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Has anyone in the WWF ever been booked into a match for the fed title without a single pinfall in their current run and came away with the gold before? Doesn't this make Hogan the weakest champ -ever-? Doesn't this destroy the credibility of the fed title? What does this say about Hunter's credibility now? Is the entire WWF now officially a joke because, in essence, Hogan's current run is as believable as David Arquette's WCW title run?

(edited by Kokolums on 27.4.02 0811)
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He beat The Rock in a Tag Team Match on the Raw right before Wrestlemania X8 if it makes you feel any better...

Edit: I do not condone the actions of the WWF in giving Hogan the WWF Title. I'm just saying, that's all.

(edited by El Pescado on 27.4.02 0831)
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#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by Kokolums
    Is the entire WWF now officially a joke because, in essence, Hogan's current run is as believable as David Arquette's WCW title run?




Yes. Although I don't remember Arquette geting the "huge" reaction that Hogan's been getting....well, the reaction he was getting last week. Ahhhhh......I don't know. It's all too mindboggling and absolutely frustrating.

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Hogan did pin the Rock, and pinned him *cleanly*. Also, as far as I read the storyline McMahon didn't think Hogan could do it and was giving his ok to the match in order to try and destroy Hulkamania. From that perspective it makes a bit more sense.

As far as Hogan being a weak champ, he *is* defending the title next week.

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#5 Posted on

And here I just thought this thread was going to be about his punches/clotheslines/entire offense.



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#6 Posted on
Let's not forget that Vince McMahon is a former WWF champion.



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That's a good point Big Bad. And in terms of weak champions, I have to point to Kurt Angle's first reign. Yes, he the IC title and Euro title leading up to it and yes, he's an amazing wrestler, but in terms of booking, I think he looked liked a far weaker champion than Hogan does.
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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by timdrake
    That's a good point Big Bad. And in terms of weak champions, I have to point to Kurt Angle's first reign. Yes, he the IC title and Euro title leading up to it and yes, he's an amazing wrestler, but in terms of booking, I think he looked liked a far weaker champion than Hogan does.


I'm fascinated that, when people point out weak title reigns, they go to Angle's first title reign, and completely ignore that two-week abortion/abomination that was his second WWF Title reign. Let's see what happened during those two weeks:
+ A WWF Tag Team Title Match with Rock against the Dudley Boys, which ends in a no contest and Angle being 3D'd through a table
+ Losing a non-title match to Rob Van Dam after Shane McMahon runs in and hits Angle with a chair
+ Defeated Booker T (who was already being buried after losing the WCW Title to the Rock a month earlier) in a WWF Title Match (roughly the start of the second hour)
+ Defeated Shane McMahon by submission in a WWF Title Match
+ Pinned by Steve Austin to lose the WWF Title

Any other suggestions for a weak WWF Title Reign?



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22

    Originally posted by Kokolums
    Has anyone in the WWF ever been booked into a match for the fed title without a single pinfall in their current run and came away with the gold before? Doesn't this make Hogan the weakest champ -ever-? Doesn't this destroy the credibility of the fed title? What does this say about Hunter's credibility now? Is the entire WWF now officially a joke because, in essence, Hogan's current run is as believable as David Arquette's WCW title run?

    (edited by Kokolums on 27.4.02 0811)



They decided to put the belt on Hogan while he was still insanely popular - and, since I'm sure he demanded one more Title run, I can't really blame the WWF for it. Yes, they could have spent time building up Hogan, which would leave everyone asking, "Why is (my favorite wrestler) being fed to Hogan to make him look good?" Then, by the time Hogan did win the belt, his nostalgia heat would have been long gone, and everyone (marks & smarks included) would be complaining about how the WWF put the Title on this old man with no heat.

This is not comparable to the Arquette WCW Title run, as Arquette never was a wrestler prior to his Title run - he was a full-time actor (of debatable quality). Hogan, like him or (obviously) hate him, was a past WWF & WCW Champion; the bad acting was a sidelight for him.

In short, if they had to give Hogan the title, this was the best time for them to do so - while the fans still liked him. Think of it as one of those corporate "write-offs".

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
I find it hard to believe that anyone named "Hulk Hogan" can be referred to as a weak champion, but that's just me.



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I've got to concur here.. unlike David Arquette, who was a weak champion, its hard to find someone who has had more history in the WWF, in pro wrestling in america, or in pro wrestling in general than Hogan. He could have come back and won the title in his first match and not been a 'weak champion' by any stretch of the imagination.. and as much as I hate to say it, the belt does somehow look right around his waist.. damn my programing as a child :P
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I could definitely see an argument for weak booking on giving him the title so soon, though.

