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Ladies and gentlemen, the following public service message is brought to you by your friends from D-Generation X, who would like to remind each and every one of you that if you're not down with that, we've got two words for you...

In the immortal words of Thomas A. Anderson... "Whoa."

OK, first off, body count:

Sylar - Gutted good by Hiro, but not quite dead.
Peter - Went kaboom in the sky, but since Sylar's still alive, he has to be as well. (Anyone who reads comic books will understand why - the whole "balance in the universe" thing.)
Nathan - Very dead, and in very heroic fashion. (In a way, Mama Petrelli was right about him all along.)
Matt - The sheet's not over him yet, but with five of his own bullets in him courtesy Sylar, it's not looking good.
D.L. - Living to phase another day. (And for those of you suckers that were writing him off after last week, HA!)

Secondly, what we found out:

-- That Father Deveaux was also in the original Justice League (along with Linderman, Papa Nakamura, and Papa & Mama Petrelli). Oh, and he can apparently see dreaming people. Wonder how they're going to make sense of that one. (With large portions of next season seemingly set in the past, though, I think we're going to see plenty of it.)
-- HRG's first name? Noah. Not sure if the biblical Noah is the parallel they're going for, but if that's the case, it certainly seems like they're setting him up as the mentor figure for any future Justice League that they might have designs on setting up.
-- There's one person that Molly can't see. Oh, and he's worse than Sylar. Oh, and he can "see" her. Looks like they have the post-Sylar Big Bad planned well in hand. (And this is totally unrelated... but was I the only one who thought that Molly & Micah looked REALLY cute together.)
-- Looks like, based on the coda, we finally have an explanation for how Hiro becomes the badass future version of himself. I wonder if Kensei has a power too...
-- Niki & Jessica finally seem to be at peace with one another. Oh, and Candice is one evil bitch.

Thoughts? I'm still trying to digest it all... and now the long wait to the fall begins.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
Biggest question: How come Peter didn't just fly off on his own? He's flown without Nathan around. Some folks are suggesting he's basically Ultra Boy and can only use one power at a time, but if so I must have missed the episode where that was explained.

Oh, and Candace still looks like Candace after she gets knocked cold, huh?

Hiro in 17th-century Japan looks like it's going to be fun, and you have to wonder what Mama Petrelli and any of the other surviving Illuminati will be up to now that their plan has been foiled.



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    Originally posted by Shem the Penman
    Biggest question: How come Peter didn't just fly off on his own? He's flown without Nathan around. Some folks are suggesting he's basically Ultra Boy and can only use one power at a time, but if so I must have missed the episode where that was explained.

Probably because his system was kinda overwhelmed by the whole nuclear power thing. I mean, he probably would have been defenseless against Sylar at that point if Sylar had gotten a hankering for BRAINS and Hiro hadn't shown up at just the right moment to gut him.

    Originally posted by Shem the Penman
    Hiro in 17th-century Japan looks like it's going to be fun, and you have to wonder what Mama Petrelli and any of the other surviving Illuminati will be up to now that their plan has been foiled.

Mama Petrelli and the Illuminati is probably season three. I'd imagine season two will be all about filling in the backstory of the first generation - seeing how they came together and eventually drifted apart. Still, I'm wondering what they thought they were gaining by blowing New York up in the first place. Hopefully the breakup will explain that.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.77
I have to say I'm disappointed that we still didn't get the big Sylar vs. Peter superpowered throwdown they've teased us with all season. When they showed Fire vs. Cold in the future episode and didn't show the actual fight to us, I figured it was because they were saving it for the Showdown in Kirby Park. Instead all we get were a few jump cut edited punches and then Hiro running Sylar through. Is there not enough money in the budget to do an all out Sylar vs. Peter fight?

Richard Roundtree being able to see Peter and having the talk with him was neat, but not so neat was the lack of explanation as to how it happened. Was it the past? Was it a dream? I'm working on the theory now that he might be the man who can see Molly.

