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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.48
I was thinking if Hulk Hogan's contributions to the industry still outweigh his negatives (creative control, etc). It has been almost 30 years since the Hulkamania explosion. Just curious what others think.
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JMHO, but I think Hulk Hogan could turn TNA into "Hogan shits in the middle of the ring for two straight hours (he's constipated)" and his contributions to the industry would still outweigh the negatives.

Who knows if Vince McMahon could have replaced Hogan with someone else and received the same explosion. I'm guessing no, and that without Hogan, wrestling today wouldn't be anywhere near where it actually is.
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Good Question. I am going to go with slight good. It realisitically shouldn't even be slight since I do believe without Hogan, we would still be in the territory system. It don't think Vince had anyone at that time that could have pulled off Wrestlemania. Not Savage or Piper or Steamboat or Superfly. Hogan was the right person at the right time at the right place. He made wrestling cool and gave my generation, a hero for our childhood. He also did do the job when to Warrior, let Savage hold the belt for a year and probably did a lot more good than bad in his Hulkamania run.

Going to WCW and turning heel was another good thing. Not in the WWE's eyes, but we have to realize what is good for wrestling is not exclusively good for WWE. WCW got huge quick as soon as he came over and the NWO is probably THE storyline of the 90s next to Austin/McMahon. The NWO doesn't work without Hogan's turn and if the NWO didn't work, I doubt we see Vince allowing people like Foley, Austin and others taking the ball. Yet, his run in WCW ended so badly, its hard not to dismiss it. Whether he had a hand in WCW's failure or not, he didn't, I don't think it diminished him to many fans. You can see it with his return to face Rock and his last great run with WWE. That too, ended baldy with the rather cartoony HBK match, but damn did it help that Shawn went heel and gave us some great moments. It still was pretty bad.

His TNA has been a disaster. The ratings went up and then straight down when he came in and has only leveled out last year to normal or less than normal numbers. He seems to have no idea what TNA can or will be. He has made terrible booking decisions with everyone on this roster. Let his friendship lead to one of TNA's biggest draws leaving for the WWE. He still puts him over the rest of the roster. Yet, with all of this, I doubt we see TNA signing a two year contract without him. As insane as that sounds. He is still one of the few giant names in wrestling and he commends attention. He is doing commercials with Troy Aikman and is recognized worldwide. Yet, he is also an embarrassment at times with his messy divorce, TV filmed family life and sex tape. But, the good still outweighs the bad especially considering how many moments he has given wrestling. To be honest, we are lucky to have him.




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    Originally posted by lotjx
    That too, ended baldy with the rather cartoony HBK match,

I just love this typo




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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.18
    Originally posted by kentish
      Originally posted by lotjx
      That too, ended baldy with the rather cartoony HBK match,

    I just love this typo


Less of a typo and more like making words on the fly.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.43
I gotta go with negative. Vince McMahon would have made it work, Hogan just made it a lot easier. Might've taken a few years longer, but the territories were an antiquated system that just needed someone willing to take them on.

That said, you can't really say anything bad about Hogan until about 92. He was a huge draw and was willing to try and put Warrior over even though he didn't think it was good business.

After that, there's a lot of bad. Wrestlemania 9, winning the WCW title in his debut, basically pissing off every long term WCW fan off with trying to reboot Hulkamania, the Dungeon of Doom, etc.

The heel turn was a great thing, but even that can't be considered completely good since he didn't put over anyone much better than he did before. That was fine when he was a top drawing face, but as a heel, he needed to show ass, which he rarely did. He should have been fired over the Sting Starcade thing and you can't tell me he wasn't trying to pull something there.
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The Good: Hogan helped to bring in a lot of new fans to wrestling by being part of the Rock and Wrestling Era. His dynamic personality upped the ante as far as wrestlers being characters and everyone else since has had a standard to try and live up to. His in ring work was always very one dimensional but he did have the ability to cover that up by exuding charisma making every match he was in seem like it was the most important one ever. His wrestling was mediocre but he was a great performer. He can get a crowd to go apeshit loving him. And by virtue of being in the business for so long, he has genuine knowledge that can, when put on a leash, be valuable. He's still recognizable to the public in general and can still make fans interested in a wrestling product.

The Bad: Short sightedness and self importance always make him think He and his good buddy Bischoff are creating an entertaining product. As bad as Vince McMahon is in sacrificing good wrestling for the sake of story-lines, Hogan is ten times worse by sacrificing entertainment for ego & friendships. Hogan being one of the old school big men, he doesn't see the value of workers who can actually wrestle. And anyone who disagrees with him or doesn't follow his line of creative thinking is thrown under the bus.

Bottom line: He would best be used in a primarily promotional role and possibly as a consultant but he shouldn't have any real creative control.



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Contributions far outweigh the negatives, here's why I think so.

1. 80's and the birth of the Wrestlemania era. Granted, McMahon might have found another huge cartoon character and gone to bigger heights, but there's no real scope of what the timeframe might have beenon that: could you imagine what we'd be watching today if Vince and Co. weren't able to edge out the territories until the 90's?

