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After a year away from the ring, Lennox Lewis apparently will be returning to the ring on June 21st in LA against Vitali Klitschko. And, as a double break, unlike the Kirk Johnson fight that was to be non-title, this fight will be for the WBA and WBO titles. So, a white guy fighting for the World Title and its not going to cost 50 bucks a pop. HBO might top Soprano season premiere ratings for this one. I'll go out on a limb and say Lewis is looking ahead to Jones, is rusty, and will get knocked out in the 8th round.



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Lewis is going to slaughter Klitschko and end this fight in 4 or less. Hell, I would put money on Lewis vs. both of those poseur stiff brothers back to back against Lennox. Clear out the big deadwood and let's get Jones vs. Lewis up and ready to go.



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Speaking of deadwood, Jones wants to fight Holyfield in November and if that doesn't come through to fight Lewis.

Just imagine how much things will get messed up if Klitschko does win...



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    Originally posted by Grimis
    >Just imagine how much things will get messed up if Klitschko does win...


I'd like to say "No need to." but VK *does* have a puncher's chance. I think Lennox will KO Klitschko in 3 or less, especially after seeing how his brother folded up like a cheap suit against Sanders.



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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    After a year away from the ring, Lennox Lewis apparently will be returning to the ring on June 21st in LA against Vitali Klitschko.


Damn, a year? How long are you allowed to go between title defenses before you get stripped of them?



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30 days :-)
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WBO, WBA, WBC, IBF, and all the others should unite under the generalized acronym WTF

The only title that matters is the Ring Magazine title, which can only be lost in the ring or through retirement.

In a perfect world, there'd still be such thing as a fighting champion. But this is boxing.

I suspect Lennox won't fight Tyson again unless he's earmarking it as his retirement fight. I think he's now more interested in trying to beat any of the up-and-comers suggested as heirs to the throne. Each one he takes out will further perpetuate his legacy into the future. Plus, many of them are probably "safer" fights than some wily veteran who's willing to give everything he has for even a little taste of the gold. Or Roy Jones.

I don't think a well-prepared Lewis will have any trouble with Klitschko. That said, there's no guarantee we'll see a well-prepared Lewis.




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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22

    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze

      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      After a year away from the ring, Lennox Lewis apparently will be returning to the ring on June 21st in LA against Vitali Klitschko.


    Damn, a year? How long are you allowed to go between title defenses before you get stripped of them?



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I think a title has to be defended at least twice a year, depending on the organization.

A mandatory challenger is supposed to get a shot within a year or the champ is to be stripped. But with exemptions (in most cases payoffs) requested by the champ, they are able to take other fights. It's really all political.

Roy Jones Jr. was stripped of his IBF light-heavyweight title for taking the Ruiz fight. When he would normally get exemptions.

Lennox Lewis was gonna give up one of his belts cuz he didn't think the mandatory was worthy. He basically sold it to Don King.

Kostya Tszyu was gonna go for an exemption at the risk of being branded a coward, but has decided to take his ass-whippin like a man. Which I'm glad to hear.

Concerning the Lewis/Klitschko fight, I hate to say it but Lewis is gonna kill him in 1-2 rounds like with Golotta or Grant. When he's scared, he's a monster. He is also as smart as he is strong, check his court activities.

I hope to God that RJ doesn't fight Lennox. I'd like to see him in a real fight but not get killed. Lewis would be a big poontang and would lay on him and use his jab all night to an eventual K.O like he did Tyson.



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Kostya Tszyu is going to kill anyone they put up against him. It's a shame he has to fight a mandatory, because he's make a ton of money against Arturo Gatti right now.



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I am not sure there is a boxer in the world that can compete with Lewis. Jones, will get taken to school when/if he faces Lewis, and Tyson got it once, not sure if he wants to come back for seconds.

Pound for Pound Lewis is the greatest boxer this side of the early 80's.