Molly and Micah seem to be a natural pair. A cute little superpowered white girl just like his superpowered old man has. But those kids can't be more than 10 or 11, they shouldn't be expected to end up as a couple unless they want to move into Cory and Topanga territory.

I feel a little bit like pointing out some of the dumb stuff in the episode, like the entire conversation Richard Roundtree had with Mother Petrelli where Mother goes through the entire motion of putting sugar in her tea and then immediately gets up, kisses him goodbye on the forehead and walks off. Who does that? Who sits down, pours herself tea during a conversation, mixes the sugar, and then gets up to leave immediately? "Well, I've sweetened the tea just how I like it. Gotta go." I'm making a big deal about that but I notice stuff like that, which is why I'm always railing about how dumb and badly directed Heroes is.

But I don't feel like complaining. What's the point? The season finale was definitely on a par with the rest of the season. Most people see that as a huge positive and I don't feel like walking against the wind yet again.

I did like Nathan making the Heroic sacrifice and flying his brother to explode in the sky. No doubt Peter survived, but I'll miss Nathan. He was one of my favorites. Too bad he spent his whole life rejecting his cool (Claire's totally right) power of flight and decided to use it as a means to kill himself, even if he does save New York in the process. I wonder how his wife who can now walk and their two sons who never talk will have the news broken to them? "How did Nathan die?" "Well, he flew Peter into the sky so he could explode." And who gets to be Congressman with Nathan's demise? So many questions.

In the end, Noah Bennett has Claire back and they're okay. I like that. Those two are my favorites. The Hawkins-Sanders family is together, although I don't think DL will end up biting it. Nor will Matt Parkman. Eh. Whatever. Ando is back in Japan. That's cool. Mohinder and Mohinder's voice over narration are still around. I suppose I'll have to tolerate both some more in season 2. Peter will be back, Sylar will be back, and there's gonna be a new evil to fight. All good stuff.

The coda of Hiro in 1671 Japan was neat. I'd like to see more of what goes on there. But will someone finally explain what the significance of the eclipse is?



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.98
Does someone want to explain to me why it would have been so awful for Claire to shoot Peter? That would stop the explosion, and all you'd have to do is pull the bullet out and Peter would come back to life, right? Right??

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    -- Looks like, based on the coda, we finally have an explanation for how Hiro becomes the badass future version of himself. I wonder if Kensei has a power too...


Now, I could be way off about this one, but if it's possible that the same power could ever be passed down through the line, is it possible that Kaito (Papa Nakamura) is actually Kensei after having gone forward in time?

Also, had I been paying better attention, I would have remembered this : When Peter saved Claire in Texas, and had the vision of himself exploding while unconscious, Nathan (in the vision) walked right up to him and opened his arms to embrace him....

We should have known what Nathan was going to do all along.






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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.37
I'm calling it right now:

With Peter absorbing Nikki's strength, he also absorbed whatever allowed Jessica to exist. Thus, Nathan will live on in Peter's head.

Assuming Peter survived.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    I'm calling it right now:

    With Peter absorbing Nikki's strength, he also absorbed whatever allowed Jessica to exist. Thus, Nathan will live on in Peter's head.

    Assuming Peter survived.


I like that theory!

Peter's probably going to fall back to Earth and then wake up after a good long nap and return. The real question is whether Nathan held onto Peter until he exploded, or tossed him away and was able to fly outside the blast radius soon enough. I expect the first episode or two of next season to end with sudden appearances by everyone we think is dead. Particularly Peter, Nathan, and Sylar. Then again, did they show anyone really dead other than Linderman and Thompson? Even then, I wouldn't be surprised if Linderman and his healing ability somehow allowed him to return at the mid-point next season.

