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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.11
From the thread on Orton, BigVitoMark stated that...

"The difference with heels and faces in terms of repeat challenges, though, is that no one wants the heel to chase the title"


I always figured that a dominant face champion was the way to go. Look no further than the biggest draw of all time. In the 1980s, the WWF chose Hulk Hogan as the unstoppable face and that formula worked brilliantly. The NWA, on the other hand, chose Ric Flair for this role and I guess you could say that this formula was also suitable but when looking at draws, there's simply no comparison.

During the Attitude era, the world title changned quite frequently so there really wasn't one guy who was always chasing anything. Austin, Rock, Foley, HHH and Undertaker exchanged it between them.

For the last few years, Triple H as been the unstoppable heel virtually burying all faces in the big chase (most notably RVD, Booker T, and Scott Steiner).

I personally feel that its much better have the company centered around a charismatic face. A Hogan or a Rock that all fans will grow to love. It's also a known fact that faces always sell more merchandise.

All this leads to Orton as champion. I'm not convinced that he will be the next big thing as his wrestling skills and interviews are average at best, pitiful at worst. But Randy seems to be the guy the company is behind so I'm thinking a face turn would be the logical step to take while building a feud with HHH.

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First, we need to differentiate between the WWF and NWA World Titles. The WWF Champ was a more of a house champ, while the NWA Champ was a traveling champ. Thus, outside of Billy Graham and Yokozuna, the WWF Title was predominantly held be a face from '63 through the beginning of the Attitude Era. Also, it was the ethnic hook of a Sammartino or Morales, or just the popularity of Hogan that helped the face champion philosophy of the WWF. As a traveling championship, the NWA Title by necessity had to be held by a heel, as the traveling champ would have to battle the beloved face in each territory in order to get the best gate. Dusty Rhodes vs. Ric Flair in Florida would do better than Kevin Sullivan vs. Rick Steamboat in Florida as an example, as the fans would want the local favorite to become King of the World, rather than the vile heel in a territory to have the ability to rub their faces in a world title belt.
What the WWF/E currently needs is a strong face champion that the fans will watch no matter what, or a relatively weak heel champion that the fans will pay money because they know that this could be the night they see the World Title change. The problem with the Hunter Reign of Terror was he was booked as a strong heel, where the fans knew he wasn't going to lose, and they didn't want to pay to see him win.

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.31
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    The problem with the Hunter Reign of Terror was he was booked as a strong heel, where the fans knew he wasn't going to lose, and they didn't want to pay to see him win.

    (edited by redsoxnation on 1.8.04 1338)


Actually, he was booked as a heel who needed help from Flair and/or weapons initially, and later a heel who needed help from Flair, Orton, Batista and/or weapons to hold onto his title toward the end of his reign.

A look back to some of the predictions threads on this board would show you that even many of the people here who are allegedly more 'in the know' than the casual fan expected HHH to, lose to Steiner, Booker and Nash. If either show had a strong heel it was SD with Brock.

Lengthy heel runs and face chases tend to work better because more people will want to see a face take the belt off the heel than would want to see a face simply retain the title. Its tough finding a face THAT engrossing that people will watch him go through opponent after opponent. Austin and Hogan could do it, but not many others spring to mind. As good as The Rock was/is, his title reigns were generally pretty short.

    Originally posted by LionJeetSingh
    It's also a known fact that faces always sell more merchandise.


DX and the nWo both shifted T-shirts pretty nicely when they were heels, and Taker merchandise always did OK whether he was face or heel. More recently, Evolution and Cena have made the WWE a fair whack of money while heels. And I've seen a quite surprising number of Kurt Angle T-shirts in my time.

Faces may outsell heels overall, but a good heel champion can still shift more than his fair share, while also helping to build up rival faces to a stage where they can shift more merch down the line.



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    Originally posted by dMr
    DX and the nWo both shifted T-shirts pretty nicely when they were heels, and Taker merchandise always did OK whether he was face or heel. More recently, Evolution and Cena have made the WWE a fair whack of money while heels. And I've seen a quite surprising number of Kurt Angle T-shirts in my time.