2. The Steroid Case. Hogan came forward and testified in the early nineties, putting egg on the face of Titan. As such, not only did this set up Bret Hart's and Shawn Micheals's big time with the WWE scrambling to showcase non-freakishly huge wrestlers (and by proxy, both these men led us to Austin going huge), it also set precedent of how doping investigations were handled in general.

3. Dubya Cee Dubya. He helped bring something else the WWE needed at the time, competition. Fans now knew that it was a show, the only real believable angle anymore was that two rival promotions would constantly try to one up each other. Sure, he came in crapping on southern wrestling heritage, but also helped establish the Monday Night Wars and unprecedented PPV revenue. His arrival and subsequent acts were not only what led to Steve Austin being fired, but then the WWE needing to create new stars, like the Rock, and Austin.

Weird, I never noticed that Hogan's bad moves led to Austin...

4. Back in the WWE. Not much bad here.

5. TNA. Here's where it gets wonky for me. People say Hogan has been a detriment to the success TNA could be having due to cronieism, bad booking decisions, etc. I would agree, but if you'll pardon the metaphor, it wasn't like he was handed the keys to a Mercedez and he's bringing you back a Dodge Neon. It was a Neon the whole time, partly due to Jeff Jarrett's bad business sense.

Then, when you look at the other snippets on Hogan; the bad divorce, the sex tape, his son in jail; you know what hits on google if people try to find out more, aside from TMZ? Wrestling websites. Even when it's bad, Hogan keeps the grand spectacle of pro-wrestling a spectacle.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.15
If you watch a Hogan match from the height of Hulkamania in the late 80's, the electricity that Hogan brings with his presence alone is beyond what anyone has ever.

The only other ones that are up on THAT level are Austin and sometimes Rock.

Not to mention he's the greatest face of all time and the greatest heel of all time.

The fact is, yes there are so many that have been better in-ring performers than Hogan. But in terms of bringing impact to what is -at the end of the day- a theatric experience, Hulk Hogan is the best of all time. The best of all time and such a huge part of Wrestling that Pro Wrestling as it exists today without his contributions is unfathomable.




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Clearly I am a total hogan mark, but the positives outweigh the negatives.

When I was a kid, I watched AWA, the Bruiser, the Baron, Verne, Yukon Moose, Tricky Nick and the rest. Then, I was out.

Then, one morning, I saw Superstars and Hogan. Wow. That hooked me. For the next few years, I watched every show. I went to wrestlemania. I went to wrestlemania II (the chicago part).

so, yeah, there's only one reason I care about wrestling today. Hogan. Not that he's not occasionally a jerk. Maybe more than occasionally. But he's still the only reason TNA isn't a ROH level. He's the reason WCW caused the WWF to try and complete again.

yeah, there were other guys - Savage, Hart, Austin, Michaels, Flair, Dusty, Rock. But ask 100 random people anywhere to name one and only one pro wrestler, and I would lay 50-1 odds that the highest number, likely over 50, will be Hogan.

of course, that could change. In 1962, the answer would have been Gorgeous George. Kids today would say Cena. I had a 11 year old tell me today his favorite movie was The Marine. I doubt it's because of the cinematography.

Mine's Suburban Commando. (yeah - no, but you get the concept).



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.92
Let's not forget that without Hogan being a major part of the WWF going mainstream in the 80s and the fallout from that, we wouldn't have a good number of the wrestlers that we have today.

Doesn't Edge like to reference Hogan/Warrior as one of the reasons he decided to be a wrestler? I'm sure there are many more that got into the business either because of Hogan, or because of other guys they saw on tv every week because of the effect he had on wrestling (other wrestlers McMahon brought in from territories to fill out the card that now had a national audience).
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    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    Let's not forget that without Hogan being a major part of the WWF going mainstream in the 80s and the fallout from that, we wouldn't have a good number of the wrestlers that we have today.


Right. I am fairly sure I would have never seen most of those guys - WCW too - I would have never seen Ric Flair or Dusty or Vader or Magnum - because the only reason I started watching GCW and then WCW was because I was already watching WWF again. It's not like I was still checking out Verne on the Bob Luce show in Chicago in the early 80s. I no longer cared. Would Roddy Piper have dominated the US, did movies, that whole deal, if it wasn't for Hogan? Would Savage have been in Spiderman? In fact, if Stallone hadn't picked Higan for Thunderlips would any of it happened? Heck, if it wasn't for Mean Gene would it have happened?



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.31
    Originally posted by AWArulz


    so, yeah, there's only one reason I care about wrestling today. Hogan. Not that he's not occasionally a jerk. Maybe more than occasionally. But he's still the only reason TNA isn't a ROH level. He's the reason WCW caused the WWF to try and complete again.


Um gotta disagree. The are in no different position then they were in before he came in and are likely in worse shape with him in the promotion. He did a lot for WWE, WCW, and the AWA but nothing for TNA.
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Throwing out philosophical issues like steroids in wrestling or how worse off wrestlers are for not having a second major national company, because they're too broad in scope to lay directly at his feet, I would distill this simply.

