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John Orquiola
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Where is Pinehurst in relation to Primatech? Did they actually establish that Pinehurst is in Odessa, Texas or are there actually sewer tunnels that connect where ever Pinehurst is to Primatech?

Why does Daphne wear high heeled boots if she's a superspeed runner? Does anyone in costume design or production think of things like that? No.

The direction and editing of the show is as dumbass as ever. They made a big scene out of Nathan Petrelli finally meeting Arthur Petrelli. Arthur asks Tracy to leave and she's suspiciously polite and snickering. Then Nathan and Arthur have a big sit down talk, which could have been interesting, but happened OFF SCREEN because next time we see Arthur he's sitting watching Sylar cuddle Elle on the monitor. What, he didn't ask Nathan to stick around to watch. "Hey son, you know that other brother you didn't know you had? I think he might score with the electric chick! Check it out!"

Speaking of Sylar and Elle, this coupling has potential. They're a good fit and it helps Quinto and Bell are two of the best actors on the show. Pairing off Claire and Peter is doubly cringe-inducing. Panetierre's easy on the eyes hotness aside, they're two of the crappiest actors on the show plus their real life relationship makes for some serious creepy factor in their characters' uncle/niece relationship.

Claire's "I have a plan" is always ingenious. "My plan is to kill myself. Hey, that's all I've got!"

Hiro having the mind of a 10 year old shows no difference whatsoever with how he normally behaves.

I was so happy for a moment when I thought Heroes actually bumped off Matt Parkman. But they didn't. Why would Heroes try to make me happy? They never wanted to before.

Daphne revealing her love for Matt makes no sense. This whole season has spanned the time frame of what -- two weeks? Matt and Daphne have been hanging out for two, three days, tops. Now she LOVES him? Once again, the forced machinations of Heroes' plotting defies any logic in character behavior.
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To resurrect a Duck Dodgers running gag, Sylar certainly earned his Exposition Major tonight.

Apparently Claire is the key to giving normals powers. Normals like her father Nathan who I'm pretty sure is older than her...

Ten year old hero would remember Pandora's Box.

Big Papa just let Angela go? Really?

Sylar has empathy? So he and Peter have the same powers but learned to use it different ways?
Peter: I was effeminate and dreamy.
Gabriel: And I had to be a serial killer?
Nathan: Nevermind you two! I will charge this stronghold of super villainy with my incredible ability to... fly!
Gabriel: Wait. What good will that do you indoors?
Nathan: Go eat a brain.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Where is Pinehurst in relation to Primatech? Did they actually establish that Pinehurst is in Odessa, Texas or are there actually sewer tunnels that connect where ever Pinehurst is to Primatech?

    The direction and editing of the show is as dumbass as ever. They made a big scene out of Nathan Petrelli finally meeting Arthur Petrelli. Arthur asks Tracy to leave and she's suspiciously polite and snickering. Then Nathan and Arthur have a big sit down talk, which could have been interesting, but happened OFF SCREEN because next time we see Arthur he's sitting watching Sylar cuddle Elle on the monitor. What, he didn't ask Nathan to stick around to watch. "Hey son, you know that other brother you didn't know you had? I think he might score with the electric chick! Check it out!"


Pinehearst is in Fort Lee NJ. Primatech had offices in Hartsdale NY, NYC and Odessa. Either way, it's not like Peter and Claire took the sewer all the way there.

Didn't we see the whole talk between Nathan and his dad? I really didn't feel like we missed anything there.

Other than that tho, we're pretty much in agreement. I'll give them credit for at least explaining that whole scene with Claire and Sylar first episode, but the rest... shoehorned romances, Sylar becoming all emo and goody goody, Hiro having amnesia [which is leading up to a Seth Green guest role as a comic nerd(seriously)]... I have to say I'm losing interest fast.

This show needs one hell of a creative overhaul, and if you ask me it should start with the main characters. They clearly didn't have any plans for most of them past season one, and so they keep doing variations on the same bits we've seen already, as if we won't notice. The writers do their little post episode interviews on CBR every week, and this week they tried to say that people want to see more of characters like Doyle and Black Hole Guy because they were only on long enough to not get stale, but the flipside of that argument is that the main cast is staler than week old bread. Cut the characters whose stories have been told, and go back to the original plan of focusing on different characters each season rather than the "break out stars".



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JustinShapiro
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Did the writers also say that they'd explain in the "Villains" episode why Sylar kept the TK he took from David Berman? Did that happen at any point?

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Did the writers also say that they'd explain in the "Villains" episode why Sylar kept the TK he took from David Berman? Did that happen at any point?