Yes, but the majority of those cases were cool heel types, who might as well have been faces. Angle got respect from the smart/IWC contingent and entertained the masses, and Taker was basically a WWF/E phenomenon for well over a decade, getting people in the semi-kayfabe era who'd be fans past that.



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For an answer to this look no further than The Ultimate Warrior - an awesome draw when chasing the title (either the IC belt from Rick Rude or the World Title from Hogan/ Savage) but then just predictable and boring whilst actually in the title run because he squashed all challengers, including the very able like Ted Dibiase, Mr. Perfect and Rick Rude. After you've been through a list like that who's going to believe ANYONE can beat him? Who's going to pay to see him win AGAIN?

So why was Hogan such a big draw? Wasn't the formula the same? Well no actually is wasn't... well in essence it was but the actual formaula played itself out differently. The average Hogan match started with Hogan getting the token initial offence until the heel (usually either A. A physically bigger/ stroner wrestler - an Andre, King Kong Bundy, Zeus or Earthquake or B. A far better technical wrestler - a Savage, Dibiase or Flair) broke the momentum and beat on him for 10-15 minutes. Hogan is an underrated worker as he made every heel look GOOD. After 15 minutes of taking punishment THEN we got the Hulk up, big boot, leg drop and the win. Hogan has overcome the odds again. With Hogan's title runs the question was always 'well how's he going to be THIS guy?'. Whilst Hogan was a constant in terms of heat the WWF also built up the heels he would face - Andre the Giant, "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase, Earthquake, Sgt. Slaughter. And when they wanted an EVEN bigger draw put him up against another high-drawing face - Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior. So that's one way to do it. This is pretty much what the Rock does too.

With Warrior this tactic didn't work because he was a poor worker and also because he was booked to look indestructable - this is also why Goldberg lost alot of heat when he became WCW champion. Once the indestructible force has conquered the imovable object (as Gorilla Monsoon might say) it has nowhere else to go, so a potential heat machine just ends up looking pointless.

Austin who was also booked to look indestuctalbe at times was handled far better than Warrior or Goldberg. He was screwed at every turn out of the title, put into long lasting feuds against hordres of scheming heels - one tough man against the world rather than one super man against whoever will take him on. This is another way to go.

So.... so far 3 ways to go with a face champ - 'the Hogan way', 'the Warrior way' and 'the Austin way.

There is a fourth - this is the Bret Hart type of face champ. The hardworking face who'll defend his title no matter what or who and against any odds. Ricky Steamboat fits this role nicely. Flair's face title runs pretty much follow this formula as well and I believe it is the current situation with Chris Benoit.

The fifth sort of face champ is the sort of champ Randy Savage was... someone who had been a heel and could be again, someone who would take on faces as well as heels, someone who towed the tweener line. Shawn Michaels qualifies also, as does Chris Jericho.

The highest drawing of all these ideas is undoubtedly the Hogan way of doing things and, roughly on par, the Austin way of doing things. This is not because they also happen to be the highest drawing but because it's logiical. People will pay to see a face battle the odds, the odds were always stacked against Austin, the odds always seemed to favour Hogan's opponent.

But it really depends on what type of face you're trying to push....

If it's a 'monster face', a Warrior, a Goldberg, an Undertaker or a Kevin Nash, you need a scheming or arrogant heel Champion for them chase (a Ric Flair or Kurt Angle say), you'd want them to chase it for as long as possible and have them lose it fairly quickly too.

If you've got a strong face character like Hogan or The Rock you'll want to give them fairly lengthy reigns and build up heels for them to overcome (note NOT destroy).

If you've got a face who's high on workrate but low on charisma (Bret Hart, Chris Benoit) you need to fill the World Title picture with an assortment of different challenges. In 1992/3 for example there was Yokozuna, Shawn Michaels, Kamala and The Undertaker for Bret Hart to defend against. What you're trying to do here is to 'prove' that this champ really is the best wrestler there is.

