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Since: 26.6.02
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#1 Posted on
Being over here and all, I don't get to see NWA:TNA, so I had not seen this before. It's taken from Kazarian vs Styles on last weeks show.



That's insane, and apparently not a fuck up.



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Since: 22.10.02
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#2 Posted on
Holy crap that looked like his neck should've been snaped in half!

Still i have seen TNA before and that was either a new death defying move or Kazarian stuffed up the Styles Clash.

If that was supposed to be the Styles Clash then Kazarian should've landed on his stomach like he'd taken a pedigree, not tucked his head to his chest, although AJ wasn't holding him too far off the ground so that could explain Kazarian tucking his head in.

Then again if it was the Styles clash i think AJ would've gone right over onto his stomach during the move so it could've been anything and i might be completely wrong.

....but DAMN, it looks like a match winning move if i ever saw one





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#3 Posted on
Yeesh. And I thought RVD was tempting fate by his fondness for taking bumps on the back of his neck....



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
It WAS a fuck up. I'm not sure who claimed otherwise, but that is NOT how the Styles Clash is done.

I was watching the show and as soon as it happened Tenay sounded worried temporarily. Nobody would do that on purpose.

Kazarian has nobody to blame but himself for that one.



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Since: 8.5.03
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#5 Posted on
Speaking of head-crunching moves, I'm a bit surprised that Matt Hardy can still walk after the Rikishi Driver a few weeks ago.




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Since: 26.3.03
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#6 Posted on
If you look closely at the clip, you can almost tell that Kazarian could sense that AJ didn't give him enough room to get into the proper position, so he just took it like that and prayed. If he had tried to get his head back to take it properly, there was a strong chance he would have gone down straight on his head, similar to Austin/Owen.

Hard to tell, but I'd put the blame for this one on AJ.

(edited by SchippeWreck on 9.7.03 0849)

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Since: 2.1.02
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Yeah, A-MOL, that clearly looks not botched...

That bump reminds me of Cham Pain's Pedigree bump from the American Blueblood Hunter Hearst Helmsley days.

Jesus FUCK MY NECK Christ.




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So the Styles Clash is (normally) supposed to be Styles holding the guy in a piledriver position, and then just falling forward?



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Since: 26.3.03
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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by Big Bad
    So the Styles Clash is (normally) supposed to be Styles holding the guy in a piledriver position, and then just falling forward?


yes. It's like a slam move. What Styles does on occassion and what Crash did when he was using the move ("Crash Landing") was from laying flat down, he'd role over into a pin.

Anyway, yeah, that looked pretty sick. I know Frankie went to a doctor back in LA last Thursday, I think according to his site. No official word from Frankie yet about the diagnosis but he's scheduled to be on tonight's show.





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Since: 20.6.02
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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by cfgb
    It WAS a fuck up. I'm not sure who claimed otherwise, but that is NOT how the Styles Clash is done.

    I was watching the show and as soon as it happened Tenay sounded worried temporarily. Nobody would do that on purpose.

    Kazarian has nobody to blame but himself for that one.



I also put the blame on Kazarian. Styles has pulled that move off countless times without flaw. If this is how Kazarian continues to work, his shelf life for this business won't be a long one. Neck surgery seems inevitable.

You know, as much as we bash WWE, there are REASONS they're banning moves like the Vertebreaker.




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#11 Posted on
I believe that the move was blown because of Kazarian. There have been plenty of times where AJ has done the Clash to someone who's head was already too low and it never ended up anything close to that. Kazarian should have ducked his head.

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#12 Posted on

    Originally posted by It's False
    I also put the blame on Kazarian. Styles has pulled that move off countless times without flaw. If this is how Kazarian continues to work, his shelf life for this business won't be a long one. Neck surgery seems inevitable.


You make it sound like Kazarian makes a habit of intentionally taking such sickening bumps. I'm not seeing how it could possibly be his fault, though. I've never seen a properly executed Styles Clash, but Kazarian's head was only a couple of inches off the ground. What was he supposed to do, retract his head into his shoulders like a turtle? Maybe he could have got his head titled back once Styles was up in the air, but when I first say it, I thought Styles was going down vertically, not horizontally. Had that been the case, it would have been a lot worse for Kazarian to have had his head back instead of tucked.

Perhaps we should just chalk it up to miscommunication. I doubt Styles would do it on purpose and Kazarian obviously wouldn't (unless TNA has better insurance than any company I've ever seen before.) Let's just be glad that Kazarian can still walk and avoid putting him and Lesnar into a match at all costs.



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Since: 26.3.03
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#13 Posted on
Upon further review of the clip, I am retracting my statement that I believe AJ is at fault for the botched move.

Kazarian had plenty of opportunity to get his head back after the rana was blocked, but he kept tucking it into his chest.

AJ didn't hop very high, but maybe he saw that Kazarian was having trouble getting into position and didn't want to land on him too hard.

However, the Styles Clash is an intricate maneuver to set up. Having it be a counter to a rana is a REALLY dumb idea.

(edited by SchippeWreck on 9.7.03 1335)


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InVerse, Styles always lays out horizontally. I'm sure that Kazarian has seen Styles perform the move plenty of times in the past few years, so I don't see how there could possibly be any miscommunication problems.

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#15 Posted on
Okay, I retract my original statement. It's obvious to me that the Styles Clash is just AJ Styles' attempt to one up the pedigree. So I blame HHH.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21
Holy shit Batman...did that dude get up after??

Jeebus......that was horrible.







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#17 Posted on
Isn't Kazarian the dude who leapt completely over the top rope going for a springboard something-or-other in his debut match?

If that's the same guy, he obviously needs to go back into the oven... he's still a little underdone.



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Since: 26.3.03
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#18 Posted on
Nope, that was Chris Sabin, the current X Champ. (Hey! That's funny...current ex...)



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#19 Posted on
I also have to agree that going into the Styles Clash as a hurricanrana might not be the most 100% safest counter especially if your opponent is bigger than you. I haven't seen too many clips of Styles giving bigger guys the move but normally, I know the opponents legs are normally over Styles' shoulder. In this case, Kazarian's legs are abit off to the sides. Plus just look how huge his legs are and how small Styles' arms are. AJ seemed like he could barely hold Frankie's legs. Also, it didn't seem like there was much room for Frankie to pull his head out without the risk of it being crushed.

I think what Frankie did was safer than risking getting his head smashed into his neck. And Styles took a safety precaution of landing almost in a kneeling position instead of completely falling forward.

I don't think either are at fault. Simply, when you have a risky move like the Styles Clash, these things happen sometimes. I think both Styles and Kazarian know it wasn't pretty and i'm sure Styles will be more careful giving it and Kazarian will be more careful taking it.





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Since: 2.7.02
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#20 Posted on
If the move is normally done with bent knees going over AJ's shoulders, from looking at the clip AJ shouldn't have went on with the move. AJ needs an out move, like the "Sharpshooter" if his opponent is to heavy to pull the move off. Does anyone in TNA use the sharpshooter? Was Kazarian even conscious when the move was tried? It looks like he was knocked out from hitting his head on the mat.
I have seen TNA a few times and Styles seems very competent when pulling off moves, but he shouldn't have gone through with it that time. However, I'd like to see it on a TV, because my whole opinion could change upon seeing it more clearly. I do have to say AJ's bicycle kick move is off the hizzle.



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