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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by Dave Meltzer
    Shawn Michaels suffered a torn meniscus in the three-way match tonight in Chicago and needs surgery. It is not a definite at this point that he won't work tomorrow if he is voted in (and if he isn't, he theoretically should work the tag match), but at this point the odds are against him working.


It was a pretty bad sign when he couldn't even stand for the closing shot.

I'd guess if HBK wins and can't go, they'd announce him and the injury and have someone do double duty in the World title match and the Tag Team title match. But that's just a guess off the top of my head.

There's no pre-PPV Heat type show on the PPV schedule; they could let people know on the website or the pre-PPV preview show if they ruled HBK out, but I don't expect they will.

(edited by thecubsfan on 19.10.04 0049)


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.65
Also stricken with karmic, don't-fuck-with-democracy injuries:

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.17
I do feel a little pity for WWE, who went out of their way to start voting as late as possible specifically to AVOID this sort of problem...what a bad situation to be in. Even if WWE provides x-rays to each fan who voted, it'll still make the whole thing look like a sham to the average viewer.

Guess we can rule out them doing this ever again.




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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.73
Not necessarily. Throw him in the tag match and just have him never tag in. It won't be a perfect fix, but at least it covers their asses without coming up with reasons the gimmick is shot.

There's a one in three chance that they'd have to fix the voting to make sure he didn't win the main event slot, but aren't we all fairly sure they've already done that?


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.27
You guys make it sound like HBK was the one who was going to be voted to face HHH.




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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.14
This really doesn't need to mess with things much. I had a feeling Benoit would win the vote even before Michaels got hurt since Edge is playing a heel and Hunter/Michaels has been done to death. That would leave Michaels/Edge against the Frenchies, where Michaels can get hurt from the get-go and they can do a Bret/Owen split between Michaels and Edge to cement the heel turn...which is what I think they were going for here anyway.



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Well, too bad for Shawn, this is probably the end of the line for him. *unless god saves him*

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.24
I thought something was up last night during the match. My boyfriend and I looked at one another at one point during the match and were like "Uh, something went wrong there."

It's a shame, but it's not like I was voting for HBK to go up against HHH (AGAIN!!!). Maybe someone else will finally get a chance.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.27
All you have to do is air a little skit during the PPV saying Evolution took out HBK and failed to take out the other guys so as to wrest power back from the voters, whom Triple H has consistently mocked.

Give Christian to Jericho and put Benjamin or Rhyno in with Benoit against La Resistance.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.37
It would make perfect sense to have Benoit win the title shot, even if they have to "rig" that particular match. It would give the WWE more credibility in the general public's eyes (not the IWC).

You have Edge take out HBK prior to their tag match. Bischoff then forces Edge to team with the runner-up of the IC balloting, who "happens" to be Christian ...

Yeah, it's fantasy booking, but it makes sense ... plus you have a built-in feud for Edge when HBK returns.

(edited by Mayhem on 19.10.04 0913)


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Sucks for HBK. Though he's certainly had a great run the last couple of years, if this is truly it for him.

You could always have Edge injure HBK (either on-screen or implied) at the show; give Benoit the title shot, and then have the "Edge joins Evolution" storyline I mentioned in the predictions thread yesterday....



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.27
Does a torn meniscus truly mean the end for Shawn Michaels?




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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.27
    Originally posted by The Vile1
    Does a torn meniscus truly mean the end for Shawn Michaels?


Via webmd.com:

There are many factors to consider when deciding how to treat your torn meniscus, including the extent and location of the tear, your pain level, your age and activity level, your doctor's preference, and when the injury occurred. Your treatment choices are:

* Wait to see if it heals on its own, wearing a temporary knee brace and possibly starting physical rehabilitation.
* Surgical repair, to sew the tear together.
* Partial meniscectomy, surgery to remove the torn section.
* Total meniscectomy, surgery to remove all of the meniscus. This is generally avoided, because this option increases the risk for
osteoarthritis in the knee.

The location (zone) of the tear is one of the most important factors in healing.

Tears at the outer edge of the meniscus (red zone) tend to heal well because there is good blood supply. Minor tears may heal on their own with a brace and a period of rest. If they do not heal or repair is deemed necessary, the tear can be sewn together using dissolvable stitches. This is successful 90% to 95% of the time in this area.

The inner two-thirds (white zone) of the meniscus does not have a good blood supply and therefore does not heal well either on its own or after repair. If torn pieces float into the joint space, which may result in a "locked" knee or cause other symptoms, the torn portion is removed (partial meniscectomy) and the edges of the remaining meniscus are shaved to make the meniscus smooth.

When the tear extends from the red zone into the white zone, there may be adequate blood supply for healing. Studies of repairs of these kind of tears show varying results.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.28
I vaguely remember Mick Foley saying in Have A Nice Day that he worked through a torn meniscus for several months in 1999 (from like the middle of February until the end of May) so this doesn't automatically mean the end of HBK's career.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
It did mean, however, that Mick's match quality took a notable downturn. Though I *think* HBK just might be in better shape than Mick...



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
Not a doctor, hanen't played one on TV... (But am an athletic klutz, & am certain I've paid for at least one of my orthopaedist's Mercedes.)

"Torn meniscus" is torn cartilage. Generally not a huge deal -- you get it "scoped" & get on with your life. (Although we (I) haven't actually heard what Charlie's damage was, given the 4 weeks anticipated return, it's very likely that's what his damage was.)

Matt's WebMd information is totally correct, although sounds more ominous than it actually is.

It absolutely does depend on the degree of damage. However, this is not the kind of thing that's career-ending for a pro wrestler. And Shawn's already playing with damage much worse than this.

Its one of those things that can look/seem/feel really bad. (Or, depending on the detalis of what or where, you can hardly even notice you have it. That's just luck.) Its very possible for the torn bit to lodge in the joint in any of various ways to "lock" the knee, or to keep it from straightening/flexing/whatever. And it can really hurt like hell. Sometimes the orthopaedist or trainer can manipulate the knee to temporarily dislodge the torn bit. (Or not.)

But scoping cartilage is bread & butter for orthopaedists. Unless there's something really extraordinarily weird about this particular damage, it's not a huge deal. He'll get it scoped & be back in 1-2 months.

(Just for comparison's sake, this isn't 10% of Matt Hardy's recent knee mess, where he was "working through" before having entire ligaments replaced. That's *much* worse.)

(edited by emma on 19.10.04 1407)
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.69
Thing is, Michaels could barely stand on Raw, and Meltz seems under the impression that the decision has already been made that surgery is necessary. Not career-ending, maybe, but it is a big deal. I really can't see him working a big match tonight.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
I'm betting he never quite recovered from the ACL he tore before Wrestlemania.




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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Thing is, Michaels could barely stand on Raw, and Meltz seems under the impression that the decision has already been made that surgery is necessary. Not career-ending, maybe, but it is a big deal. I really can't see him working a big match tonight.
Oh, absolutely -- "big deal" in terms of working tonight -- no doubt, no disagreement.
I was referring specifically to "big deal" in terms of longer term & career. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

MMM: That's a good point. It is much easier to get a cartilage tear if you've already loosened up the joint with ligament damage.
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I Think the more important aspect of the tear, isnt how it is NOW, but how it WILL be.
http://www.arthroscopy.com/sp05005.htm

Above link shows how the miniscus works, and what it does and why it is important to NOT tear it, if you want to be able to have full range of motion in your leg.
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Dammit I was gonna use that one. It's great to read CRZ's recaps of his matches and have CRZ implore him not to go up for that move lol.
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