If you've got a face who is a bit of a tweener - Michaels or Savage say - it is probably best to give him the belt and have him feud with a mixture of faces an heels. In Savage's 1988 run for example he had a lengthy programme with Ted Dibiase (a match which could always go either way and so virtual certainy of a high draw - check out their figures over that year) and then eventually with Hogan. This is potentially the best policy but it runs the risk of a more popular face stealing the limelight and the heat and thus making the champ seem weak, which arguably happened to both Savage and Michaels in their time.
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I think the heel champ is far easier to book and also is a guarenteed draw if done correctly.

The classic case is Honky Tonk Man. A man who clearly had no right to be wearing the IC belt but somehow held onto it for 18 months. The more he holds onto it the more people will pay to see him lose it. But the champion in question must be weak. Arguably Sgt. Slaughter was a bit like this.

If you want a stronger sort to be champ it all depends on what the heel is like, there are multiple options.

Type 1 is the Classic heel - a guy who has undoubted ability and knows it and talks about it but is not above cheating and frequently does. This is Ric Flair, Ted Dibiase, Mr. Perfect, Rick Rude and Kurt Angle. You simply book this guy like you'd book the working face champ only he'd only be challenged by faces. What you're trading on here is the strength of the guy's heel-heat, how much do the people want to see him beat AS WELL AS how much do they like the face. If Dibiase had won the belt at Wrestlemania 4 the same programme only with Savage as the challenger and Dibiase as the champion would have sold just as well, if not better. NWA always went this route for the reasons so eloquently outlined above by Redsox.

Type 2 is the Monster heel - here we have Warrior/ Goldberg only in heel form. The heel form tends to focus more on phyisical bulk than strength of force, hence Yokozuna, Earthquake, Brock Lesner, Andre the Giant, Kane. These are usually the puppets of an evil force - Vince, Heenan, Mr. Fuji. I suppose they could effectively work as challengers or champions. A huge obstacle to a Hogan type face champ or an immovable object to a face challenger - preferrably a Warrior but any will do.

Type 3 is HHH. He is like the other two rolled into one. This comes with its problems because he invariably ends up looking awesome and unbeatable. I am not sure how to book HHH as champ but I think his 1999/2000 run was the best, with a clique behind him and in-league with the powers that be. Not too dissimilar to his situation right now. Perhaps the best policy is to build a face that he continously screws out of the title for a long time until the final blow-off. I know they've already done this a few times but you know what I mean. Some champions need to take on all comers, others need feuds and specific adversaries to get the title reign over. I think HHH is like this as he doesn't need to 'prove he's the best' like a Bret Hart would.
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All in all the highest drawing type of champion is the Hogan-type face and then I would say the Classic Heel. The Austin-type run is also high drawing but faces the potential problem of becoming a bit repetitive if repeated too many times. This too is the problem facing a heel champ with a clique behind him who also happen to weild immense power (eg. NWO, McMahon-Helmsly era, Evolution/ Bischoff).

Ok there's my 'two pence'.








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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.72
    Originally posted by Parvini
    All in all the highest drawing type of champion is the Hogan-type face and then I would say the Classic Heel. The Austin-type run is also high drawing but faces the potential problem of becoming a bit repetitive if repeated too many times.


So the Austin-type face runs the risk of being repetitive, but the Hogan type face doesn't?

In all seriousness, I think that the Hogan type face is dead, with only remnants of it in your Indestructible Face (w/weakness), such as Goldberg in WWE, after his "ankle injury." I had always hoped that, either while Bret Hart was still active, or shortly thereafter, (using Lance Storm as a surrogate) they had given Goldberg an acchiles heel, an injured knee which hindered his ability tp do both the Spear and Jackhammer. From that position, fans could see the chinks in the armor, and wonder if the armor would finally crack. THAT builds suspense. And look no further than the fan response to the Goldberg-HHH Survivor Series Match, probably the best of their series.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.31
    Originally posted by drjayphd
      Originally posted by dMr
      DX and the nWo both shifted T-shirts pretty nicely when they were heels, and Taker merchandise always did OK whether he was face or heel. More recently, Evolution and Cena have made the WWE a fair whack of money while heels. And I've seen a quite surprising number of Kurt Angle T-shirts in my time.


