So Zidane gets a fine and three games (which will translates out into 3 days volunteering with FIFA), and Materazzi gets a fine and 2 games.
I have to say, I think the suspension of Materazzi is utter bullshit. This is the only time in the history of pretty much any sport I know of that someone's been suspended for shit-talking. Maybe you get thrown out of a game if you say the wrong thing to the ref, OK. Maybe a fine for innapropriate remarks or whatever. But a suspension? For a regular old "your mama" comment? I think this sets a really bad precident. Shit-talking's part of the game in pretty much every sport this side of golf. So you say the wrong thing, the other guy goes nuts, and you get a suspension without even so much as a finger poke on the other guy? Awful decision by FIFA.
(edited by MoeGates on 20.7.06 1835) Man's most valuable trait is a judicious sense of what not to believe. - Euripides
The other thing to consider is the possibility that family-targeted insults, especially those aimed at a person's mother, are not considered to be simple and harmless "yo momma" jokes in every culture.
Growing up, I had a couple of friends from France and Italy right around the time when "mother jokes" started coming into vogue. Their reactions to such jokes on first hearing were total emotional breakdown (French) and violent retribution (Italian). I've also known some Southern boys who did not take kindly at all to that sort of humor be it directed at them or anyone else.
I can't say that I totally believe things are the same as they were 15-20 years ago, but do bear in mind that there may be some significant cultural differences in how such insults are perceived and responded to. North America is generally known for its cultural policy of "no sacred cows", but the same may not hold true for other countries and cultures.
Originally posted by JayJayDeanThe only thing I can imagine for Materazzi to get suspended is that someone confirmed that he was saying stuff to Zizou that was racial, because UEFA is all over dealing with that right now.
But, Zizou himself said that the comments weren't based on race or religion. And, when asked if he had insulted Zidane's mother or sister, Materazzi said he would never insult anyone's mother because his mom had died when he was 15. I think that Zidane simply overreacted to the type of insult you hear dozens of times in every game.
One exchange I did see reported was that Zidane told Materazzi to stop pulling his shirt and that he'd be happy to give him his shirt after the game. Materazzi responded that he'd rather have Zidane's wife's shirt. That strikes me as both a likely and a witty exchange. However, hardly something that would instigate that kind of reaction.
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Originally posted by tarnishGrowing up, I had a couple of friends from France and Italy right around the time when "mother jokes" started coming into vogue. Their reactions to such jokes on first hearing were total emotional breakdown (French) and violent retribution (Italian).
Am I a bad person because the thought of this has me laughing my ass off right now, imagining some French teenager breaking into tears because someone said his momma was so fat she sweats gravy?
That's Half way between Guru's numbers. So, on average, the man is PERFECT! I tell you, these two stories, McNair and Gatti and rather sad. Similar in age, similar aged women killed them (it seems) Sounds like they were having marital problems.