Add me to the list of people underwhelmed by the Sylar-Peter showdown. Would it make sense to call this show all steak and no sizzle? This was supposed to be a big climactic showdown between the two most powerful heroes. I did like Nikki's run-in with the parking meter. But still... Surely NBC can give this show a bigger special effects budget next season. A fight like Peter-Sylar should have left like half the city destroyed from the aftermath of the fight. Other than a broken parking meter and and some blood stains, there's hardly any evidence a big confrontation took place there. That's rather disappointing. I should have known it was going to be underwhelming when the first 50 minutes of the show was all exposition.

If Sylar is still alive, I fear for Hiro. Then again, if Sylar does want vengeance, its going to be difficult tracking him down in 1671. I look forward to seeing how Hiro ties in to his Kensei legend.

I like that Ando survived. Claire jumping out the building was cool. Peter's dream was interesting - I look forward to an explanation for that next season. I'm VERY curious about Molly's scary person. (And yes, Molly and Micah were cute together...) I'm disappointed that the illusionist (Candace?) turned out to look just like herself, after her talks last week with Micah. (Her fight with Niki was fun, though, especially once Jessica was all "that's not me"). I like that we finally learned Bennett's name.

Next season should be good.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.51
Wow, that was a shocking episode. Shockingly bad. After this show was so great all season how could they give us that crap as an ending. It was pretty boring throughout, the Nathan saving the day thing was too forced and cheesy and just totally didn't work. No Sylar vs. Peter battle. The dreaming stuff was dumb and made no sense. Niki asked D. L. the same thing I wondered last week, why didn't you just phase through the bullet and he didn't even answer the question. The Hiro in Japan stuff doesn't interest me at all, nothing from Ninja Turtles 3 does.

Really the only thing I liked about his episode is that Ando lived and that Molly kid is cute.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.04
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Niki asked D. L. the same thing I wondered last week, why didn't you just phase through the bullet and he didn't even answer the question.


Because if he let the bullet phase right through him, it would have hit Nikki and killed her instead ... seems pretty obvious to me.

    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
    I'm VERY curious about Molly's scary person.


Probably way off, but I'm guessing it's this guy ...



Overall, I found the tone of this episode to be a bit on the dramatic side (almost to the point of being comical). And I'll also throw in my complaint that the constant Peter-Sylar teases have gotten a bit grating; maybe next year ... Still, a thorougly enjoyable first season; this might be the first TV show where I'm actually willing to pay full price for the DVD set (although sixty bucks is a bit steep for my tastes).

Other observations:

1) We've been led to believe that all this "Save the cheerleader" stuff meant that Sylar must not be allowed to absorb Claire's regenerative powers or else he would become unstoppable ... but isn't this like the third time that he's "risen from the dead"? Parkman shot him pointblank in one of the first episodes (he might have just used telekinesis to stop the bullets, but I do remember him falling backwards as if he had been hit), then the Primatech company pumped him so full of drugs that he flat-lined, and now this ... seems like he's already got the "indestructable" stuff covered.

2) Why did Bennett feel the need to kill Molly anyway? I mean, why not just "kidnap" her and just make sure that Primatech didn't get their hands on her again? Of course, by leaving her alive that always leaves the risk that she would be re-captured (I'm assuming that they used the old-fashioned tracking system - the implants in the shoulder - on her just in case), but still ...

3) Also, when Micah and Suresh and the rest are escaping in the elevator, how stupid was it of the guard to not just PRESS THE ELEVATOR BUTTON AND MAKE THE DOORS OPEN AGAIN?!? Now, while it's true that Micah could have just "told" the elevator not to open the doors, but the guard didn't know that - he was just pawing at the door like a confused animal when the button was RIGHT THERE (again, this is one of those things that nobody in their right mind would notice, but was still somehow able to annoy me).

