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The W - Pro Wrestling - HHH trying to kill RVD???
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#1 Posted on
Did anyone else notice that when RVD made the flying cross body block on HHH last night. Usually the guy on the floor will catch the other guy and try to protect him. HHH totally sidestepped it and looked like he forced RVD down to the floor harder than he would have landed. Any thoughts?
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#2 Posted on
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Yeah, here's one, Triple H was running down a ramp and RVD was supposed to jump onto him. It's a dumb spot. Period. It's harder to hit a running target than it is one that's not in motion. I chalk it up to simple physics. Point A (RVD) and his jump velocity allowed him to hit point B (Triple H) but he overjumped a bit. I doubt Triple H wants to hurt anybody, as his old "I've never hurt anyone in the ring" record was quite high, for awhile there. So he used to mention occasionally.

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#3 Posted on
Yes, I noticed that as well.

Also, how bad must HHH's knees be that he is trying to get away from the pedigree as a finisher and go to the sleeper?

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#4 Posted on
I think that they are just attempting to get more submissions over lately. Granted, I would prefer it to be something a bit more unique and fresher than a sleeper hold. He did Pedigree RVD earlier in the show, and it looked as though he got a bit of height on the jump as well.

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#5 Posted on
I noticed that RVD completely missed it, but I don't think you can blame that on HHH. He was running down the ramp, so that could make his responses a little off.

Ditto on the sleeper. At least tweak it a little, like when Taker was doing the Dragon Sleeper.

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#6 Posted on
Trips should use the Goru-Raku Stretch as a subs finsher. It's like a straightjacket version of a Camel Clutch. Looks megabad and is easy to perform.

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#7 Posted on
Didn't Hurricane use this on AJ Styles on Jakked/Metal once? I know it was a good move in No Mercy.

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#8 Posted on
Yeah, Hurricane's got a thing for it. He used it on Scotty II Hotty at last year's Rebellion too, I believe.

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#9 Posted on
I doubt HHH or any wrestler would want to injure someone on purpose like that.
First I think they would be insane, especially since there are other ways to injure them (oops, what do you mean, hold the punches??)

Second, about the sleeper. HHH is removing the aspects of his character that still get pops.
His entrance will stay probably but the bad ass look is gone and the Pedigree isnt used all the time (the move gets a big ass pop)...instead he brings in the most boring of all submissions..the sleeper.
If he used the figure 4 he would have to compete with Flair and people would be all like "wow, using his example's finisher" , if he were to use some sweet ass move like the one described above he would get pops from people for doing a sweet ass move. Nope..they want you to hate him and his dreaded sleeper.

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like i said in another thread.... giving him the belt will help, too!

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#11 Posted on
HHH's using the sleeper makes sense.

He's used it successfully before (in the Ironman match vs. the Rock, if I'm not mistaken).

It's a basic enough move that it can be pulled off at any time, and one that applied properly can actually DO something.

It's an *upper body* move. Like Lesnar's bearhug, it plays to to strengths of the person applying it. HHH has freaky-big upper body development. So, hey, let's have him wrap his enormous arms around his opponent's head and squeeze!

It's believable, it's very back-to-basics, and the chances of someone tearing something doing it is slim to none.

AND it's a simple, easy, non-impressive move. He won't get huge face pops for slapping the sleeper on someone and slowly knocking them out. Notice who's using submission finishers, for the most part? The heels. It's simple storytelling. The "face fighting out of a devastating hold" schtick is tried-and-true, and since HHH has slowed down a bit in other ways since his knee problems, he needs to make up for it in others.

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