    (edited by JustinShapiro on 18.11.08 1607)


http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18851


    “In a previous BTE interview, it was stated we would see in ‘Villains’ why Sylar was able to keep his telepathy despite being infected with the Shanti virus. However, we didn't seem to get any explanation last night. The only conclusion I can deduce is that it's all in his head, and somehow related to the extreme amount of guilt he felt over Brian.”

    Kyle, we assume you mean telekenisis, and not telepathy and if so, you nailed it. Brian was Sylar’s first kill and his power is connected to emotional empathy. In fact, we’ll be exploring that very sentiment tonight. In chains. With electricity.


So basically they're chalking it up to his suppressed Peter powers. The guilt over killing the telekinetic never went away, so the telekinesis never went away when he got the virus. Or something. Kind of weak if you ask me. I guess Peter and Sylar are supposed to be like Maya and Alejandro now, with one getting the "fight or flight" aspects and the other getting the instruction manual.



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John Orquiola
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From that interview:

“The Sylar-Elle-HRG storyline from ‘Villains,’ the last scene of that particular arc, where HRG got into the Mohinder-driven cab and it went into the scene from ‘Genesis.’ According to the timeline you established in ‘Six Months Ago,’ Mohinder didn't show up until after his father was killed by Sylar, right before he went off on his cross-country collection campaign. At that point, Sylar, according to all indications, was already a mass-murderer and that's why Chandra stopped helping him. Yet the aforementioned scene seemingly takes place the same day Sylar kills Trevor Zeitlan, long after he should have been gone from NY or months before Mohinder arrived in town. And it was pretty clear his guilt was just over Brian Davis.”

We can tell you that when we broke the story – that scene between Elle and H.R.G. – was supposed to be at a Sylar-esque crime scene months or weeks after the entire story took place – and they were talking about the monster they’ve unleashed. Sometimes, things happen from script through production and editorial where ideas become too clever and through-lines aren’t tracked. Just so you know – it infuriated us as well.

So... real answer: We fucked up. We weren't paying attention. Our story editors and script supervisors are incompetent. Also, at the end of the day, we don't really care. We put out a sub-par product. Our bad.

Always suspected such, but good to know.

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.76
    Originally posted by CxMorgado
    They clearly didn't have any plans for most of them past season one


Are we to believe that the producers even thought that "Heroes" was going to last past season one? I vote no ... In fact, if you all will indulge me, I'm going to state for the record that "Heroes" is heretofore suffering from the same fate as "The Matrix" (bear with me here).

When the Wachowski brothers were writing/stealing the script for the first Matrix, they stumbled across a really interesting story that struck a chord with a lot of people ... Not to say that it was an absolutely perfect story (there were faults, no doubt) but it definitely caught the entertainment world off-guard in its success and went on to become one of the big pop-culture "focal points" of its time.

Suddenly, the business suits realized that there was a lot of money to be made with this newly created franchise ... Thus, the Wachowskis (who really only had the one good idea with nowhere else to go from that point on) were "forced" into stretching things out into a trilogy in order to make some bank off this newfound cash cow.

So, we wind up with two crappy sequels which try to further a story which - thematically - had no business being furthered in the first place ... In effect, greed doomed a very popular movie - which could have been remembered more favorably into pop-culture perpetuity if the stain of the sequels didn't exist - to the point that "The Matrix" has been pretty much wiped off the pop-culture map altogether(no more video games, no comic book spinoffs, nothing).













Is any of this sounding familiar?

Basically, I would be very surprised to learn that the creators of "Heroes" had any long-term plans in place for the show ... Like "The Matrix", they had the one good idea (which had trouble even maintaining that initial momentum, if you remember the disappointing season one finale) and were forced to stretch it out and keep the series going in order to make the higher-ups some more money.

Sad, really (but not as sad as me wasting time writing out all that crap above) ...

(edited by Alessandro on 19.11.08 1308)


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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.91
    Originally posted by Alessandro
    Basically, I would be very surprised to learn that the creators of "Heroes" had any long-term plans in place for the show ... Like "The Matrix", they had the one good idea (which had trouble even maintaining that initial momentum, if you remember the disappointing season one finale) and were forced to stretch it out and keep the series going in order to make the higher-ups some more money.


You make a good analogy, except I think there are some key differences. Heroes: Season 1 wasn't entirely brilliant. It was good, but I think there were some early signs that the writers didn't really know the difference between a strong storyline and a weak one.

I started to give up on the show when they reunited Bennet and Claire so soon after that excellent "Company Man" episode. That could have really been the heart of the show - a man simply trying to get his daughter back in the midst of all this chaos - and they could have ridden on the coattails of that story line for at least two seasons. Even now - keeping everything else as it is - I would still be enticed to watch for just that payoff alone.




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