And I think that's the point that's trying to be made. The booking leading up to his win was a little on the weak side. And beating someone after only a one month reign doesn't hold a whole lot of prestige.

But still...it IS Hulk Hogan. Him as champion is to be expected.



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#13 Posted on
It looks like in terms of their match record going into their reign, the weakest WWF champs would be:

1. Vince McMahon (good call)
2. Hulk Hogan 2.0

A lot of good points made but I wasn't looking into what they did -after- their reign started because then you have to factor in guys like Yokozuna and Andre the Giant and saying Andre reigned weakly makes no sense. These two reigns are on a level with David Arquette from this perspective.
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Actually, Vince beat Shane in a singles match a few months before he won the WWF title. Vince also won the Royal Rumble earlier that year, and beat Steve Austin in a ladder match at King of the Ring.



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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by Kokolums
    Has anyone in the WWF ever been booked into a match for the fed title without a single pinfall in their current run and came away with the gold before?


As it was almost twenty years ago, please forgive me if my memory if failing me, but when Hulk Hogan won the WWF title in 1984 against the Iron Sheik, I believe it was his first WWF match after leaving the AWA. If that is accurate, and my memory is correct, then the answer to your question is yes, it has happened before.



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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by RageRockrr
    first title reign, and completely ignore that two-week abortion/abomination that was his second WWF Title reign. Let's see what happened during those two weeks:
    + A WWF Tag Team Title Match with Rock against the Dudley Boys, which ends in a no contest and Angle being 3D'd through a table
    + Losing a non-title match to Rob Van Dam after Shane McMahon runs in and hits Angle with a chair
    + Defeated Booker T (who was already being buried after losing the WCW Title to the Rock a month earlier) in a WWF Title Match (roughly the start of the second hour)
    + Defeated Shane McMahon by submission in a WWF Title Match
    + Pinned by Steve Austin to lose the WWF Title

    Any other suggestions for a weak WWF Title Reign?



How about the Rock?
Wins the title by fake submission

Loses to Mankind but keeps the belt because he passed out instead of submitting. not the main event

Loses the title to Mankind

Wins title back with another fake submission. not the main event

Loses the title to Mankind again

Draws with Mankind. not the main event

Wins title in ladder match after blatent interference by the Big Show

Loses title to Austin

I don't know if he got any pins in between the big matches and it wasn't one reign but that is a pretty awful run at the top.
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#17 Posted on
I'm certainly no fan of Hogan, but I've never really considered wins and losses that important in the WWF as far as title contention. After all, the WWF is the home of the "challenger loses title match on PPV, but wins it the next night on RAW" phenomenon. Also, "number one contender" matches that end up being a series of matches.
Hogan getting a shot so soon I can live with due to the willing suspension of disbelief that you have to have in order to appreciate wrestling. Unfortunately, the idea of Hogan as a credible champion is more disbelief than I can willingly suspend.

For me the weak champs would be people who only held it one night or maybe a few days. Kane and Sycho Sid come to mind.
Hogan's reign before this one was very weak in that respect, if I remember right.



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#18 Posted on
Hogan has won thw World title on THREE seperate occasions hen he hasn't won a single one-on-one match. He beat the Iron Sheik in his first match back in the WWF, he beat Yokozuna at Wrestlemania IX after winning a tag-title match by disqualification, and he beat HHH at Backlash. Hogan's fifth title reign (pinned Yokozuna at Wrestlemania IX) has got to go down in history is the most ill-concieved world title reign of all time. Hogan never defended that title from Wrestlemania all the way to King of the Ring, where he got squashed by Yokozuna. THAT, not Vince McMahon (who wasn't booked as a credible threat to HHH, anyway), not Hulk Hogan 2k2, not Kurt Angle's first reign, not even some of Mick Foley's cups of tea with the belt are worse then the unexplainable Hogan push of 1993.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
And yet...

The "Play Of The Week" on Sunday night's George Michaels Sports Machine (a syndicated sports recap show) was Hogan regaining the WWF Title.

He's popular *and* mainstream, folks.

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#20 Posted on
Ok, so how does this work?
Its my first post folks, and what better topic than everyones *favourite* goblin.
At the end of day its all about money, Vince says "oh look its Hogan than man that made my fortune" he smells the buyrate. Oh gawd yeah.
Who are we to care? We still get Eddie/RVD, Edge/Angle, Kidamn/Tajiri, Jericho doing anything AND we get to go home early, which is handy coz those ppv's is on late over here and I have to get up in the mornings



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