spinaroonie2245
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Since: 21.11.02
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#27 Posted on
Putting Orton, Venis or Batista in he Horsemen will not make a difference unless they get them somewhat over before giving the angle a go, if they just throw them out there now when the crowd is not reacting to them, it will kill the angle.....the only thing worse than that would be bringing back Paul Roma
EastCoastAvenger
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Since: 4.1.02
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#28 Posted on
Last time I heard, Missing Liknk actually IS a preacher nowadays. At least according to some "Where are they now" article I read recently.



Two hours later they decided to stop at a diner
Because they loved the smell of eggs and coffee
I just had to smoke a cigarette and wear a hat
By the time that they set off again, the sun was starting to set
It made the sky look red like a nuclear ray
One of them said "what do you want more than anything
in this whole wide world
Do you want money, do you want sex, or do you want all that success?"
I thought about that one myself
(Then they came upon the thing)

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Since: 23.10.02
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#29 Posted on

    Originally posted by Punkinhed


    Not knowing anything about the Horsemen in their prime, I wanted to ask: were they rookies who grew together, or were they established stars when they formed the stable?



Ole Anderson was near the end of his career. Ric Flair was well established as a multiple time NWA World champion. He was the NWA World Champion when the group was formed. Tully Blanchard was also established and had been feuding with Dusty Rhodes for a while over the TV Championship and then the old National Championship. Arn Anderson was fairly new to the area but, he had already been National Tag Team Champion along with Ole Anderson and I think Arn was the World Television Champion when the Horsemen were formed.
DarrylTheHitman
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Since: 21.9.02
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#30 Posted on
But The Horsemen were "rookies" in the sense that they were the first major clique/faction/group in one of the big 3 promotions (AWA, NWA, WWF) thus paving the way for the nWo, DX, etc, weren't they? Or was there another major group before them I'm forgetting about?



NickBockwinkelFan
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Since: 10.4.02
From: New York City, NY

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#31 Posted on
    Originally posted by The 5th Horseman: While I can't argue about the fact that the Horsemen weren't pretty boys, I don't know about the ugliest. You must not have seen the mid '80s NWA group consisting of Nikita Koloff, Ivan Koloff, and Baron Von Raschke.






I watched the 1985 & 1986 Great American Bashes a couple of weeks ago, and Baron von Rasche came out and interfered/made the save (point of view) in a Koloffs tag match. He was wearing the standard NWA mid-eighties run in uniform: blue jeans, cowboy boots, no shirt. I'm thinking to myself, "not exactly Teutonic." Every single NWA run-in participant was dressed this way, why? Were the fans more likely to believe in the spontaneity of the run-in if a guy was partially dressed? "I better get out there quick, no time to put on my custom air-brushed t-shirt!"



(edited by NickBockwinkelFan on 22.11.02 0254)

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--Life Lessons from "The Tao of Bobby the Brain Heenan" Uncensored 2000 preview


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Since: 28.1.02
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#32 Posted on

    Originally posted by DarrylTheHitman
    But The Horsemen were "rookies" in the sense that they were the first major clique/faction/group in one of the big 3 promotions (AWA, NWA, WWF) thus paving the way for the nWo, DX, etc, weren't they? Or was there another major group before them I'm forgetting about?


No, you're forgetting

You had, wherever he was managing, the Heenan Family

In AWA, it was Blackjack Lanza, Blackjack Mulligan, Nick Bockwinkle,, Ray "The Crippler" Stevens, "Superstar" Billy Graham, Angelo Poffo, Ernie "The Big Cat" Ladd, Pat Patterson, The Valiant Brothers: Jimmy & Johnny, "Big, Bad" Bobby Duncum, "Cowboy" Bob Orton Jr., Ken Patera, Baron Von Raschke and I am sure some others. That was way before the Horsemen.

In the WWF it was a similar group: "Big" John Studd, "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff, "King" Harley Race, "Ravishing" Rick Rude, Andre the Giant, Mr. Perfect, The Islanders, Hercules and even Arn, Tully and Ric when they came over in what, '93?

If the Heenan family wasn't a stable, I don't know what it was.

And other mamangers did similar things. Skandar Akbar had his stable out in UWF, for example



We'll be back as soon as order is restored.....
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Since: 23.10.02
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#33 Posted on

    Originally posted by DarrylTheHitman
    But The Horsemen were "rookies" in the sense that they were the first major clique/faction/group in one of the big 3 promotions (AWA, NWA, WWF) thus paving the way for the nWo, DX, etc, weren't they? Or was there another major group before them I'm forgetting about?


