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Since: 20.10.02
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#1 Posted on
How does this differ from the idea behind the Fourth of July?
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Nodody found the idea of a "Loyalty Day" just a little creepy? You can't name it "America Day" or something? "Freedom Day" maybe?



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Not his idea. As you can see it is per Public Law 85-529, which was signed into law on July 17, 1958. Since Loyalty Day is May 1, and this was during the Cold War, it was probably just a big up yours to the commies.

EDIT: Incidentally, the Democrats held Congress at the time.

(edited by Grimis on 2.5.03 1332)


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#4 Posted on
Loyalty day?

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Creepy......
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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by godking
    How does this differ from the idea behind the Fourth of July?


A couple things I can think of right off the top of my head:

1. You get off work July 4, but not May 1. Unless you are in the union. Then you can add loyalty day to other days off during the spring and summer, such as "Battle of Bennington day" (damn unions...)

2. I think it's to separate the celebration of our ideals from the celebration of our birth as a country. I've always just seen July 4 as a Celebration of the anniversary of our freedom and kicking the king of england off our front lawns, and I think it should stay that way. If they want to add something new, I don't mind. Just don't change July 4.




And though I am loathe to admit it, I agree with Moe. "Loyalty Day" sounds like something the communists would use. It is a little creepy.


    Originally posted by George W. Bush
    IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this thirtieth day of April, in the year of our Lord two thousand three, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and twenty-seventh.


I don't think I've ever seen that written like that before. I've seen and heard the reference to "year of our Lord" but never "of the Independence of the United States of America". That might be one of the coolest things I've ever seen. U S A!! U S A!!



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
Not his idea. As you can see it is per Public Law 85-529, which was signed into law on July 17, 1958. Since Loyalty Day is May 1, and this was during the Cold War, it was probably just a big up yours to the commies.

EDIT: Incidentally, the Democrats held Congress at the time.


Gee, don't get so defensive. I never mentioned Jr. And the Greens could have held congress, it's still creepy.

You get off work July 4, but not May 1. Unless you are in the union.

I'm in a union, and I don't get May 1st off. We can, however, choose to celebrate Lincoln's birthday on any day we want, so I guess theoretically we could take May 1st off because we're in a union.



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Do you just start threads in here to troll? Come on, you can tell me.



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#8 Posted on
Do you just start threads in here to troll? Come on, you can tell me.

Nah. (Well, maybe the Rumsfeld one a bit, but I thought that was just funny.)

I mean, dude - doesn't "Loyalty Day" creep you out? Seriously. It's not like I'm making this stuff up.
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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by godking
    Do you just start threads in here to troll? Come on, you can tell me.

    Nah. (Well, maybe the Rumsfeld one a bit, but I thought that was just funny.)

    I mean, dude - doesn't "Loyalty Day" creep you out? Seriously. It's not like I'm making this stuff up.

I'm with Grimis - it's an anti-Commie relic. There ain't no way Bush is going to be the president that kills this "tradition." Placed in context, I don't find any creep factor at all.

Seeing you just drag over the link without comment, however - given that you've done this a couple times in here now - DOES raise a flag with me, though.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by CRZ

      Originally posted by godking
      Do you just start threads in here to troll? Come on, you can tell me.

      Nah. (Well, maybe the Rumsfeld one a bit, but I thought that was just funny.)

      I mean, dude - doesn't "Loyalty Day" creep you out? Seriously. It's not like I'm making this stuff up.

    I'm with Grimis - it's an anti-Commie relic. There ain't no way Bush is going to be the president that kills this "tradition." Placed in context, I don't find any creep factor at all.


Right, because Loyalty Day is such a well-esconced tradition in this country. Happy Loyalty Day, everyone! Did you remember to phone in a suspected terrorist for Loyalty Day? Did you really pledge hard during the Pledge of Allegiance? I mean, really pledge the fuck out of it?

I call it digging up a handy Cold War artifact that no one remembers. Happy Loyalty Day. Glad it's still around.



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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Did you remember to phone in a suspected terrorist for Loyalty Day?


I have to admit, I have been dying to post this here to see what people thought, but it never ssemed relevant. But its something that I produced that I am pretty proud of, and indirectly deals with the thread...

wotp.mp3 (1.1 MB)



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by asteroidboy

    I call it digging up a handy Cold War artifact that no one remembers. Happy Loyalty Day. Glad it's still around.



I would not call it digging up a handy Cold War artifact. Clinton did the proclamation Click Here (clinton6.nara.gov)

So did Reagan Click Here (reagan.utexas.edu)

So it is not like Bush just started the thing up again after 10 years (if he did I would have a problem with it)

(edited by calvinh0560 on 7.5.03 1947)
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#13 Posted on
If anybody did any digging, it was godking. Honestly, has anybody even heard of this outside of this post? If not, why is this a big deal? How can it be creepy if no one even knows about it?

The whole event was that the President signed a piece of paper, one of many he signs everyday. It's just one of many "something days" that are proclaimed every year. Probably every day is a "day" of some sort.
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The fact that we are doing this sort of thing is indeed old news and has been going on for some time around the world. My favorite definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different result.
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