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Not trying to start a debate or nothing but, just a few quick things:

1. Kostya is one of my favorite fighters, but his days are numbered. When he fights Sharmba Mitchell again, it is over. And rightfully so, since he was cheating so bad in the 1st fight.

Quite frankly, the smarter move would have been to fight Gatti. So I respect him for taking the fight. Even Gatti wanted no parts of Mitchell.

2. P4P means, no matter what fighting weight, they got the skillz. A 6'5 250 lb Floyd Mayweather or Oscar DLH, would school Lennox Lewis. What I mean is, in a platform were size was not a factor, he would not be as effective.

He is definately in the top 5 of all time heavyweights though. His chin is a bit weak, but he's smart enough not to be so careless with real competition.



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I'm sorry, but Lewis is not even close to a top 5 heavyweight of all time. He has had longevity due to lack of competition and fighting the big names when they have nothing left to offer. But just in the last 20 years Tyson pre-jail would have slaughtered him, Larry Holmes would have taken him down, Holyfield in his prime would have probably gutted out a decision, and Riddick Bowe would have beaten him more often than not. And that's without even going back into the Ali/Frazier/Foreman era. Lewis is a very good heavyweight fighter, but he's not among the best of all time. Perhaps he could have proven himself to be with better competition, but much like Larry Holmes he never had that defining opponent he needed to prove himself. Had Bowe/Lewis been able to be worked out perhaps that might have been it. But for now there's just not enough to go on.

As for Kostya I think Mitchell will give him a very good fight, and I would call it too close to call. At this point though I would also say that with McGirt having remolded him if Gatti didn't leave everything in the ring with Ward that he would be a rough fight for Mitchell, Tzsyu, Judah, or even the possibly moving up Mayweather Jr.



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Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Lennox Lewis fan. He's still a titty baby (mom lives in), no woman, no kids, OWNS A POODLE, and publicly stated that he likes to stand naked in front of the mirror. Each of these things by themselves wouldn't sound so bad, but put it together and he sounds more like an interior decorator.

Seriously, It's cool that there are other boxing fans here. Allow me to give a little more insight on my previous post.

He moves very very well for a guy his size. A good example would be his fight with David Tua, sure it was boring, but he won hands down.

A young Tyson MAY have won with the proper people around him. He didn't get crazy like that overnight. His main thing was intimidation. Tyson was/is my boy, but really, most of his fights back then were won before the 1st bell. Since he did have that one punch power and was still using combos back then, he would have had a damn good chance.

A young Tyson and a young Lewis did spar before and Tyson was with Cus D' Amato at the time. I believe it was pretty much even. This is also when Cus predicted that they would be meeting for a title one day.

Larry Holmes....it would be ugly, cuz Larry never had that one shot power that would be needed to beat Lewis. From the Holmes fights I seen before, besides that jab, he wouldn't have much for Lewis. After all, He did lose to Michael Spinks at least once for sure.

Riddick Bowe was someone that I thought could beat Lewis, that is until I saw Bowe throw the belt in the trash, he can say it was for whatever reason. But like when RJ was talking about Tarver, "I'll fight his ass for a Happy Meal". Bowe would not fight for his own title. Turns out Lewis TKO'd him in the Olympics before, maybe it would have been different but Bowe didn't want to find out.

Holyfield did as much as would ever be able to do in their 2nd fight, it's just not enough. Maybe Tua can K.O him in a possible rematch, cuz that's pretty much the only way he would lose. Only a young Ali would have been able to outbox him, but hardly anyone else. Sorta like Vernon Forrest, boring but effective.

Only guy in history that I think could beat Lewis w/o a doubt would be the pre-Ali George Foreman. They were almost identical, except for little things like, Foreman owned a leapord or a lion and not a poodle. Oh I dis-like Lewis alot but the guy can fight.



