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|  #2 Posted on 18.2.03 0042.19 | Instant Rating: 5.54 |
Originally posted by Faggot
Anyone want to criticize the WWE after tonight's touching video tribute to Hennig?
I preferred Bradshaw's touching rememberance of Hennig
on the WWE.com website, especially the part about Curt
blowing off an indy show so that he could show up drunk
for a "celebrity" golf tournament with his buddy Traylor.
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| #3 Posted on 18.2.03 0739.47 | Where was the Genius Lanny Poffo, the Worlds Smartest Man, in the clips?
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| #4 Posted on 18.2.03 0927.47 | He was. I thought the video was excellent. Plus the gum swat tribute by Chris Jericho, was a nice tribute as well.
So no complaints here.
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| #5 Posted on 18.2.03 1018.46 | Instant Rating: 6.73 | Am I the only one who didn't like the tribute? I thought it was totally lazy. It was 90% old Mr. Perfect vignettes and 10% in-ring (or other non-vignette) moments. It's like they pulled out the "Introducing Mr. Perfect, 1988" Video from the archives and showed it in it's entirety.
I guess I would have preferred more stuff like clips from his best matches, memoriable ringside or live-skit moments, and a few more shots of his signiture moves. I think they only got one PerfectPlex in there. A couple more PerfectPlexes, a neck snap, the Clotheline (is that how you spell that?) sell that Rikishi does now, etc. would have all been appreciated.
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| #6 Posted on 18.2.03 1019.16 | Better late than never. Remember, it happened about a week ago, so it was a last minute thing. Nice job.
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| #7 Posted on 18.2.03 1026.28 |
Originally posted by MoeGates
Am I the only one who didn't like the tribute? I thought it was totally lazy. It was 90% old Mr. Perfect vignettes and 10% in-ring (or other non-vignette) moments. It's like they pulled out the "Introducing Mr. Perfect, 1988" Video from the archives and showed it in it's entirety.
I guess I would have preferred more stuff like clips from his best matches, memoriable ringside or live-skit moments, and a few more shots of his signiture moves. I think they only got one PerfectPlex in there. A couple more PerfectPlexes, a neck snap, the Clotheline (is that how you spell that?) sell that Rikishi does now, etc. would have all been appreciated.
i also thought it failed to really pay tribute to curt hennig the wrestler, as opposed to mr. perfect the character; it almost gave the impression to someone who had never seen him in the ring that they were trying to hide a lack of wrestling ability by not showing him in the ring. which is obviously not the case. | ICEMAN
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| #8 Posted on 18.2.03 1033.58 | Well, It had all the things i'll remember. The sport vignettes,the music,PerfectPlex,him wearing the IC title.
He still has the greatest entrance theme of all time.
I thought it was great.
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| #9 Posted on 18.2.03 1038.09 | Instant Rating: 10.00 | From the desk of Swordsman Yen
Nobody could've played the Mr. Perfect role better than Curt Hennig. From the football and ping-pong skits to the gumswat and towel-behind-the-back throw, Hennig was...well perfect for the role. Aside from his excellent moveset, I enjoyed the little things he did in the ring, like taking his opponent to the mat and walking on his back to taunt him. When WCW was halfway in the shitter, Hennig as the leader of the West Texas Rednecks was one of the few bright spots. Hennig was definitely one of those rare finds who could actually wrestle and be entertaining at the same time.
And who could forget..."Hulk Hogan, you can't do that!" :)
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| #10 Posted on 18.2.03 2042.42 |
Originally posted by ICEMAN
Well, It had all the things i'll remember. The sport vignettes,the music,PerfectPlex,him wearing the IC title.
He still has the greatest entrance theme of all time.
I thought it was great.
The music made the whole tribute that much better...it gave me the chills because when you hear that music, you think "Mr. Perfect". |  Parts Unknown
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| #11 Posted on 18.2.03 2055.51 | My favorite little segment, weirdly enough, was the one where he was sitting at the announce table. He turned the camera, cracked a huge grin, flipped his pencil into the air in a very elaborate way and caught it flawlessly. The look on his face...one of pure joy and happiness...just broke my heart.
A great video, in my opinion. Hopefully there will be much more on Confidential.
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| #12 Posted on 18.2.03 2119.37 |
Originally posted by Faggot
Originally posted by ICEMAN
Well, It had all the things i'll remember. The sport vignettes,the music,PerfectPlex,him wearing the IC title.
He still has the greatest entrance theme of all time.
I thought it was great.
The music made the whole tribute that much better...it gave me the chills because when you hear that music, you think "Mr. Perfect".
Unless you started watching after 1999, If so you think Shawn Stasiak. 
(edited by ICEMAN on 18.2.03 2120) | drjayphd
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| #13 Posted on 18.2.03 2150.02 |
Originally posted by ICEMAN
Originally posted by Faggot
Originally posted by ICEMAN
Well, It had all the things i'll remember. The sport vignettes,the music,PerfectPlex,him wearing the IC title.