    Yes, but the majority of those cases were cool heel types, who might as well have been faces.


You'd be hard pushed to convince me that the early nWo, or Evolution 'might as well have been faces'. Obviously the guys who shift the merchandise are predominantly cool (be they face or heel), but thats certainly acheivable while still being a main event heel going up against more popular babyfaces. I still stand by the contention therefor that a long heel main event run can help to shift just as much merchandise as a face run if built up and marketed properly.

In fact a far more important factor than the heel/face thing is creating merchandise that people actually want to buy. Even The Rock couldn't save some of the shitty T-shirts he's had from being bargain bin bound within a month, while entertaining as Kurt may be he was doubtless helped by the rather natty (and not publicly embarassing) SUBMIT T-shirt.



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Madiq said: "So the Austin-type face runs the risk of being repetitive, but the Hogan type face doesn't? In all seriousness, I think that the Hogan type face is dead"

Yes the Austin-type will become repetitive and the Hogan face-type wont because Hogan's battles are all against DIFFERENT opponenets, different built-up mega-heels whereas Austin's are all against a faceless, homogenous mass. Austin is battling the system or a corporation whereas Hogan is battling individuals. The corporation can only change so much but there'll alway be more heels to take on, more challenges to face in Hogan's situation. Granted, yes, if every MATCH plays out the same way it will become repetitive but a bit of variation and it needent become stale.

Why is the Hogan-type dead? They haven't actually tried to push someone like that since Lex Luger! Just because the Lex Express bombed doesn't mean that you can't have a likable face champ ever again. In fact I'd like you to give me 5 reasons WHY you think the Hogan-type is basically dead.

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#9 Posted on
    Originally posted by Parvini
    "Well no actually is wasn't... well in essence it was but the actual formaula played itself out differently. The average Hogan match started with Hogan getting the token initial offence until the heel (usually either A. A physically bigger/ stroner wrestler - an Andre, King Kong Bundy, Zeus or Earthquake or B. A far better technical wrestler - a Savage, Dibiase or Flair) broke the momentum and beat on him for 10-15 minutes. Hogan is an underrated worker as he made every heel look GOOD. After 15 minutes of taking punishment THEN we got the Hulk up, big boot, leg drop and the win. Hogan has overcome the odds again. With Hogan's title runs the question was always 'well how's he going to be THIS guy?'. ."


I don't think there is a difference between Hogan and Warrior and the type of champ they were. I never felt any sense of drama about how Hulk would win. Let's face it, every Hulk match ended the same way in the end, he absorbed the finishing move and did his ending routine. Always! Warrior was the same. I think there's an argument to be made for their respective charisma and how they connected with an audience but I don't see any difference in the drama in their respective matches. The only real sense of drama I ever had was when they faced each other as you weren't sure who would no-sell the other's finisher. Otherwise, there was always the chance the face might lose the belt simply because no one holds a belt forever but there was no major difference between the two and their type of match.

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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

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    Originally posted by dMr
      Originally posted by drjayphd
        Originally posted by dMr
        DX and the nWo both shifted T-shirts pretty nicely when they were heels, and Taker merchandise always did OK whether he was face or heel. More recently, Evolution and Cena have made the WWE a fair whack of money while heels. And I've seen a quite surprising number of Kurt Angle T-shirts in my time.


      Yes, but the majority of those cases were cool heel types, who might as well have been faces.


    You'd be hard pushed to convince me that the early nWo, or Evolution 'might as well have been faces'. Obviously the guys who shift the merchandise are predominantly cool (be they face or heel), but thats certainly acheivable while still being a main event heel going up against more popular babyfaces. I still stand by the contention therefor that a long heel main event run can help to shift just as much merchandise as a face run if built up and marketed properly.