WWF first run - can't object to a single thing he did until 1991. then he exploited the war and wouldn't lose to Bret Hart at the end, but he still made Yokozuna so it's not like he left them in the lurch. net huge positive.

WCW - built it then broke it, so a displacement of zero. I think if Hogan and Eric had been left to their own devices, they would've eventually let WCW slide until it was just a low-rent vanity project the level of TNA, but they wouldn't have let it die.

WWE second run - because of his love-hate relationship with Vince, was in and out and never got to dig his claws in politically or do any damage. did a surprising number of jobs that he was never able to finagle his wins back for. had two huge moneymaking matches with Rock and Michaels, fun matches with Vince, Angle, and Jericho, helped Lesnar and Edge. net positive.

TNA - took nothing to new, if stupider, heights of nothing. net zero.

final tally - positive
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Throwing out philosophical issues like steroids in wrestling or how worse off wrestlers are for not having a second major national company, because they're too broad in scope to lay directly at his feet, I would distill this simply.

    WWF first run - can't object to a single thing he did until 1991. then he exploited the war and wouldn't lose to Bret Hart at the end, but he still made Yokozuna so it's not like he left them in the lurch. net huge positive.

    WCW - built it then broke it, so a displacement of zero. I think if Hogan and Eric had been left to their own devices, they would've eventually let WCW slide until it was just a low-rent vanity project the level of TNA, but they wouldn't have let it die.

    WWE second run - because of his love-hate relationship with Vince, was in and out and never got to dig his claws in politically or do any damage. did a surprising number of jobs that he was never able to finagle his wins back for. had two huge moneymaking matches with Rock and Michaels, fun matches with Vince, Angle, and Jericho, helped Lesnar and Edge. net positive.

    TNA - took nothing to new, if stupider, heights of nothing. net zero.

    final tally - positive


I have to disagree on TNA. I think he did take it to stupider heights and very low lows. We had an NWO reunion on his first night. They fired one of their massive draws with Kong due to his friendship with some low rent DJ. They gave up on the Monday Night Wars barely a month in. They made AJ styles Ric Flair 2.0. They made Immortal, a group no one knew who was in it as their major feature product. 10-10-10 turned out to be a joke. They squandered great chances with the Pope, Anderson and to some degree Roode and last night Storm. They have a guy as their KO tag champ and have made the X-Division, the foundation of this company, meaningless.

I know people will say TNA was always bad, but no it really wasn't. Their highest ratings where during MEM before Hogan's flash in the pan return. They elevated guys like AJ, Joe and others to new heights. Christian got a better run as a champion in TNA than he did in WWE. Kurt was a coup for them even if no one in WWE wants to admit it. What has been their last coup signing? Mickie James and Gail in a rather blah women's division that used to have Cheerleader Meliss and Kong in it as well Roxxie and Daffney. He has done more harm than good in TNA. They easily could have survived without Hogan, kept doing what they were doing and probably getting better ratings than .90 for one of their big PPV matches. I also doubt they would have fucked around with Beer Money as much as they have had, too. So, its a negative.

Yes, he has been a positive for wrestling, no question. Yet, when it comes to TNA, he is a loser.

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Throwing out philosophical issues like steroids in wrestling or how worse off wrestlers are for not having a second major national company, because they're too broad in scope to lay directly at his feet, I would distill this simply.

    WWF first run - can't object to a single thing he did until 1991. then he exploited the war and wouldn't lose to Bret Hart at the end, but he still made Yokozuna so it's not like he left them in the lurch. net huge positive.

    WCW - built it then broke it, so a displacement of zero. I think if Hogan and Eric had been left to their own devices, they would've eventually let WCW slide until it was just a low-rent vanity project the level of TNA, but they wouldn't have let it die.

    WWE second run - because of his love-hate relationship with Vince, was in and out and never got to dig his claws in politically or do any damage. did a surprising number of jobs that he was never able to finagle his wins back for. had two huge moneymaking matches with Rock and Michaels, fun matches with Vince, Angle, and Jericho, helped Lesnar and Edge. net positive.

    TNA - took nothing to new, if stupider, heights of nothing. net zero.

    final tally - positive
Totally agreed here. Definitely positive overall, but I can't not break Hogan's career up into different sections. Mainly, those where Hogan had free reign to do what he wanted, and those where he had to answer to Vince.

When Hogan basically had the power to run the show, I think it's zero-sum. He should get a lot of credit for WCW's success in the mid-90s, but for whatever he brought to the table, he also took back. And he brought a LOT to the table, which also means he did a LOT of damage.

His last run with WWE was great, though, and I think he did a lot to help his legacy by doing high profile jobs to Angle, Lesnar, and Rock. Did the right thing on the way out.

I think he's had an overall negative impact on TNA, but even if he kills the company, it's hard for me to attribute all of its faults onto Hogan. TNA has a history of hiring the wrong people for the wrong jobs up top.
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