He still has the greatest entrance theme of all time.
I thought it was great.
The music made the whole tribute that much better...it gave me the chills because when you hear that music, you think "Mr. Perfect".
Unless you started watching after 1999, If so you think Shawn Stasiak.
(edited by ICEMAN on 18.2.03 2120)
That's if you were watching WCW in 1999, though... and when he was in the throes of the PerfecShawn character, who WAS watching? 
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| #14 Posted on 18.2.03 2211.08 |
Originally posted by drjayphd
Originally posted by ICEMAN
Originally posted by Faggot
Originally posted by ICEMAN
Well, It had all the things i'll remember. The sport vignettes,the music,PerfectPlex,him wearing the IC title.
He still has the greatest entrance theme of all time.
I thought it was great.
The music made the whole tribute that much better...it gave me the chills because when you hear that music, you think "Mr. Perfect".
Unless you started watching after 1999, If so you think Shawn Stasiak.
(edited by ICEMAN on 18.2.03 2120)
That's if you were watching WCW in 1999, though... and when he was in the throes of the PerfecShawn character, who WAS watching?
Apparently just me.
And CRZ.
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| #15 Posted on 18.2.03 2322.53 |
Originally posted by sentonBOMB
Originally posted by MoeGates
Am I the only one who didn't like the tribute? I thought it was totally lazy. It was 90% old Mr. Perfect vignettes and 10% in-ring (or other non-vignette) moments. It's like they pulled out the "Introducing Mr. Perfect, 1988" Video from the archives and showed it in it's entirety.
I guess I would have preferred more stuff like clips from his best matches, memoriable ringside or live-skit moments, and a few more shots of his signiture moves. I think they only got one PerfectPlex in there. A couple more PerfectPlexes, a neck snap, the Clotheline (is that how you spell that?) sell that Rikishi does now, etc. would have all been appreciated.
i also thought it failed to really pay tribute to curt hennig the wrestler, as opposed to mr. perfect the character; it almost gave the impression to someone who had never seen him in the ring that they were trying to hide a lack of wrestling ability by not showing him in the ring. which is obviously not the case.
BITCH BITCH BITCH!!
First people bitched about Henning only receiving the black screen treatment. Then we get that AND a Confidential piece this week and STILL some aren't satisfied! It just perpetuates the stereotype that the IWC only finds the negative in every situation.
And no, that video doesn't give the impression that they were trying to hide a lack of wrestling ability. What it does show is that his death is a BIG deal and we should all stop and reflect on how important he was to the business. | Boston Idol
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| #16 Posted on 19.2.03 0044.49 | Instant Rating: 5.54 | : What it does show is that his death is a BIG deal
: and we should all stop and reflect on how important
: he was to the business.
Okay, let's reflect on how important Curt Hennig was
to the business. Was he more important than Bobby
Eaton or Arn Anderson? Probably not. He might have
been a better worker depending on who you ask, but
no one is going to confuse the West Texas Outlaws
with the Midnight Express or the Horsemen.
Sure, we all remember Mr. Perfect, but we remember
lots of Vince McMahon's "unique" WWF Superstars.
I probably remember more from the Bossman character
than I remember from the Mr. Perfect character,
though I certainly preferred Hennig to Ray Traylor.
Was Hennig more important than Lex Luger? Not even
close. Luger was a poor worker, but he was a bigger
star chasing Flair than Hennig was holding the AWA
title, he was pushed harder with the Lex Express
than Hennig was as Mr. Perfect, and his jump to
Nitro and his match with Hogan were major news while
Hennig's arrival in WCW was just a blip on the radar.
No doubt Curt Hennig's death is a big deal to his
family, his friends, and some of his fans, but it
shouldn't be a big deal to the industry. We could
name two dozen people from his era who were more
important to their promotions than he was to his.
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| #17 Posted on 19.2.03 0114.11 | | I was hoping for just one, "now you're gonna see...A PREFECT-PLEX!!" | Tribal Prophet
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|  #18 Posted on 19.2.03 0131.00 | Boston Idol, I find it hard to believe that you can say that Perfect's death shouldn't be treated as a big deal because he wasn't one. The guy was GOLD to watch. The company was constucted around guys like him and Shawn Michaels when Hulk and Warrior were on top the same way WCW was constructed around the Cruisers when the NWO was on top. He was the complete package in the ring, and ANYONE watching wrestling back then will tell you that without the back injury, Perfect would have moved up to main eventing the same way that Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels did. He was THAT GOOD.
You can't tell me that Perfect wasn't important to the promotion without being able to somehow explain how Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels weren't important either, because the three of them were a lot the same.
I doubt people could name 24 people from back then (and since I've seen a baiting-trend in some threads lately, this ISN'T a request for a list) more important than Hennig. Not unless you don't fully understand what having "Mr. Perfect" on the card meant to someone watching.
