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Here.

Wow. The Boss' comments about Henry were harsh, but true. I wonder what Henry would've thought about a salary cap if the Sox had gotten A-Rod.
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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
    Here.

    Wow. The Boss' comments about Henry were harsh, but true. I wonder what Henry would've thought about a salary cap if the Sox had gotten A-Rod.

That's EXACTLY what I thought when I read this story.



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The Arod to Sox deal was different because the Sox were going to give Manny to Texas. The whole reason why A-rod is not a Sox today was because they could not afford him. Now it is stupid for Henry to all for a cap when because a cap will hurt the sox and the sox do have the 2nd highest payroll in the league. But RedSox/Arod deal was not a pure money dump as this one was.
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As a Red Sox fan I have to say he should've kept his mouth shut. He may be right on this issue but he's not the one that should be crying foul over this. He just looks like the biggest hypocrite since Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggert.
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    Originally posted by edoug
    As a Red Sox fan I have to say he should've kept his mouth shut. He may be right on this issue but he's not the one that should be crying foul over this. He just looks like the biggest hypocrite since Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggert.


Granted the Yanks payroll is 50% higher than the Sox, but it is still hypocritical to call for a cap when your payroll is the 2nd highest in baseball.

With that being said, MLB does need a cap. Why payrolls need to go over $100M is beyond my understanding. They were talking about this earlier on Sports Radio EEI in Boston that in 5 -10 years or so you could see small market teams either folding or moving to stronger baseball markets. They think that you could see in addition to the Yanks and Mets, the NY area having a team in both NJ and in the Long Island area, along with a team in DC despite Baltimore's objections.






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Here's the perfect reason Henry wants a cap: He makes a larger profit. www.bostonherald.com shows in their business section that the Yankees generate income of around $340 million per year, while the Red Sox are second (possibly third, depends on what Wilpon's boys are doing) at $220 million. Now, put in a $85 million cap, and Henry is still going to take in over $200 million (the team is almost sold out for the season and they've finally learned after 20 years how to use NESN properly) but he's going to be paying out less, which means either more money for him or more money to pay down the debt servicing from buying the team. And even with a cap, they'd still raise ticket prices because the demand is there.



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To be completely off-topic, the Sox may have learned how to properly use NESN, but that doesn't stop from HATING Don Orsillo. Sean McDonough and Jerry Remy are great together, Orsillo just blows.

On-topic, baseball needs a salary cap; Henry shouldn't be saying that.



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    Originally posted by calvinh0560
    The Arod to Sox deal was different because the Sox were going to give Manny to Texas. The whole reason why A-rod is not a Sox today was because they could not afford him. Now it is stupid for Henry to all for a cap when because a cap will hurt the sox and the sox do have the 2nd highest payroll in the league. But RedSox/Arod deal was not a pure money dump as this one was.


The Yanks didn't give up chopped liver. As an Indians fan since the early 60's, I HATE the Yankees, but Boston is full of crap. They could have afforded A-Rod but chose not to pull the trigger and make a deal acceptable to the players union. This is a pot-kettle black situation.

And if money is everything, how did the Marlins win in '03 and the Angels in '02? How does Oakland stay competetive?

I am in favor of a salary cap only becasue the owners are too damn stupid to control themsleves.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.97
    Originally posted by DrDirt
    I am in favor of a salary cap only becasue the owners are too damn stupid to control themsleves.


AH! But when the owners DO take it upon themselves NOT to overpay for talent, the union cried COLLUSION!


Either way, is A rod really making so much more than Manny that they couldnt have afforded it? I think not.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by calvinh0560
      The Arod to Sox deal was different because the Sox were going to give Manny to Texas. The whole reason why A-rod is not a Sox today was because they could not afford him. Now it is stupid for Henry to all for a cap when because a cap will hurt the sox and the sox do have the 2nd highest payroll in the league. But RedSox/Arod deal was not a pure money dump as this one was.


    The Yanks didn't give up chopped liver. As an Indians fan since the early 60's, I HATE the Yankees, but Boston is full of crap. They could have afforded A-Rod but chose not to pull the trigger and make a deal acceptable to the players union. This is a pot-kettle black situation.

    And if money is everything, how did the Marlins win in '03 and the Angels in '02? How does Oakland stay competetive?

    I am in favor of a salary cap only becasue the owners are too damn stupid to control themsleves.


Compared what TX wanted from Boston (Manny, 10-15 million cash and a frontline prospect (Dumatrait, Shoppach, or De La Rosa)) the Yankees gave up chopped liver (Soriano is 28 years old (as we found out yesterday)thus he is in his prime and they will get a grade B prospect (who I have no idea as the Yankees only have two prospects left (a 19 year old pitcher and the catcher Navarro) furthermore ARod will only cost 16 million a year for the Yanks)

Furthermore Dr Dirt, if the Sox could have got ARod at 16 million (as the yanks did), the Sox could go out and probably re-sign Pedro, Lowe and Tek...at 26 million you would have had to choose 2 of those 3 guys

As for your comments about the other teams that won the W/S...the Angels got lucky (a team built on batting avg never succeeds (see 2003 angels)), the Marlins had young pitchers that all clicked at the right time and had solid clutch hitting, and the A's stay competitive b/c they draft college players who are able to come up and help the team immediately



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.78
    Originally posted by wordlife


    Compared what TX wanted from Boston (Manny, 10-15 million cash and a frontline prospect (Dumatrait, Shoppach, or De La Rosa)) the Yankees gave up chopped liver (Soriano is 28 years old (as we found out yesterday)thus he is in his prime and they will get a grade B prospect (who I have no idea as the Yankees only have two prospects left (a 19 year old pitcher and the catcher Navarro) furthermore ARod will only cost 16 million a year for the Yanks)

    Furthermore Dr Dirt, if the Sox could have got ARod at 16 million (as the yanks did), the Sox could go out and probably re-sign Pedro, Lowe and Tek...at 26 million you would have had to choose 2 of those 3 guys

    As for your comments about the other teams that won the W/S...the Angels got lucky (a team built on batting avg never succeeds (see 2003 angels)), the Marlins had young pitchers that all clicked at the right time and had solid clutch hitting, and the A's stay competitive b/c they draft college players who are able to come up and help the team immediately


The fact is they could have had A-Rod if they wanted him. They chose not to. Fine, but don't cry fould now.