    In fact a far more important factor than the heel/face thing is creating merchandise that people actually want to buy. Even The Rock couldn't save some of the shitty T-shirts he's had from being bargain bin bound within a month, while entertaining as Kurt may be he was doubtless helped by the rather natty (and not publicly embarassing) SUBMIT T-shirt.


(would don his SUBMIT shirt, but it's a tad small)

I suppose you are right on that... you can't really forget the impact a wrestler's character and creativity has on merch sales. I'm sure that Dwayne could come up with good shirts, but the Rock as a wrestler has some good one-liners that just look fucking DUMB on a shirt.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.85
    Originally posted by Cognitive27
    I don't think there is a difference between Hogan and Warrior and the type of champ they were. I never felt any sense of drama about how Hulk would win. Let's face it, every Hulk match ended the same way in the end, he absorbed the finishing move and did his ending routine. Always! Warrior was the same. I think there's an argument to be made for their respective charisma and how they connected with an audience but I don't see any difference in the drama in their respective matches. The only real sense of drama I ever had was when they faced each other as you weren't sure who would no-sell the other's finisher. Otherwise, there was always the chance the face might lose the belt simply because no one holds a belt forever but there was no major difference between the two and their type of match.
I have already stated WHY Warrior and Hogan were different. Hogan took a beating in every match he wrestled and THEN Hulked up to win, thwe question was always can he keep doing this? Will [Andre, Dibiase, Perfect, Earthquake, etc.] be too much for him this time? You NEVER got that sense with Warrior because he no sold everything, Hogan only no sold after a Hulk-up. There IS a difference. The average Warrior match was about 5 minutes max, the average Hogan match was more like 10-15, 98% of that Hogan would be getting hammered by the heel. 98% of Warrior's matches were spent running around and bouncing off the ropes with the heel refusing to get in the ring and then getting trounced when he does. I think only Rick Rude got a couple of decent matches out of Warrior but after that, forget it. His World title defences against Ted Dibiase and Mr. Perfect - two men who DID get good matches out of Hogan - were exactly the same. It boils down to that: Hogan made other people look good during the match whereas Warrior only ever made himself look good. Anyone like to dispute that?

And Madiq - you still haven't told me why you think the Hogan type is dead.

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#12 Posted on
    Originally posted by Parvini
      Originally posted by Cognitive27
      I don't think there is a difference between Hogan and Warrior and the type of champ they were. I never felt any sense of drama about how Hulk would win. Let's face it, every Hulk match ended the same way in the end, he absorbed the finishing move and did his ending routine. Always! Warrior was the same. I think there's an argument to be made for their respective charisma and how they connected with an audience but I don't see any difference in the drama in their respective matches. The only real sense of drama I ever had was when they faced each other as you weren't sure who would no-sell the other's finisher. Otherwise, there was always the chance the face might lose the belt simply because no one holds a belt forever but there was no major difference between the two and their type of match.
    I have already stated WHY Warrior and Hogan were different. Hogan took a beating in every match he wrestled and THEN Hulked up to win, thwe question was always can he keep doing this? Will [Andre, Dibiase, Perfect, Earthquake, etc.] be too much for him this time? You NEVER got that sense with Warrior because he no sold everything, Hogan only no sold after a Hulk-up. There IS a difference. The average Warrior match was about 5 minutes max, the average Hogan match was more like 10-15, 98% of that Hogan would be getting hammered by the heel. 98% of Warrior's matches were spent running around and bouncing off the ropes with the heel refusing to get in the ring and then getting trounced when he does. I think only Rick Rude got a couple of decent matches out of Warrior but after that, forget it. His World title defences against Ted Dibiase and Mr. Perfect - two men who DID get good matches out of Hogan - were exactly the same. It boils down to that: Hogan made other people look good during the match whereas Warrior only ever made himself look good. Anyone like to dispute that?

    And Madiq - you still haven't told me why you think the Hogan type is dead.