I don't know. Maybe the AWA guys can answer this, when did the Fabulous Freebirds enter the AWA. I do know that the Freebirds were doing the clique/faction thing in World Class vs. the Von Erichs a couple of years before the Horsemen were formed.
Cerebus
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#34 Posted on
That was a really cool album... The Men I mean. Too bad they didn't put out a 2nd one though.
Pool-Boy
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Since: 1.8.02
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#35 Posted on
Why do we need the Horsemen again, I ask? Why not create some new stables? We have not had a good, new stable since RTC (he, I liked the gimmick!) or the Radicalz (which became awesome). Why can't we have a "Heyman Family?" Instead we get rehashes of D-x, the NWO, and now they are teasing a new Horsemen.
What new have they tried? Oh, the Un-Amercicans, a rehash of team Canada that was horrid... hmm... can't think of much else..
So has the WWE writing staff lost all semblance of creativity?




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Well- my ass still hurts, but lets see what happens this week...
oldschoolhero
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Since: 2.1.02
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#36 Posted on
Everyone is so generic right now, the Horsemen gimmick would be the perfect way of getting over two or three bland midcarders. That's the problem with stables these days-the Nation started out as a black militant group, DX was intitially only a way to boost Michaels' ego and the nWo..actually the nWo was pretty damn original.

My idea for a stable? Stick Sean Morley, Batista, Lance Storm and William Regal together. Regal isn't exactly setting the world on fire as a wrestler right now, so position him as the mouthpiece. The gimmick? They have none. They are all about getting it done. Hence the name-Strictly Business. These guys could just be total rudos, with Storm and Morley as the tag team, batista as the monster ass-kicker and regal as the manager who often gets ver yphysical. Simple, easily done and effective.




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El Duderino
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Since: 15.10.02
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#37 Posted on

    Originally posted by AWArulz
    No, you're forgetting

    You had, wherever he was managing, the Heenan Family

    In AWA, it was Blackjack Lanza, Blackjack Mulligan, Nick Bockwinkle,, Ray "The Crippler" Stevens, "Superstar" Billy Graham, Angelo Poffo, Ernie "The Big Cat" Ladd, Pat Patterson, The Valiant Brothers: Jimmy & Johnny, "Big, Bad" Bobby Duncum, "Cowboy" Bob Orton Jr., Ken Patera, Baron Von Raschke and I am sure some others. That was way before the Horsemen.

    In the WWF it was a similar group: "Big" John Studd, "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff, "King" Harley Race, "Ravishing" Rick Rude, Andre the Giant, Mr. Perfect, The Islanders, Hercules and even Arn, Tully and Ric when they came over in what, '93?

    If the Heenan family wasn't a stable, I don't know what it was.

    And other mamangers did similar things. Skandar Akbar had his stable out in UWF, for example



This got me thinking - what was the first face stable? The Von Erichs in World Class? Granted, I've only been watching since the 80s, but I can't think of one before that - usually the faces liked/respected each other (as did the heels, really), but being in a full-fledged stable was usually reserved for cowardly heels, who needed managers and running buddies to inferere in the matches and beat people down afterwards.

In fact, there haven't been many "face stables" at all - and nearly all of those started out as heels and turned face. I can think of: DX, the Horsemen in WCW, The Wolfpac/nWo Red Faction, The "FU-New Blood" or whatever they were called, umm... none of the Survivor Series teams in the late 80s/early 90s WWF was ever really a stable, uh, were DOA faces at some point? Seriously, I've got nuthin' Anyone with a better memory or more exhaustive answer?



not into the whole brevity thing, man
InVerse
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Since: 26.8.02

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#38 Posted on

    Originally posted by El Duderino
    In fact, there haven't been many "face stables" at all - and nearly all of those started out as heels and turned face. I can think of: DX, the Horsemen in WCW, The Wolfpac/nWo Red Faction, The "FU-New Blood" or whatever they were called, umm... none of the Survivor Series teams in the late 80s/early 90s WWF was ever really a stable, uh, were DOA faces at some point? Seriously, I've got nuthin' Anyone with a better memory or more exhaustive answer?


There was the Union which briefly feuded with The Corporation. There was the Dudes with Attitudes of Sting, Orndorff and JYD (if I remember correctly) and The Oddities were a face stable when they were with Sable and.. um.. the Job Squad. Ok, I give up.
drjayphd
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Since: 22.4.02
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#39 Posted on

    Originally posted by InVerse
    ...and The Oddities were a face stable when they were with Sable and.. um.. the Job Squad. Ok, I give up.


Kurrgan and... oh hell... Silva? Singh? (Like it matters.)



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oldschoolhero
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Since: 2.1.02
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#40 Posted on
Kurrgan, Golga, Luna, The Giant Silva and towards the end George "The Animal" Steele. Your no.1 contender for worst stable ever right there.




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