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According to Bob Novak's columns in the 6/7/03 and the 6/9/03 www.nypost.com it is becoming increasingly likely that Mr. Charisma Gray Davis will be facing a recall election this fall. This brings forth a few interesting scenarios/questions:

Since Davis is down to 21% approval (recent private labor union poll), its more than likely that if the recall petitioners get enough signatures, he'll be gone in the election. However, although this means the former lock for the 2004 Democratic Presidential Nominee will be booted out of office, it might benefit the Democratic Party in the long term. Put a popular Democrat in office, and California is out of play in the Presidential Election. Leave Gray and his bungling in charge, and Bush can grab California and its a Republican romp (do the math, if Bush gets either New York or California, its over).
Now, a few questions: Since the vote for the new governor is on the same ballot as the vote to oust Gray, what does that do to the people who vote to keep Gray? Would the people who vote to keep Gray in office still be able to vote for someone else? And what if the vote to keep Gray in office is higher than the vote for whoever comes out of what could be a 12 way race to replace him?


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What I have heard is that even if someone votes to keep Gray-out in office, they can still vote for Governor. As long as a majority vote to kick him out, he's finished. Even if the indiviudal receiving the most votes in the race for governor gets 10-12% of the vote(which is extremely likely since probably 15-20 people will run, including Rep. Darrell Issa, Lt. Gov Cruz Bustamante, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Rob Reiner.



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Since: 8.1.02
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Anyone know Arnold's stance on abortion?

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He's a moderate pro-choicer...



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I am kind of hoping McClintock throws his hat in the ring. He is really the only guy out there that is talking any sense about fixing the budget at the moment.

Arnold HAS mentioned that he is considering running on the recall ballot...

Just out of curiosity, what does a person's stance on abortion have anything to do with a state governor's race?

Besides, it is not like Arnold could ever become President, and it is highly doubtful he will ever become a Justice, so there is no instance EVER where his stance on abortion could possibly come into play....





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Doesn't to me(hell, I'm basically a pro-choicer most of the time). The problem is, and I find this in our local party, is that even in something as pedestrian as a county council race if they are not 100% pro-life they're not particulary interested in helping out.



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Since: 20.10.02
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Although I am not even remotely a fan of Gray Davis, I can't say I'm too pleased with the idea of a recall election in this case - recalls are supposed to be used when the governor is actively flaunting the law. Simple incompetence really doesn't merit a recall, even on such a level as Davis' - that's what those nifty things like "the next election" are for - and frankly from a strategic standpoint it's probably better for the Repubs if they let him stay and weaken a key Dem state in 2004 rather than take it over themselves and take the flak for running a state whose government is an utter shambles - remember that the primary reason Gray Davis got the job in the first place is because the elctorate was so disgusted with Pete Wilson's performance as governor before him.

Really, the moral of the story should be "if somebody offers you the governorship of California, don't take it".
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"Besides, it is not like Arnold could ever become President, and it is highly doubtful he will ever become a Justice, so there is no instance EVER where his stance on abortion could possibly come into play"

Are you implying that Bush's stance on abortion had nothing to do with his ruling on embryonic stem cell research?

Even at the governorship level, there are times when it matters. There are other branches of government that deal in one way or another with the important issues of today beside the judicial, you know.

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    Originally posted by godking
    Although I am not even remotely a fan of Gray Davis, I can't say I'm too pleased with the idea of a recall election in this case...
Well, then you definitely shouldn't sign a petition!

Oh, wait...you don't even live in California! Oh well.

A lot of Californians feel that Davis covered up the budget problems until after the election and are really angry. I'm not sure I buy that, myself, but I can certainly understand the sentiment.

I said a few months ago on this very board that there wasn't a snowball's chance in hell that they wouldn't get the numbers to put it on the ballot, and it looks like I'm going to have to turn those words into waffle and eat them...I should have known SOMEBODY would be kooky enough to throw their money behind this movement.

If it DOES happen, it will be really interesting to see who tries to take advantage of a system where you don't have to have a party affiliation OR survive a primary in order to get on the ballot. This could be the only shot for a few folks...even worse (better), someone could slide under the radar with eight or ten percent and take it all.

I wonder how they'd handle debates...or would they bother? It'd be a shame for somebody to get elected the state knows close to nothing about - at the same time, that that's even POSSIBLE shows further just how poorly Davis is perceived.



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If a Republican runs and wins, he'll just be stuck with a legislature that refuses to pass anything resembling Republican legislation. I will vote to recall him though, for a few reasons: 1) He lied about the deficit. He said it was 20 billion during the campaign, and a week after he was in office, he said it was 35 billion. 2) He has done absolutely nothing to change the budget, and we plunge further into debt every day. I think some of these proposed tax hikes are going to kill the state, and someone needs to put a stop to the madness.

Arnold, in my opinion, isn't really a fiscal conservative anyways. He was the one behind the child day-care initiative that passed back in November. California needs a governor that is willing to look at the huge government growth here in California and take a hatchet to it. If Libertarians ever had a real chance of winning something important, this is it. With all of the votes split up, they could have a real shot. The California LP *was* the group that started this whole movement in the first place..
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Besides, it is not like Arnold could ever become President, and it is highly doubtful he will ever become a Justice, so there is no instance EVER where his stance on abortion could possibly come into play....


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    Originally posted by Michrome
    If Libertarians ever had a real chance of winning something important, this is it. With all of the votes split up, they could have a real shot.

If they united behind one candidate, then they certainly do have a shot. The problem Liberatarians tend to have is the complete inability to united behind one candidate when it really matters, plus a general sense of always turning into a smaller version of politics as usual(see the Harry Brown/Neil Smith/Jacob Hornberger fiasco for their '00 Presidential nomination).



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We need Instant Runoff Voting desperately if we ever want something besides politcs as usual.
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