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|  #19 Posted on 19.2.03 0134.39 | bring on the woo,
with a whole bucket of yeah!
congrats wwe, touching and inspiring at the same time. but still bringing out the perfect
...But remember this. ROCK...CRUSHES...SCISSORS...but scissors cuts paper...and paper wraps rock...KIFF, we have a conundrum.
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| #20 Posted on 19.2.03 0214.04 | Originally posted by Boston Idol
: Okay, let's reflect on how important Curt Hennig was
to the business. Was he more important than Bobby
Eaton or Arn Anderson? Probably not. He might have
been a better worker depending on who you ask, but
no one is going to confuse the West Texas Outlaws
with the Midnight Express or the Horsemen.
Sure, we all remember Mr. Perfect, but we remember
lots of Vince McMahon's "unique" WWF Superstars.
I probably remember more from the Bossman character
than I remember from the Mr. Perfect character,
though I certainly preferred Hennig to Ray Traylor.
Was Hennig more important than Lex Luger? Not even
close. Luger was a poor worker, but he was a bigger
star chasing Flair than Hennig was holding the AWA
title, he was pushed harder with the Lex Express
than Hennig was as Mr. Perfect, and his jump to
Nitro and his match with Hogan were major news while
Hennig's arrival in WCW was just a blip on the radar.
No doubt Curt Hennig's death is a big deal to his
family, his friends, and some of his fans, but it
shouldn't be a big deal to the industry. We could
name two dozen people from his era who were more
important to their promotions than he was to his.
Frank
I think actually, Hennig's influence on the business is a lot larger than you think. To say Luger was a bigger star is certainly valid, but Luger "chasing Flair" was watched by a fraction of the audience that watched Hennig "chasing Hogan".
Hennig's death got a lot of mainstream pub...I doubt Luger's would make a CNN ticker. And I don't like Luger but let's hope we never find out. Lex is another guy who used steroids heavy so I fear for him.
Lex's pushes were crap. As WCW Champion he was a menial draw and his Lex Express thing didn't draw a dime. Please note the fact that Vince poured more money, airtime, and marketing into the Lex push than he ever put into a push of any superstar to that point in the company's history. Including Hogan. In fact, later, Hart got over but not with such enthusiatic backing from the company in such an obvious way. Even HBK, who was pushed huge and given the last long reign ever of a babyface wrestling Champion in North America (8 months in '96) was not invested in as Luger was. So you can't say lex was a big success.
Hennig's influence is huge. For 1, he was pinpointed at the time he went down with that back injury as the guy who was going to take Flair's spot as the best wrestler in the business in North America at the time. Ask Meltz. He was that good.
Also, while most people credit Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels with this, Hennig was certainly an earlier defining moment in the campaign all smarks have indoctrinated: that a small man could be taken seriously in the time of the big men. Before Bret Hart had his first singles push Hennig was an occasional headliner against Hogan and the matches were well-received. Hennig was a non-bodybuilder and while certainly well-built, you can't say he was in the mould of most of Hogan's heel foils from 1984-1990. Even mid-sized men Hogan faced during that period, most notably Savage and Orndorff, were jacked to the maximum of any point in their careers during their programs with Hulk. And Perfect, in his prime, looked quite small compared with those guys during their Hogan runs.
Hennig wrestled a great style, a quick style but it was mat-based and unspectacular. It was the style that I think has been adapted by Benoit and Jericho and Guerrero and Angle today. It was not being used by anyone else on the WWF stage at the time. Savage was essentially a brawler. Orndorff had a lot of power in his arsenal. Hennig was a wrestler. He got over wrestling. And yes, he had the Mr. Perfect gimmick but if we're going to call that a gimmick let's be legitmate about the assessment and acknowledge that it barely qualifies as a gimmick. It's not like Undertaker where there's a clear, obvious tone that comes with it. It wasn't even as gimmicky per se as the Million Dollar Man persona was. Mr. Perfect was a cocky heel with a name and a phrase thrown in. Calling that a gimmick in the same sentence you call, for example, Kamala's character a gimmick is a little selective.
Finally, in 1992 an anti-establishment babyface in North America was unthinkable. We later saw Austin go on around 1997 to be the first heel that everyone loved and cheered for. In 1992, Perfect played almost exactly the same character that he played orginally as a heel. There were few differences outside of who he focused his attentions on (heels instead of faces). People dug him and bought the face turn. He didn't like doing it, but the fact is 5 years before Austin did it and "shocked" everyone, I was putting on my "wrestling historian" cap and saying "well Mr. Perfect did it 5 years ago".
Surely...Surely these accomplishments "affected the business". No one's going to say Perfect had the Austin or Hogan effect where he was a top star. But he changed the way business was conducted and the way perceptions were geared. Surely that is a greater impact than Luger's...
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