4) It's nice to know that my suspicions were confirmed, and that Nikki was not suffering from a "Hulk" complex (gaining super strength only after the transformation); her ability was always inherent in her, but she was just too unsure of herself to let it out ... now all that needs to be sorted out is whether or not the "Jessica" persona was a construct of her mind to give her that confidence to use her ability, or (from a weird theory that my brother formulated) Jessica's ability was - for lack of a better term - "possession", and that before she died her consciousness jumped into Nikki's body.





(edited by Alessandro on 22.5.07 0916)


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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.47
    Originally posted by Alessandro
    Still, a thorougly enjoyable first season; this might be the first TV show where I'm actually willing to pay full price for the DVD set (although sixty bucks is a bit steep for my tastes).




MSRP is always high for DVDs. The Lost DVD sets have about the same list price, and you could find those for about $25-30 when they came out.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
    I'm VERY curious about Molly's scary person.


Well, Molly did say that she couldn't see him, but he could see her. Maybe it's the invisible guy who trained Peter/worked with Bennet, & there's actually more to him than we've been told so far...?
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.51
I couldn't help but be disappointed that there was not a knockdown, dragout with Peter and Sylar. It seemed like it was all leading up to that. Having all of the Heroes there together was cool, though.

I also do not think Nathan needed to help Peter fly away, but am glad he did, because I didn't care for his character.

Has any info leaked on Season 2? I can't imagine it would all take place in 1671 Japan.




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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.95
    Originally posted by Alessandro
    1) We've been led to believe that all this "Save the cheerleader" stuff meant that Sylar must not be allowed to absorb Claire's regenerative powers or else he would become unstoppable ... but isn't this like the third time that he's "risen from the dead"?
The Cheerleader didn't save the world in quite that way in this final act. What happens is that, by virtue of being Nathan's daughter, Nathan learns compassion and self-sacrifice - what Peter was trying to teach him all along.

Because Claire survived, Nathan found his reason to give up his (and his mother's) selfish ambition of becoming a leader after something "inevitable" and followed his daughter's wishes to change the future. That's how she saved the world, by Nathan becoming her and learning from his children (unlike his mother, who wanted Nathan to become her).

What I'm wondering now is whether Nathan's other kids with Rena Sofer have super powers or if two people with super powers need to get together to have super kids.


A pretty by-the-book finale, but I mean that in a good way. Everything happened as it was supposed to and they didn't jerk us around. I'll be around for Season Two.

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.46
Called it! Woohoo.

Back when the Peter Go Boom was teased, before the break, my local Heroes viewing circle (...okay, just me and my sister and brother in law) decided the finale was probably going to be Nathan flying Peter away from the city to explode harmlessly. Reason being was that in the flash-forward, Nathan walked right up to Peter, looking calm and almost comforting, and was the only one standing next to him when he was going boom. So, it wasn't much of a surprise to us that Nathan saved the day.

There were two points of "Huh?", though. One was that the final confrontation bore NO resemblance to that flash forward. Everybody was in different clothes, it was broad daylight, and it took place at Petrelli campaign HQ, not Kirby Square. Yes, Hiro's double-meddling with time changed events -- going back to the subway to goad them to save Claire's life, then taking Issac's comic book back from the differently-doomed future #2 -- but the disjoint was a bit disappointing.

Second, what everybody else has been saying... I wanted my badass Kyo/Iori Peter/Sylar showdown. They teased it and teased it and just did not deliver. Whether it was an FX issue or them realizing that two superhumans full-on brawling would tip the world off too to metas easily, I dunno, but it's a real shame. I guess we MIGHT get round two since obviously both of them survived, but it's looking like the bigbad of Season Two is not going to be Sylar, so at best it'll be a side event. Darn.

Overall, we're satisfied. It could've been more, but it delivered enough to be solid and entertaining television.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.04
    Originally posted by Twoflower
    One was that the final confrontation bore NO resemblance to that flash forward. Everybody was in different clothes, it was broad daylight, and it took place at Petrelli campaign HQ, not Kirby Square. Yes, Hiro's double-meddling with time changed events -- going back to the subway to goad them to save Claire's life, then taking Issac's comic book back from the differently-doomed future #2 -- but the disjoint was a bit disappointing.