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I think Lewis is an upper-echelon heavyweight, but not a Top 5 heavyweight. That said, I think the only chance most any heavyweight from history would have against Lewis would be to score the one-punch KO that Lewis has been susceptable to. (Except Ali pre-draft, I think that him and Lewis would've looked a lot like Jones-Ruiz. And pre-Douglas Tyson.) Who in history has the combination of size and skills that Lennox has? Rocky Marciano? Too small. Evander? Too small. Larry Holmes? Too small. George? Too small.

Lennox Lewis is the greatest BIG heavyweight ever. A great big man almost always beats a great smaller man. I think Lennox would win most matchups with the great heavyweights of all-time.

I also don't think it's that fair to knock Lennox for having a glass chin. He got KO'd clean by McCall and Rahman, but I don't think any heavyweight would've taken those shots. With the heavyweights so big now I don't think you can be surprised when any heavyweight KO's any other one, like Sanders/Klitschko.



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Lewis did not get KO'd clean by McCall at all. That was a bullshit stoppage. However:

and Riddick Bowe would have beaten him more often than not.

Tell me you didn't say that. Riddick "duck Lennox for like, five years" Bowe? That match is over before the bell rings.

I say Lewis is a top 10, but not top 5 heavyweight of all time. I agree that a guy with a good chin and one-punch knockout power can beat Lewis. That's Louis and Foreman in their prime easily, plus a few other guys maybe. He's usually in the lower top 10 of the current pound-for-pound rankings.

Back to Tzsyu - His utter dismantling of Zab Judah made me a believer. Anyone that beat a Brooklyn Boy like that has my respect. Plus he beat my (well past his prime though) 2nd favorite boxer of all time, Julio Ceaser Chavez. He's the most underrated boxer out there, and always makes my top-5 pound-for-pound list. He's going to murder Shamba Mitchell.

Also up on the murder list - Laila Ali, who is a serious idiot to risk her moneymaking potential by getting her ass handed to her by Lucia Rjiker.

(edited by MoeGates on 13.6.03 1939)


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    Originally posted by Socks
    I am not sure there is a boxer in the world that can compete with Lewis. Jones, will get taken to school when/if he faces Lewis, and Tyson got it once, not sure if he wants to come back for seconds.



Of course, both fights scream "MONEY!!!" (well...the Tyson one not so much, but don't tell the boxing brass), so both fights will go down eventually.

I also think Jones would get his block knocked off, but I want to see how long he can at least hang.

And for those who think Klitschko doesn't stand a chance...well, does the name "Haseem Rahman" ring any bells?

(edited by It's False on 15.6.03 1612)



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    Originally posted by It's False
    And for those who think Klitschko doesn't stand a chance...well, does the name "Haseem Rahman" ring any bells?








Hmmm...Rahman knocked out an out-of-shape, unfocused Lewis with a lucky shot in 5. (Every time we watch "Ocean's Eleven" my wife resurrects Lennox's "I even had time to make a movie" quote from the prefight press conference, accent and all. It kills me every time even though I know it's coming.) Lewis, in-shape and looking for revenge, KO'd Rahman in 4, quite easily. I still say Klitschko's only got the "lucky shot" chance, and that's not so much because of either fighters' strengths or weaknesses, but the fact that with such huge guys that lucky shot is more possible to happen than ever.

I also think Rahman deserves third fight with Lewis, but I don't think he'd win.



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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Also up on the murder list - Laila Ali, who is a serious idiot to risk her moneymaking potential by getting her ass handed to her by Lucia Rjiker.

    (edited by MoeGates on 13.6.03 1939)



I hope that is a typo of some sort. I haven't heard anything about that. Laila is my future baby-mama and that's one ass-whippin I DON'T wanna see. I actually lust...love them both. But Rjiker is an animal although Laila has heart. Honestly if I was to buy a female boxing PPV, that would be the one. That's a tough one to call.





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My bad - separate bouts on the Lewis undercard. They're not even in the same weight class (but close enough it might happen someday).

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing-news/kjll3005.php

First mixing up Henry Hyde and Orrin Hatch and now this. If I keep it up I'm going to land a job with the New York Times.



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