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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.47
Just so we're clear, the dress code issue is why Punk lost the way he did (squash-ish) and in the opening match. He probably was going to be losing the title regardless.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.75
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by kentish
      Punk's "actions" may have been the reason it happened the way it did (a glorified squash).


    A glorified squash involves kicking out of the Last Ride and once again countering Old School?


Seriously. Michaels at WrestleMania is the only guy who comes to mind immediately who kicked out of the Last Ride. Punk was given a lot in the match once again. The only thing he wasn't given was the victory. That was the disappointing part. The booking of the finish aside, the match was very good once again.

I'm not sure some of you know what a 'squash' match is. That means one side gets no offense, or at the very least the match is totally one sided. Undertaker and Punk have had three matches and they've all been give and take scenarios where Punk gives as good as he gets. Last night's match had the same but with a clean decisive finish in favor of the Undertaker. Hardly a squash. (Not saying I didn't want the opposite outcome and am not disappointed by the booking and placement on the card, but that was no squash.)

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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.52
As good as the previous Batista/UT series was, it peaked early and got worse as it went on. I have no desire to see a rerun two years on, especially with a hobbled Undertaker. At least DAVE looks motivated at the moment. Couldn't we go for Undertaker Vs. Jericho instead?
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.17
    Originally posted by lotjx
    The first Hell in a Cell, HHH/Foley, Foley/Taker, Austin/Taker, Six pack hell in a cell and others. It wasn't until recently that there was no blood like the Edge/Taker. I do think that without blood the match is just a giant cage match and not the be all end all match it was supposed to be.

    If the CM punk story is true, then WWE has lost its dam mind. Punk is one of their break out stars and if they bury him then its not going to lead to anything good. This pecking order crap has got to stop to. Its not the old good days anymore and if someone asks a reasonable question about a policy they shouldn't be punished. Punk is at least doing his job with people booing unlike Cena. Cena's star has faded of late and he is not going to be the breakout transcendent star like Rock, Austin or Hogan. At this point, Cena is there to the PG Superman champ for the kiddies.


When did Austin and Taker have a HIAC? And I do agree that the match needs more violence to put it over. HHH/HBK and HHH/Nash didn't have blood though did they?



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.05
    Originally posted by InVerse
    I think you're confusing the people that post on boards such as this one with the fans. The fans love The Undertaker and consider him taking the title from Punk to be a good thing.
True, but Undertaker is old and hurting. He won't be working a full-time schedule. Punk was great in his role and they so badly need to build up new stars and the only way to do that is to have them beat the established stars in a way that matters. Not that every young guy has to beat every old guy, but this was not the time to beat Punk, and Undertaker was not the guy to do it.
    Originally posted by kentish
    I always thought guys looked funny giving a promo in the ring wearing a t-shirt and briefs, so I can see why they might want him to dress differently.
It's the out-of-the-ring dress code that's the issue.
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    If the dress code story is the true reason for this, I'm hopeful that as a new babyface champion that the Undertaker, in his role as a locker room leader, breaks out the Ric Flair style suits so that he sets a good example in public for the company.
I read this long ago so it (like every other bit of backstage gossip) may not be true, but I had heard that for gimmick reasons, Cena and Undertaker were exempt from the dress code. I can see that - Cena has his own style and would look weird in a dress shirt and tie in a casual situation. Of course, so would Punk.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.23
I meant Kane/Austin even though Taker/Austin would have been a better blow off for their feud. I do think Nash and HBK bleed in their matches with HHH, I could be wrong though. I also wouldn't say that Punk got squashed either, he got in some offense and did kick out of the last ride. I am more curious where this leads to the screw-job of Taker storyline or is that going to be dropped?
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.63
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Yet, I wonder it is going to last since UFC crushed Raw this week.


Raw's ratings are roughly where they were at the start of the year and (broadly speaking) ahead of where they were at this time last year. For a show in the midsts of changing its target audience that's pretty good going, no?

Besides, Kimbo Slice won't be fighting Roy Nelson* every week.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    The new PG format blows. I understand there are reasons for it, ie keeping Cena strong


I suspect you may have cause and effect the wrong way round there.

*Granted, not a major part of the draw, but he totally should be. Dude's hilarious!
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#28 Posted on
On the topic of the dress code, when Raw came through Canada a few weeks ago John Cena did some promotional pieces for Canadian broadcaster The Score in their studios, and he was decked out in a suit for all of them. That may have been at the insistence of Gilette, which Cena is a sponsor for and was also plugging at the time, but it does show that sometimes the dress code applies to him too.

And yes, it does look as silly as it sounds to see Cena in a suit.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Cena's star has faded of late and he is not going to be the breakout transcendent star like Rock, Austin or Hogan. At this point, Cena is there to the PG Superman champ for the kiddies.

Cena's 1 of, if not *the*, top money-makers for the company. I fail to see how his "star has faded". Besides, *nobody* on the roster is going to be a "breakout transcendent" star, so it really unfair to compare him to the likes of Hogan/Austin/Rock. Those guys are few and far between.

Also, the "only kids like Cena!" sentiment is completely worn out. The guy is really good (his promos should be less scripted by the writing monkeys, though). It's OK to like him if you are an adult (male, even!).



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.74
    Originally posted by KJames199
    His story - and he does mention that he didn't know the exact conversation - was that Undertaker went to Punk and suggested that Punk should dress better since he is the champion and representing the company and whatnot. Punk said "what about Cena?" since Cena doesn't have to follow the dress code. The story got back to the office, who took it as Punk saying he was as big a star as Cena, and we see what happened.


