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LotusMegami
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Since: 22.9.03
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
Heyman is back.

I could tell you that even if he were not on TV. Something has been different these past few weeks - different and good. I don't know how to describe it, so I'll just use examples.

1. Eddy - only weeks after...ick...Eddy has become not only serious but deep. It helps that some of what he said last night was sincere. True, it was part of the storyline, but he really was addicted to drugs and alcohol. I believe what he said about his father's words and crawling up out of hell. Maybe I'm being gullible. I don't care.
The crowd loves Eddy. They don't just love seeing him - they love him. I remember a match against Edge, I don't know how long ago. Eddy received a standing ovation. He lost, he was a heel, and he received a standing ovation. I have gone so far from my original topic.

2. Relationships which are neither friendship nor hatred. Heaven forbid we have complexity in relationships between wrestlers. Not to mention conflict between heels.

3. I'm gonna have to watch my tape of RAW. I'm to hyper right now to remember anything further back than SD. Ok, number three. Fun. People having fun. Not silly humor. Not stuff you can't believe. Just Tazz getting pushed in a tub of chocolate and then having to continue annoucing while sticky.

Maybe I shouldn't be too quick to credit Heyman with the changes I've seen. Maybe I shouldn't eat ice cream for breakfast. Anyways, just as I was about to give up, the WWE has made me care.

And now for something completely random: Stop saying fine and dandy! It makes you sound like a hick! Oh, wait, you are a hick.






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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
His job before was to sit at home and review the scripts and make suggestions. According to Meltzer, they very rarely used his suggestions.

He's still got that role in addition to being an on-air character but he's not part of the creative team. However, knowing how Heyman operates, I'm sure the writers are more apt to implement his suggestions when Heyman's there in person to persuade them.

Those things you mentioned are typical Heyman touches. The deeper and more real stuff that pays attention to history.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.10
While publicly we're aware of the role as on-air talent and armchair consultant only, I must admit that I find it interesting that Heyman's return coincides with Steph's time off for her honeymoon.

I see Scherer is already suggesting that Heyman could be responsible for this week's ratings increase, which I personally find more than a little far fetched...

(edited by Mr Heel II on 31.10.03 1603)


Tenken347
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Since: 27.2.03
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.48
I have this theory, actually. I think that the reason Smackdown's been so bad lately is Steph's wedding. From what I gathered, Steph ran the booking committee for both shows, but spent most of her time on Smackdown. With the wedding coming up (and now gone), I figure she wasn't spending a lot of time booking. So Smackdown didn't really have anyone in charge. Now, I guess Heyman's picking up the slack.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Scherer is an idiot. When ratings go down, it's a "sign of the times", but when they go up he finds a way to credit someone from ECW for it. I remember when he said he thought Sabu-Sandman from N2R 97 was a great match, what a fucking shill.
LotusMegami
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Since: 22.9.03
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
"Those things you mentioned are typical Heyman touches. The deeper and more real stuff that pays attention to history."

Thank you fuelinjected. That's what I was trying to express.

I don't doubt that with Heyman physically present, he could be very persuasive.

BTW, if Brock should be fined for overusing "Paul" he should be whipped for saying "fine and dandy." There's just no excuse for that.



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Tenken347
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.48
I don't know, I like it. It's unexpected for a monster heel.
T.i.O a B.m.F
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Since: 25.10.03
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#8 Posted on
When Heyman was booking Smackdown it sucked. Does anyoe remeber Undertaker opening the huge gifts from Big Show every week and Heyman being featured in almost every segment?

(edited by T.i.O a B.m.F on 1.11.03 1041)


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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
Yes, I remember. And it ruled. Heyman is skull-fucking everyone - heel, face, he manipulates everyone. And I like it. Give me fun I can believe in.



And if you think that its fake try to receive a chokeslam, a sweet chin music or a spear without scream or drop a tear..
smarkymcsmart
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.05
First of all, the bit with Eddie Guerrero on Smackdown was terrible in every possible way. The idea behind it, Eddie's execution, everything. What got Eddie over was being a clever cheater who outsmarted everyone, not being a dull "it's not how many times you get knocked down, it's how many times you get back up!" type of guy.

That doesn't make his character deep, it makes him boring and will make him annoying if it continues past this week. He should be smacking Chavo in the face and telling him to shut his mouth, not getting choked up about his past with drugs, which probably 80% of the audience had no idea about. If that angle had happened in El Paso, where the fans would be teary-eyed and giving Eddie a ten-minute standing ovation, that would be one thing. But it wasn't.

That said, Heyman is not booking anything. According to one of the sheets, the Smackdown writers don't even like that he's back as an on-air talent, so it's doubtful that he has any sort of influence with them. And for that matter, Stephanie was not booking either. Being the head of the writing team means that she helps supervise and acts as a go-between for the writers and Vince, but she isn't plotting out the shows. Regardless, since Heyman was demoted, Smackdown has been entirely what Vince wants.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
"First of all, the bit with Eddie Guerrero on Smackdown was terrible in every possible way. The idea behind it, Eddie's execution, everything. What got Eddie over was being a clever cheater who outsmarted everyone, not being a dull "it's not how many times you get knocked down, it's how many times you get back up!" type of guy.