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Again, I say you are wrong about that. Warrior frequently wrestled PPV matches that were as long as Hogan's when they were in main events. Wrestlemania 5, Summerslam 89 and 90 against Rude were all long matches, longer than 5 min. And there is no way that 98% was Warrior dominating. It was the same set-up, face starts strong, heel takes over, hits finish, face hulks up or shakes the ropes, and wins immediately after. With very few exceptions, that's how every match with either Hulk or Warrior went in the mid 80's to early 90's. I will grant you that Hulk's selling may have been better than Warrior's but that doesn't negate the amount of time each face spent selling and the way their matches were usually laid out. Warrior had a good, very loosely, match against Ted in Japan and he's had matches against Perfect and Savage(Wrestlemania 7,Summerslam 92, ring a bell) that were great matches in a dramatic sense, certainly better than what you're describing. I think Warrior only no-sold after his hulk-up, I really don't think you are correct here. Point me to a match where you think different. I've given a few examples already of "good" matches with Warrior where he certainly went past the 5 min mark and sold quite a bit for his opponent, though the ending, JUST like Hulk's, are the same.
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The Dibase match in Japan is merely ok, it never really seems as if Dibiase is going to or could win because Warrior's selling is lame. He looks unphased by everything Ted throws at him, even after a suplex, a piledriver, a million or so fistdrops etc. he STILL doesn't look as if he's been hurt at all. Hulk would look like he'd just received a good beating and THAT is the difference. Hogan LOOKS as if he's battling the odds and actually fighting a battle whereas for Warrior it is always a glorified squash job. The Perfect match is the same. Fair enough the Savage/ Warrior match from SS 92 has drama and he DOES sell a bit but he's selling to chair shots from Flair and Perfect not from the stuff Savage dishes out in the ring.

You are right to a certain degree, you picked out the ONLY three matches (excluding WM VI with Hogan and like I said, the matches Rude got out of him) that Warrior sells a little bit, but the selling is still very poor. Every other match he ever wrestled was closer to his squash of Honky Tonk Man than his long, oh say... 8 minutes... title defence against Ted in Japan. Maybe it's just because Hogan is technically a better wrestler than Warrior but I think that it actually comes down to a subtle difference in the booking. Warrior was a squash machine, Hogan was a Champions with vitamins and a never say die attitude. We would see a Warrior again in Goldberg, we'd never see another Hogan.

PS. Just for the record I hate Hogan, I hate him a lot but I hate Warrior maybe 100000% more.



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The reason the Hogan type is dead is that wrestlers are no longer built up the way they were built in the Hogan era. Hogan was essentially a PPV attraction, almost never wrestling on the average show, but casting such a log shadow over the show as to remain the star. Because the show was mainly geared towards kids, there was a limited concern about formulaic matches, and about the "hero" going over the villain in convincing fashion every match.

In the modern era, fans want to see evenly matched contests, where the outcome is truly in doubt. They like twists and turns, and a roller coaster ride that makes them oooh and ahhh. Perhaps Kurt Angle, immediately following 9/11, had the combination of charisma, ringwork, and the groundswell of fan support to provide that Hogan-esque spark, because he could make his opponents look like a million bucks. Still, Kurt's strength is that he can fight opponents over and over again, (Angle-HHH, Angle-Benoit, Angle-Lesnar) while Hogan disappeared for weeks or months, while his opponents were given monster pushes, just in time for him to return and vanquish them. In the age of free per views and booking spoilers, replicating the Hogan formula is foolhardy.

The other critical component that kills the Hogan Face dead is the complete and utter lack of character development. In an era where superstars have to connect with fans, having a character that never has to learn, adapt, or evolve due to his opposition creates a degree of apathy, as he creatively stagnates. Wrestlers CANNOT remain in a holding pattern, because fans want to be entertained in new and interesting ways.
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What about him taking someone under his wing. A young up-and-comer who needs the heat that Hogan brings. That way he doesn't wrestle anymore, but the WW gets some use out of him. Maybe a Benoit when he comes back, or Rhyno????
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