I think that was supposed to be more of a "dream" sequence than an actual vision of the future ...

Also, forgot one more thing ... Anyone able to translate the swear word Hiro used during his trip to 17th-century Japan? I'm assuming it was actually pretty tame, since the NBC censors would still have to bleep it out no matter what the language.





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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
No Peter/Sylar uber-showdown = LAME

Simone's Dad: "all that matters is love" = LAME

Ando: "You look bad-ass" = LA... OK that was awesome

This was not very good. Things were either too rushed (Hiro stabbing Sylar) or were way too drawn out (Peter's flashback thing, Nathan putzing around, anything with Nikki, DL, and Micah). This is a SEASON FINALE. It should have been filled with ACTION, with "FUCK YEAH"s, with "OH SHIT"s, with "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING OOOON"s, and NOT with little side storylines that should have been wrapped up last week.

A solid 10 minutes should have gone to the final showdown. Hiro should have been present at the end for more than 60 seconds. A big twist should have been there during the battle against Sylar. I was anticipating this stuff and I never got it and that totally sucks because I was so pumped up about the whole story after the 'Days of Future Past' episode.

I'm going to watch it next season regardless because the majority of the season rocked and I'm a sucker for superhero sci-fi. But, I'll sleep easy knowing that I made my displeasure publicly known on an internet message board.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.04
    Originally posted by StingArmy
    Does someone want to explain to me why it would have been so awful for Claire to shoot Peter? That would stop the explosion, and all you'd have to do is pull the bullet out and Peter would come back to life, right? Right??

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My guess is that once he comes back to life, there will always be the chance that he'll just go nuclear again ... so it would be better for all involved if they just left the bullet in the back of his head.

    Originally posted by samoflange
    Things were either too rushed (Hiro stabbing Sylar)


Maybe Sylar was lulled into a false sense of security, because Hiro didn't have the guts to kill him the first time ... although, when he beat him in that little game of chicken with Ando's brain, you'd think he'd keep his guard up a little bit. Y'know, just so he could do something while Hiro is rushing at him sword-first.





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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
    Originally posted by samoflange
    But, I'll sleep easy knowing that I made my displeasure publicly known on an internet message board.


Hell, then you've already won.

I want to both like and dislike this episode. Overall, I'm very mixed about my reaction.

On the good side, um, this was still kick-ass. Even the brief Sylar/Peter showdown was great in my opinion, because they really built up to it. That episode was rife with tension... the end was coming, it was coming, coming. So much so that I just wanted to see them in the same space, and I got that.

Also good was Claire... that dive from the window was a perfect loop compared to the beginning of the show.

On the bad side... the whole set-up with Peter and Shaft was so that Peter would learn to tackle Sylar on his own, that saving the world was HIS duty. But then Nathan flies in and helps him, seemingly out of nowhere. That part felt mightily forced.

Sylar should have died and stayed dead. That's where we were headed, and he crawls away. Boo.

On the egregiously horrible side... I'm sorry, but you're going to have to do MUCH, MUCH more to excite me about season 2 than having a lame coda in feudal Japan. Kyoto in 1671? Eh.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
How does NOBODY notice Sylar making an exit????

The cops on the scene don't notice a body gone missing and ask around. Keeping the guy away from your daughter has been one of the keys to Noah's life for how long, and you don't check to see if he is really dead?

Look, I'm glad he is still around, one thing that I hate is when movie franchises kill off key villians, leaving no room for future stories (ie the joker in Batman, but how hard would it have been to either cut to him in the ambulance or the Morge, getting up and leaving.

Nathan stepping in, while well set up looking back now, was also dissapointing. And somehow I think we haven't seen the last of him. Its the old comic book rule, any death not shown on panel (or screen in this case) isn't real.
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