That doesn't make his character deep, it makes him boring and will make him annoying if it continues past this week. He should be smacking Chavo in the face and telling him to shut his mouth, not getting choked up about his past with drugs, which probably 80% of the audience had no idea about. If that angle had happened in El Paso, where the fans would be teary-eyed and giving Eddie a ten-minute standing ovation, that would be one thing. But it wasn't."

A total 2D character-which, let's face it, is what Eddie's "Cheat his way out of everything" persona was-is good for getting the fans to pop for somebody, but once a guy starts playing with the big boys you're going to need a little more to him. And you can call it boring all you want, but last week's speech was something different from Eddie. Of course his old persona ain't dead-it's being added to.





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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.86
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    "First of all, the bit with Eddie Guerrero on Smackdown was terrible in every possible way. The idea behind it, Eddie's execution, everything. What got Eddie over was being a clever cheater who outsmarted everyone, not being a dull "it's not how many times you get knocked down, it's how many times you get back up!" type of guy.

    That doesn't make his character deep, it makes him boring and will make him annoying if it continues past this week. He should be smacking Chavo in the face and telling him to shut his mouth, not getting choked up about his past with drugs, which probably 80% of the audience had no idea about. If that angle had happened in El Paso, where the fans would be teary-eyed and giving Eddie a ten-minute standing ovation, that would be one thing. But it wasn't."

    A total 2D character-which, let's face it, is what Eddie's "Cheat his way out of everything" persona was-is good for getting the fans to pop for somebody, but once a guy starts playing with the big boys you're going to need a little more to him. And you can call it boring all you want, but last week's speech was something different from Eddie. Of course his old persona ain't dead-it's being added to.




Exactly. There are only so many cheat-to-win ploys you can pull off without the gimmick getting tired, and without compromising Eddie's effectiveness as a wrestler -- I want to see Eddie *wrestling*, not spiking his opponent's pre-match drink with LSD or stuffing a chain down his opponent's tights during a suplex or whatever other goofy stunt the writers have come up with this week. If they're really going to push Eddie above the US title level (which I don't really expect, but one has to be optimistic sometimes), they have to make the crowd take him seriously as a wrestler and as a character, not just as a Latino Bugs Bunny.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.23
    Originally posted by Shem the Penman
    If they're really going to push Eddie above the US title level (which I don't really expect, but one has to be optimistic sometimes), they have to make the crowd take him seriously as a wrestler and as a character, not just as a Latino Bugs Bunny.


I thought they were booking him as Speedy Gonzales with just a hint of Senor Bugs. Arriba!



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
I agree with OSH and Shem about Eddie. His interview absolutely made his character deep, and the reason why he changed his attitude was because of Chavo and family. I doubt if Tajiri was railing on him Eddie would have come out with that speech. But because it was his flesh and blood, Eddie had to turn off the smirking attitude and explain things to Chavo.

This instantly makes Chavo seem more important because Eddie made such a drastic and dramatic speech. Time will tell if the fans will buy this family feud, but I like that in the course of one show we get both Eddie and Chavo involved in something bigger than a random match.

As to Heyman's impact, again time will tell. It does seem like some here are just using wishful thinking and Scherer-logic in blindly praising Heyman for Smackdown's improvment. We need to see if Smackdown continues to improve in its stories, and even then it will be reaching to give Paul the credit.

In the end, all I know is that its good to have Heyman back, even if it's only as on-air talent.

(edited by Torchslasher on 2.11.03 2202)


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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
I'm glad to see Heyman back.

He was booking and writing smackdown a while ago but he got fired and was replaced by two yes men who steph appoved (i can't remember their names at the moment)
At the moment he's been off for back surgery i read but anyway its nice to have him back

Offically he's only an on scereen performer but it wouldn't surprise me if he was writing as well

Overall its good to have him back
Definately one of the best actors in a non wrestling guise

P.S (Does anyone remember that speech he made to the Mcman in the invasion storyline. That was brilliant)



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    Originally posted by reddragon
    P.S (Does anyone remember that speech he made to the Mcman in the invasion storyline. That was brilliant)
Nope.

Oh...wait. Yeah (slashwrestling.com)

Say, did you guys know I used to recap wrestling? Yeah.



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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by reddragon
      P.S (Does anyone remember that speech he made to the Mcman in the invasion storyline. That was brilliant)
    Nope.

    Oh...wait. Yeah (slashwrestling.com)

    Say, did you guys know I used to recap wrestling? Yeah.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
I've always thought that WWF is more fun to watch when the wrestlers are having fun (See: 2000)...and it's always fun when Heyman's around! What will we see next? A Benoit push??



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#19 Posted on
    Originally posted by CRZ
    Say, did you guys know I used to recap wrestling? Yeah.


As crazy as this may seem to those of us who know better, there are probably new people here who actually don't know that.



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I know - and they're all from the UK and they all use The Planet. This is why I continue to promote myself through the use of links...at least occasionally. ;-)



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