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Since: 11.7.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
Well this is quite an unexpected development:

Hitchens to end column at The Nation
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Since: 3.1.02
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#2 Posted on
In the linked article, Hitchens wrote:


    In the past few weeks, though, I have come to realize that the magazine itself takes a side in this argument, and is becoming the voice and the echo chamber of those who truly believe that John Ashcroft is a greater menace than Osama bin Laden."


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Title really through me, I thought they were finally going to deport him. How scary it is that a publication is to liberal for Hitchens.



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You see, all you people who feel obliged to paint everyone as either a Liberal or as a Conservative really should open your eyes.

Hitchens is very liberal on many issues, but on others he can be described as conservative, even republican. It's the mark of what used to be called a Freethinker. I don't agree with everything he writes, but everything he writes I read with respect. He's not following the agenda of a political party or ideology ... he is creating his own agenda.

I think we need more Freethinkers nowadays.






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Since: 11.7.02
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Wrote a great book too, "No One Left to Lie To", reminding us all why Clinton was a piece of shit...
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Since: 28.4.02
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#6 Posted on

    Originally posted by Gavintzu
    I think we need more Freethinkers nowadays.





On that point, I couldn't agree more. I don't trust anybody - especially in the media, who ALWAYS tows the party line, no matter what. If you never disagree with the Republicans (or the Democrats), you're just another talking head who can't think for themselves.

And, on that note, when in the hell is one of the cable channels going to pick up Bill Maher?!



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For the record, it's possible to think freely and still wind up agreeing with a large number of people who freely think the same way you do. (Most of the time, anyway).



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Since: 6.1.02
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And, on that note, when in the hell is one of the cable channels going to pick up Bill Maher

I'd watch that, but only if promised that Maher would only spend every OTHER show in a monologue about legalizing pot.



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Since: 8.1.02
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Maher use to be on cable, Comedy Central, I believe. Which is where he belongs, as far as I'm concerned. I'm tired of people making hip claims about being "politically incorrect" and then end up being some of the most vehemently P.C. people on the planet. At least Hitchens makes no such ridiculous claims as far as I know.

While we're at it, MSNBC needs to stop with the "fiercly independent" crap they are now talking about. After dropping Alan Keyes and picking up Phil Donahue, I'm not sure how ideologically independent and varied they now are compared to how they use to be. Especially when I see more and more how Chris Matthews, who I use to believe was very middle of the road and even slanted to the right, is actually very liberal.

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While we were (not) on the subject of Hitchens -- there is a new documentary, courtesy of the BBC, based on Hitchen's book The Trial of Henry Kissinger. Apparently, ol' Henry is technically and morally a war criminal for his involvement in Vietnam, Indonesia, Chile and other CIA hotspots, and should be put on trial next to Milesovic at the Hague. Ha, the audacity of the argument alone is worth a million style points ... Hitchens rules.

But according to the Onion's review (which I linked to above), the movie isn't as good as the book. But when is it ever? Especially movies based on books of political philosophy ... they never turn out quite right.




(edited by Gavintzu on 28.9.02 1415)


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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by DMC
    Maher use to be on cable, Comedy Central, I believe. Which is where he belongs, as far as I'm concerned. I'm tired of people making hip claims about being "politically incorrect" and then end up being some of the most vehemently P.C. people on the planet. At least Hitchens makes no such ridiculous claims as far as I know.

    While we're at it, MSNBC needs to stop with the "fiercly independent" crap they are now talking about. After dropping Alan Keyes and picking up Phil Donahue, I'm not sure how ideologically independent and varied they now are compared to how they use to be. Especially when I see more and more how Chris Matthews, who I use to believe was very middle of the road and even slanted to the right, is actually very liberal.

    DMC



When precisely was Bill Maher vehemently P.C,? Was it before or after his show was taken off the air for criticizing the US military last September?

Of course, you also think Chris Matthews is a liberal, which, under that scale, would make Rush Limbaugh a moderate and Ann Coulter slightly conservative-leaning.



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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Of course, you also think Chris Matthews is a liberal,


Yeah, it's not like he worked for a Democratic congressman or anything...oh, wait a minute.
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Since: 6.1.02
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#13 Posted on
Matthews also worked in the Carter administration, and for Tip O'Neal. He was certainly a Democrat. Of course, so were Phil Gramm, Strom Thurmond, and Ronald Reagan.

I haven't watched his show that much or read any of his books, so I can't really say what's he's like now, but there are plenty of people who have changed their ideology over time. Who he worked for in the past is no guarentee of what his ideas are now.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by MoeGates
    he worked for in the past is no guarentee of what his ideas are now.


And that I do agree with...
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Here's a Hitchens piece even I could get behind. Hitchens on Clinton, more or less.



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Since: 8.1.02
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#16 Posted on
Good article:


"One hopes he was not influenced by Miss Monica Lewinsky appearing before a grand jury that week. One also shudders to recall the speech he gave in defence of the attack was taken from a speech by Michael Douglas in bad movie The American President. It is the nearest America has come to a "wag the dog" moment, and the most cowboyish piece of presidential thuggery."

DMC



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