That is my point with the Angels, they may not be able to keep them, nor can the A's but there is more involved than money. You just have to be smarter about it.

Plus they really screwed up by not keeoing it more quiet.

I don't like what the Yankees stand for but it's allowed.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Well besides saying that the trades was in the workds. ALMOST ALL of the leaks were from Texas. All the comments from the sox happened after the trade was vetoed by the PA.
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    Originally posted by gugs
    To be completely off-topic, the Sox may have learned how to properly use NESN, but that doesn't stop from HATING Don Orsillo. Sean McDonough and Jerry Remy are great together, Orsillo just blows.









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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by wordlife


      Compared what TX wanted from Boston (Manny, 10-15 million cash and a frontline prospect (Dumatrait, Shoppach, or De La Rosa)) the Yankees gave up chopped liver (Soriano is 28 years old (as we found out yesterday)thus he is in his prime and they will get a grade B prospect (who I have no idea as the Yankees only have two prospects left (a 19 year old pitcher and the catcher Navarro) furthermore ARod will only cost 16 million a year for the Yanks)

      Furthermore Dr Dirt, if the Sox could have got ARod at 16 million (as the yanks did), the Sox could go out and probably re-sign Pedro, Lowe and Tek...at 26 million you would have had to choose 2 of those 3 guys

      As for your comments about the other teams that won the W/S...the Angels got lucky (a team built on batting avg never succeeds (see 2003 angels)), the Marlins had young pitchers that all clicked at the right time and had solid clutch hitting, and the A's stay competitive b/c they draft college players who are able to come up and help the team immediately


    The fact is they could have had A-Rod if they wanted him. They chose not to. Fine, but don't cry fould now.

    That is my point with the Angels, they may not be able to keep them, nor can the A's but there is more involved than money. You just have to be smarter about it.

    Plus they really screwed up by not keeoing it more quiet.

    I don't like what the Yankees stand for but it's allowed.


I was just trying to point out the fact that Texas wanted a helluva lot more from the Sox to get the deal done versus the Yankees (giving up ARod (and 70 million cash) for a Grade B star (Soriano) and a middle of the road prospect versus getting the best hitter in baseball (Ramirez), a prospect that will be a starting catcher (Shoppach) or a middle of the rotation lefty (Dumatrait)and wanting 10-15 million cash, to me you look at what the Yankees gave up, its chopped liver!!! To me, if the Sox offered Nixon and one of their upper tier prospects, that would be about the same level of trade (Soriano still has a lot of holes in his game) I personally think this has to do a lot with Lucchino and yes some of it has to do with Hicks not wanting to look like a dumbass in front of his peers

The Angels have no problem with money (see Colon and Guerrero this year) and my point about that team is that they were a team that got lucky one year, they really were not "that good" ....it is pretty much impossible for a team with under a 90 million dollar payroll to be competitive (each year the As get less and less competitive)



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DrDirt: I am in favor of a salary cap only becasue the owners are too damn stupid to control themsleves.

The Salary Cap really doesn't have anything to do with the owners. Countless resolutions re: cap and revenue sharing have been offered and (in the case of revenue sharing) have been put into place. The owners in alleged "small markets" would rather put that money in their pockets than to spend it improving their teams, but that's only a small part of the issue (nothing says they *have* to spend it on their teams).

Bottom line here is the only person that will have any effect on a possible salary cap is Don Fehr, who represents the Players Association. If the players are not willing to agree to a salary cap, it will never happen - I have a feeling that another work stoppage would happen before a Cap was agreed to...

Whether that's right or wrong is a matter of personal opinion - regardless of the amounts of money involved, who in their right mind would agree to having a limit to how much they could earn? But, 20 years from now if there is no MLB, it's going to look awful shortsighted that the Players wouldn't do what's good for the game vs. what's good for their bankrolls. For reference - go back and review the evolution of Baseball Free Agency from the 70's-current.

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The funny thing about revenue sharing Steinbrenner is giving money to Carl Pohlad, one of the richest men in the world. It would take something biblical to happen for the players and that union to accept a salary cap.
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If the Red Sox payroll was 108 million, Henry would want the cap to be 109 million. Whiner.



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John Henry is a tool and he has made the Red Sox #1 on my hate list outside of the AL West.

That said, baseball needs a salary cap LESS than they need owners that actually put profits back into the team and not into their pockets, like certain AL Central managers (Carl Pohlad and David Glass, I'm looking at YOU)...

And is Boston #2 in revenue or is that Seattle? From what cursory information I recall, Seattle has somewhat of a really good radio contract plus a decent amount of exclusive money in Japan (not the TV revenue, unfortunately, which is divided up amongst all teams via MLB International).



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.23
John Henry is none to popular in South Florida either, for making so many promises, then high-tailing it out to Boston when things went sour. Henry is on par with Huizenga, who dismantled the '97 W.S. team, in terms of likability.



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