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Since: 15.1.02
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#1 Posted on
Say it ain't so Vince. Of course he can try but it may not be successful. I hope that it's not going in that direction. But Flair's "mistakes" are too obvious not to notice. As soon as he said the Big Show was Austin's partner, I knew the Show was gonna turn. Doesn't the wrestler usually volunteer to be a partner? or the the boss tells them that there gonna wrestle. It would of been alot more believable had Big Show offered to be Austin's partner.

It is common knowledge that the fans really determine who's a heel or not. There are too many examples to list. Flair can try it, but if I remember correctly, his last heel turn in WCW was a failure. When he was the champ and commish, people still cheered for him and they tried everything to get him over, just didn't work. The nWo has already started to become stale, so I can see why they needed to add someone else. But not Flair, I hope I'm wrong, does anyone else see where this might be going?



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by NEO
    It is common knowledge that the fans really determine who's a heel or not.
What about Triple H and Edge and Christian? Both examples had strong runs as the top heels of their various divisions and were cheered by fans for quite some time, despite their Heelish ways.



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#3 Posted on

    Doesn't the wrestler usually volunteer to be a partner? or the the boss tells them that there gonna wrestle. It would of been alot more believable had Big Show offered to be Austin's partner.



Ric left the NWO's room for a moment before coming back to announce the Big Show as Austin's partner. Maybe Show "just happened" to be walking by when Ric went out looking for a new partner for Austin, and volunteered off camera, so it would look like Ric just picked him when that wasn't true at all, as a part of NWO's continuing campaign to make Austin think that Ric is secretly NWO.

I think one of the best ways to do a face-face fued is to have a heel who is manipulating the faces to mistrust each other to further the heel's ends. Like E+C used to do to the Hardyz and Dudleyz way back when.

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#4 Posted on
That's what I'm saying Papercuts, the fans still cheered them but they were SUPPOSED to be booed. Triple H could get real heat for sure. But E & C were just pranksters.

Flair will more than likely not be hated for the rest of his career, sorta like the Rock and Austin.

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I think Flair is going heel. All the recent events point back to his first two draft choices. The fact that he is trying to make the fans believe he is still good is even more proof.

That said, I donít like it. I donít know why you have to have an asshole owner these days. I like the ďowner in perilĒ that Flair was doing. Itís kind of like when Foley or face Regal were commissioners. If we have heel owners running both shows then whatís the point?




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#6 Posted on
Like I wrote in the Raw thoughts thread, I think it's obvious that Flair is going heel, but what I also see is not nesessarly Big Show joining the NWO but him being Flairs lacky (just like when Flair called upon him to remove Vince on Raw is Flair episode 1)but I might give them too much credit for remembering something that happened a month ago.



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#7 Posted on
I wouldn't be surprised if Vince writes himself off TV for a while, leaving Flair the sole heel owner.

Flair always has the same cycle. Comes back, gets a big face pop, rides the "legend" face thing for a while, slowly turns heel, jobs out in a career match, and back to "gone to flowers, everyone." 10-1 the same thing happens now.

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#8 Posted on
Hmm, a heel turn by flair. Gee, we've never EVER seen that happen before in like the past 30 years of wrestling history.




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If he's in his last run on tv then i think it would be great to see him as a heel sometime. I just dont know if now is the time or not. But hey if they can make it work (but austin? sheesh) then good for them.



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#10 Posted on
What do you mean, Flair cannot get heel heat?
He is up against 'the god of all faces himself' Austin.
The man that can kill a truckload of nuns and get cheered for it.
He is slowly losing it, and if one man is possible of pulling it off its Flair.
If they do a quick 'austin walks into flair's fist' heel turn it will suck, but a slow brewing suspicion that Ric might be up to something will rule all, and can work.

Also remember this is WWF, not WCW where everybody wanted to cheer him because he was the only thing that still had history and was interesting.

One thing though, he should play the crazed vengeful insane mofo, not the guy who looks at first row and yells about space mountain, and showing some fat boy's woman why he still is the best ride.



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#11 Posted on
The problem is that Flair's drawing value drops a LOT when he turns heel. It's happened everytime he's turned heel in the past 5 years.

At least this time he'll finally put Austin over, like he should've done 7 years ago.




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One of the things I always liked the most about Flair was him turning when it suited his needs. His NWA days were classic. He would go off to an interpromotional event and lose to either Harly or Dusty and be turn face in NWA cause another promotion had the belt. The whole roster would rally behind him till he got it back. He would then show up with the belt and then turn back heel EVERY time. I think a lot of people missed that part of why he is THE MAN. It was good stuff.



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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
    The problem is that Flair's drawing value drops a LOT when he turns heel. It's happened everytime he's turned heel in the past 5 years.

    At least this time he'll finally put Austin over, like he should've done 7 years ago.



That is because he wasn't used the right way.
People wanted to cheer for him and yet he turned for hardly any reason (talking about late WCW) while they just wanted to cheer WOOOOO! and watch him blow a fuse.
Now they are building towards something, and it could work.

Btw, I am not even sure that he will turn heel eventually..
This little storyline is pretty cool (first flair vs taker now flair vs austin) and it might go any direction still...




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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by dMp
    He is up against 'the god of all faces himself' Austin.
    The man that can kill a truckload of nuns and get cheered for it.



That's damn true, I bet he could too. Austin IS the man, anybody would get booed against him. Flair might use that 'To be the man, you have to beat the man' saying as his motivation. There's definately a pattern there with Flair turning heel after comebacks and he just hasn't been able to do it like he used too.

That's a good point you made about his attempts when WCW was still alive. That makes sense, there was really nothing left to believe in for the fans during it's final years. Since he hasn't tried it in the WWF yet, it may work.

It's not like the last time he was there, the fans are alot smarter now. During his first encounter with Hogan, he was red hot, that angle was the bomb. He had the WCW belt and everything; plus he had Heenan with him. Now in the new generation of fans, he's like an icon, a symbol. Most of the WWF guys' idol growing up.

Maybe he'll get booed out of respect since that's the reaction he may want. We'll have to see; because right now it is still unknown which way he'll go. But me myself, he'd have to do something really f*'d up to be a heel, like be caught on G-TV in the shower with Pat Patterson. No offense to, y'know, gay people; but that would get him over as a heel big time.

I think having at least one face owner would be better. It depends on how much Mr. McMahon likes/dislikes him. But I don't know why Vince fed Flair to the Undertaker. It was pretty pathetic, much like Flair/Goldberg, or Larry Holmes vs. Tyson if you will. I couldn't watch it, hopefully he won't turn though. I don't think he can.



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#15 Posted on
You don't even need to try to keep Flair heelish. Just have him keep making 'mistakes' around Austin (not seeing the foot, TBS turning, etc.) Have some Flair interference go the wrong way unintentionally, have the other midcarders spread Just Joe-style rumors to Austin, keep the paranoia high between them. Eventually, Flair just snaps and cuts a promo that basically says "You think I've been TRYING to screw you? Well, let's see how you like it when I AM screwing you!" With a little careful planning it can look fresh and not turn into Austin v. McMahon 409234823842.
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#16 Posted on
Yeah CubsWoo, I like your idea, but I also think that they should have some scenes be caught where Flair is trying to manipulate Austin. It would be revealed that these scenes were from say.....lets just say awhile ago. Then the fans would realize that Flair had been screwing Austin all along, and had lied about it just like the dirtiest player in the game would be expected to do. I think that would rock.



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#17 Posted on
What happens if Vince turns heel? Does that mean Vince is going to turn face? This is ridiculous.




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