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Canadian Conservative Government Falls, Election Coming

To the surprise of no one, Canada is once again heading to the polls. The Harper government was voted in contempt earlier today, and it looks as though we'll be voting on May 2 (while still recovering from our Royal Wedding hangover).

The consensus at this point seems to be that we're spending $300 million to end up at the same result (a Conservative minority government).

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
    Originally posted by The Goon
    The Harper government was voted in contempt earlier today, and it looks as though we'll be voting on May 2 (while still recovering from our Royal Wedding hangover).
May 2 would be an incredibly stupid election day, as that's this year's filing deadline for taxes. (That would be like having an election on April 15.)



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.89
    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by The Goon
      The Harper government was voted in contempt earlier today, and it looks as though we'll be voting on May 2 (while still recovering from our Royal Wedding hangover).
    May 2 would be an incredibly stupid election day, as that's this year's filing deadline for taxes. (That would be like having an election on April 15.)






April 18th due to Emancipation Day in DC on Friday the 15th.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by hansen9j
        Originally posted by The Goon
        The Harper government was voted in contempt earlier today, and it looks as though we'll be voting on May 2 (while still recovering from our Royal Wedding hangover).
      May 2 would be an incredibly stupid election day, as that's this year's filing deadline for taxes. (That would be like having an election on April 15.)

    April 18th due to Emancipation Day in DC on Friday the 15th.
Fair enough. (Similarly, ours is usually April 30, but the weekend pushes it back to May 2.)



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If it was anyone but the black hole of charisma known as Michael Ignatieff leading the Liberals, I'd say this 'coalition' idea could work. Unfortunately, Ignatieff just doesn't pass the muster. For Americans unfamiliar with Igantieff, imagine a less-charismatic John Kerry, if such a thing is conceivable.



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Americans don't have such a system, so I'm unsure how this works precisely.

How and why is a government voted in contempt, how frequently does it happen, and do you think it's an effective system, overall?



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Oh man, I love election season. I expect another Conservative minority (again) but I wouldn't be surprised to see history repeat itself and have the Liberals come out of the election with fewer seats than they came in with.

I don't trust Ignatieff, and Layton just plain creeps me out. I trust Harper and think he did as good a job as expected as PM, considering the circumstances.

Big Bad may get something out of this article on the Edmonton Sun website (edmontonsun.com) where Iggy's newest ads really don't shed proper light on his upbringing. Trying to sell himself as a man of the people...? No.



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Since: 21.1.02
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#8 Posted on
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Americans don't have such a system, so I'm unsure how this works precisely.

    How and why is a government voted in contempt, how frequently does it happen, and do you think it's an effective system, overall?


A government has never been voted in comtempt of parliament before. What happened was that cabinet minister Bev Oda was given a report to provide funding for a charity called Kairos, which was critical of Israel. Before stamping it with her approval, she inserted the word "not" into it, thus denying the group funding. When interrogated about this in parliament, she claimed she didn't know who had written "not" on it, and only recently changed her tune and admitted that she had done it.

This means, of course, she lied in parliament. That's happened before. Liberal Art Eggleton in 2002 lied about his knowledge of prisoners being taken in Afghanistan. The difference is that this is a minority government now, where the other parties outnumber the Conservatives. Because they have more votes, they can push through the motion of contempt. When the same thing was tried by opposition parties in 2002 against Eggleton, because the Liberals had a majority government and more votes than all the other parties combined, the motion failed, of course.

What does it actually mean for the governing party to be held in contempt? No one really knows because it's never happened before. That in itself didn't bring down the government. It hasn't hurt Conservative polling numbers at all. The Prime Minister had even resisted opposition demands to turf Oda, which is the usual fate of a minister when they make a gaffe like this. I'd assume it's just a symbolic move, something they'll use to try to win votes in the coming election, but something that I think will be offset by the fears of a coalition, something we know from the events after the last election actually does motivate the public.
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Also, if they weren't doing the contempt vote, the government still would have failed, since it wasn't going to be passing the budget bill it introduced this wekk. (A failed budget is much more traditional way of collapsing a government.) The contempt vote allows the topic to be corruption rather than the economy (which isn't so bad in Canada as to be a "throw the bums out" topic).

(edited by hansen9j on 26.3.11 1144)


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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.56
    Originally posted by Oliver
    Big Bad may get something out of this article on the Edmonton Sun website (edmontonsun.com) where Iggy's newest ads really don't shed proper light on his upbringing. Trying to sell himself as a man of the people...? No.


An editorial in a conservative newspaper chain (and based to Alberta, to boot) has something bad to say about Ignatieff? The hell you say! For instance, the information about Ignatieff's Russian, anti-semite great-grandfather. The author writes, "Ignatieff is not responsible for the anti-Semitism of his greatgrandfather or the tyranny of czars." So, then, why bring it up whatsoever, other than to plant a seed in readers' minds?

The Conservative attack ads about Iggy 'not caring about Canada' that have been running for three years are so, so, lame. He's a politician, people just assume he's upper-class, who cares? There are so many other valid reasons to attack Ignatieff, why stick with this tired old theme?



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#11 Posted on
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    For Americans unfamiliar with Igantieff, imagine a less-charismatic John Kerry, if such a thing is conceivable.


There's a Canadian Al Gore?? ;-)
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by hansen9j
    (That would be like having an election on April 15.)

Actually that would be the perfect day so people realize what they are paying in taxes. It's why election day in America is basically as far away from tax day as humanly possible...
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Since: 2.1.02
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
The election date is confirmed for May 2.

Ignatieff's background is a smokescreen, as is the threat of a coalition. I don't think focusing on those areas will change anyone's minds. As I said in the first post, I think we'll end up with a Conservative minority again.

That result may rid us of both Harper (for failing to get a majority in three straight elections) and Ignatieff, which leads me to wonder who might replace them.

The problem with living in Calgary is that my vote doesn't really matter. By and large my riding (as well as 95-100% of Alberta ridings) will go Conservative. Not saying I wouldn't vote for them, I just wish there was a credible race to make them earn our vote (even sadder is that I live in Rob Anders' riding).

The battleground for the election will be in Ontario. We're travelling to the GTA soon, so I look forward to see more mudslinging and signs out east than I will here.
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