What I find really funny out of all this is that big bad ass Undertaker immediately ran like a little girl to management and cried/snitched about Punk refusing to dress up because of Cena.

Oh yeah, I could really "respect" a lockeroom leader like that.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.17
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I meant Kane/Austin even though Taker/Austin would have been a better blow off for their feud. I do think Nash and HBK bleed in their matches with HHH, I could be wrong though. I also wouldn't say that Punk got squashed either, he got in some offense and did kick out of the last ride. I am more curious where this leads to the screw-job of Taker storyline or is that going to be dropped?


I thought that was dropped when he kidnapped Long and Long made Punk defend it in HIAC (and when did Kane/Austin have one? =P They had a match the day after KOTR 98 which had a HIAC. And I don't think Foley intentionally bled in that one!)



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
The misplaced priorities are staggering. Punk loses a title because they don't like the way he dresses, while the guy who has failed multiple drug tests AND sexually harrassed co-workers becomes a *six-time* world champion on the same show. And before he's 30. Never mind that Punk is a far better wrestler and mic guy.

Granted, Punk has also been given three title reigns, which isn't bad, but he has been made to look weak in all of them. He's taken non-title losses while champ, had few successful defenses, and lost the title quickly, and this was after two of the title wins were cheap ones as a result of Money In The Bank. They had a chance to really establish a star here, which the company desperately needs, and blew it.

I don't even think they had to put Punk over Taker, but at the very least they could have built up some credibility for Punk first. There was a feud with Matt Hardy *right there* as a result of the fallout from Punk's feud with Jeff; there probably would have been no better time to give Matt some main events. Let Punk get decent wins in title defenses over, say, Rey and John Morrison, and then if you want Taker to beat him, it means more and Punk doesn't look like a fluke champion.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.34
While I agree with a lot of what's been said, I can't agree that Matt Hardy was ready to run in the main event, even after what happened to Jeff. I've always liked Matt, but there just seems to be something missing there and I don't know that I would've taken him as a credible contender for the title.

I mainly felt ripped off by last night's PPV more than anything because of the Cell matches themselves. While I enjoyed DX/Legacy (and actually do think it builds up Legacy), it shouldn't have been the main event. And the other two matches just seemed...off. There was just a general lack of intensity, especially in the Taker/Punk match. No passion, no hatred, tepid violence...it just didn't feel like a big deal match. Cena/Orton was better, but, again, ultraviolence was promised and little was delivered. I actually like Orton's psycho character and enjoy the little nuances and mannerisms - it means I can tell who his character is just by the way he works in the ring. But the horrible choke while Cena was in the ropes was just a chinlock and looked like it, so Cena's passing out seemed silly. The weakness of the punt didn't help either.

On the plus side, Jerishow, Morrison and Kofi winning all made me happy. Kofi in particular, who I always think is about to lose the belt pretty much every month, but then pulls it out. It's something when you've been champ for as long as he has and yet still always seem like the underdog.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41
It's now being reported on the Internet that the entire dress code story was a work designed to rile up people who don't buy T-shirts from WWE Shop Zone.

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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.21
"CM Punk is in the doghouse" is one of those constantly retreaded pieces of internet wrestling news lore right up there with "Randy Savage molested Stephanie McMahon."
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.31
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    Also, the "only kids like Cena!" sentiment is completely worn out. The guy is really good (his promos should be less scripted by the writing monkeys, though). It's OK to like him if you are an adult (male, even!).
I haven't found any Cena promos entertaining since his rap gimmick.

Heel Cena raps > every other promo he's ever done.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.47
    Originally posted by Alex
    "CM Punk is in the doghouse" is one of those constantly retreaded pieces of internet wrestling news lore right up there with "Randy Savage molested Stephanie McMahon."


"Internet wrestling news lore" is one of those constantly retreaded pieces of smarkish commentary that ignores when actual journalism and reporting has taken place.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41
    Originally posted by hansen9j
    "Internet wrestling news lore" is one of those constantly retreaded pieces of smarkish commentary that ignores when actual journalism and reporting has taken place.


The last time actual journalism and reporting took place regarding wrestling, David Schultz got suspended by the New York State Athletic Commission.
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.46
    Originally posted by Oliver
      Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
      Also, the "only kids like Cena!" sentiment is completely worn out. The guy is really good (his promos should be less scripted by the writing monkeys, though). It's OK to like him if you are an adult (male, even!).
    I haven't found any Cena promos entertaining since his rap gimmick.

    Heel Cena raps > every other promo he's ever done.


I agree. Cena is just not very good at all. When he is in hardcore matches, he is pretty good (Umaga at Royal Rumble, last month's I Quit against Orton). Most of the time however, his matches are not good.

That being said, it made no sense for Orton to win last night, and especially clean as a sheet. We don't have a story to this like the Punk dress code saga (by the way, fuck you WWE for that), but there has to be something to this title change. I'm only hoping this means they think Taker vs. Orton can draw at Bragging Rights, or that they want to hold off on Taker vs. Cena until perhaps Wrestlemania 26.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.64
I honestly believe that 99% of the HEAT stories you hear about Punk is made up just to get the internet all hot and bothered and vocal, just to try to make Punk look like a Martyr and enhance the Jesus complex that his internet fanbase carries toward him, in order to try to force more people to take notice of him.

I know in this case "credible" reporters are saying it as well, but it's such an old and worn out narrative that I tend to think even they are actively LOOKING for ways that they can still point and scream "Look! Punk's being screwed! Punk's being screwed! How dare they!?!"






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