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Since: 2.1.02
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#1 Posted on
You say in your Raw review "You know, I defy you to find the LAST time Hebner made a call based on something he DID NOT see."

I don't have time to go back and find out exactly when it has happened, or exactly when Hebner was involved, but pretty often (although not quite so much lately) in tag team matches the heels will clap their hands behind the ref's back to get an illegal tag in, and the referee still allows the tag -- based on something he didn't see.

Also, a bit more obscure, but there's been a few times when the heel will plant a foreign object on an opponent and get said opponent disqualified. Again, I don't know if Hebner has actually been involved, but it's happened.
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Sorry, this evidence would get thrown out before the trial on Law and Order. We need specifics here.




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See, I think Hebner was supposed to THINK he saw something. He was "groggy," and the way that Jericho flinched and the way the Show was holding the chair (plus his huge body obscuring the refs view) may well have looked like a chair shot.
Either way I really loved it...



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Since: 22.1.02
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I thought it was a fun way to get rid of Big Show. And I guess he got to hold on to whatever shred of heat he has left with his chokeslam hat trick.

But, CRZ's right, that used to be a staple of 80s WWF refereeing. I can remember Ventura always crowing, "But he can't call what he didn't see!" as the dastardly heel (usually Dibiase) got away with another dirty trick.



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I don't know a specific example (hell, who can remember these types of details, who a specific ref was in a specific match). But I can definately tell you that's not the first time, not by a long shot, that someone has been DQ'd based on something they didn't see. It usually happens to the face. The heel will bring a weapon in the ring, the face snatches it, the ref recovers just in time to see the face either with the weapon or using it, and DQ's the face. I've seen it a million times. I would be shocked if in the career of Earl Hebner, that Monday was the first time he made a similar call.

I don't really care if there is consistency in the referee's character. I don't think there is such a thing in wrestling. Hell, I don't even pay attention to who the referee in a given match is most of the time.

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I have the answer: The Last Time that Earl Hebner called a match decision based upon what he did not see was at FULLY LOADED 2000, during the Chris Benoit vs. The Rock WWF Championship Match. Y'see, Rock & Benoit each had tons of DQ wins...so, Smart Shane McMahon [Benoit's manager] made a stipulation that if The Rock got DQed, then the title would change hands. So, midway through the match, Hebner got bumped and Shane went after Rock with a chair. Shane got whupped by The Rock [who had laid out Benoit with a Rock Bottom], and Hebner awoke to see Rocky standing with a chair, over the downed Benoit. DQ victory for the Cripper...NEW WWF CHAMPION...until Foley reversed the decision.



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was i the only one who noticed or thought that when big show was eliminated, that he was supposed to PUNCH the chair, and hit jericho in the face with it, which the ref would have seen? THAT was supposed to cause the disqualification! watch him blindly swat at the chair (the first time with a closed fist, the others without), which was in perfect position to bash jericho in the face, and miss horribly. then jericho plays dead to make up for the non-hit, and i guess the ref just had to pretend to have seen something.

i may be just imagining things, but that's completely what i thought was supposed to happen. it would have made so much sense.. cause the big show has always been known to smash chairs into faces with his fist.
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InsideSOLUTION, something DID look off there. I'll tell ya what, tho, if that was what was supposed to happen, then consider Jericho a ring general genius for coming up with the improvisation. That was brilliance.
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    Originally posted by The Tino Standard
    InsideSOLUTION, something DID look off there. I'll tell ya what, tho, if that was what was supposed to happen, then consider Jericho a ring general genius for coming up with the improvisation. That was brilliance.


seriously. the big show sort of had a puzzled look on his face and when jericho dropped down, i knew something was up.. then he paused for a moment before just dropping. maybe the pause was to be like "hey, i'm really fine, but shhh!", like he used to do in wcw so often. but i don't know, the whole thing just looked too sloppy to have been planned exactly the way it went down.
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    Originally posted by insideSOLUTION

      Originally posted by The Tino Standard
      InsideSOLUTION, something DID look off there. I'll tell ya what, tho, if that was what was supposed to happen, then consider Jericho a ring general genius for coming up with the improvisation. That was brilliance.


    seriously. the big show sort of had a puzzled look on his face and when jericho dropped down, i knew something was up.. then he paused for a moment before just dropping. maybe the pause was to be like "hey, i'm really fine, but shhh!", like he used to do in wcw so often. but i don't know, the whole thing just looked too sloppy to have been planned exactly the way it went down.



I have trouble believing Jericho (or anyone) thinks quite that well or quickly. But Big Show did have a big dumb look on his face. Of course, he always looks big and dumb, but this was more than normal. Oh well. I was just glad hes not getting a title shot.



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In my opinion it was the fact that it DID look sloppy that made it so cool and entertaining. It didn't appear contrived or set up, it appear to the average viewer as a spur of the moment thing. Perhaps it didn't happen the way it was supposed to, but it appeared to the viewers that Jericho was just coming up with something on the fly to get Show DQed, and that is exactly what made it a great move.

I'm not going to complain about a well orchestrated technical match that goes off without any mistakes, those are quality matches. But sometimes it is the improvizations that wrestlers do after a mistake that makes the match fun to watch.
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    Originally posted by Aphrodites Reflection
    In my opinion it was the fact that it DID look sloppy that made it so cool and entertaining. It didn't appear contrived or set up, it appear to the average viewer as a spur of the moment thing. Perhaps it didn't happen the way it was supposed to, but it appeared to the viewers that Jericho was just coming up with something on the fly to get Show DQed, and that is exactly what made it a great move.

    I'm not going to complain about a well orchestrated technical match that goes off without any mistakes, those are quality matches. But sometimes it is the improvizations that wrestlers do after a mistake that makes the match fun to watch.



one of my favorite *blown spot -> cover-up*s was at backlash (i think it was backlash) in 2000, when jericho tried a springboard dropkick to benoit, who was on the apron, and jericho slipped and just kinda plopped down.. benoit put his hands up (to look like he would have blocked it), stood there for a second and then just started smirking, as if THAT'S WHAT HE HAD PLANNED TO HAPPEN. oh man.. it was so good.
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The faux-chair hit was the coolest thing I've seen on WWE TV in a good, long while.



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