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Since: 26.6.02
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#1 Posted on
Wicca Casts Spell Over College Students


Some choice excerpts:

"...at the University of Arizona and Lehigh University in Pennsylvania, believers can be excused from class on Wiccan holidays."

"Some schools now include Wiccan holidays among those celebrated by students, alongside those of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and Sikhs. Among those schools are the University of Arizona and Lehigh University."

"'Young girls want to be involved in witchcraft,' he said. 'There is an occult explosion going on around us.''


I am not religious at all, so I have no "Christian opposed to Devilry" attitudes, but I think that this is just rediculous. This country really is losing it's mind. In an age of science people are now regressing to worshipping spooks and casting spells on each other and Colleges are encouraging it?




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Since: 11.7.02
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Frankly I think it shows that atheism isn't really happening much for people any more. There is an increasing spirituality in the American people, especially after 9/11. Since college campus are too politically correct to let Christianity run wild, this explosion of Wiccanism isn't too surprising. And realistically, the Wiccans don't do too much harm. They've been around for thousands of years doing the druid thing, so it's established. It beats Kwanzaa...



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#3 Posted on
So...if I claim my druid clan forbids me to follow classes on weekdays will that go?

Hmm..wasn't there a state that actually celebrates festivus?



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Since: 6.1.02
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#4 Posted on
Yes, I believe everyone has. From the article:

But evangelist Eric Barger of Take a Stand! Ministries believes Wiccan practices can lead to darker practices among vulnerable young adults.

"Of course, not everyone who delves into white magic or Wicca goes deeper," Barger said. "But it opens the door to black magic."

Barger has crusaded against the Harry Potter books through his own writing and in speeches to Christian churches, including a Pennsylvania church that burned the books last year.


I mean, I don't find "Wiccan" stuff any weirder than believing in a guy who's a man, and God, and a ghost, and all three, and died, and then came back to life, and then you eat him every Sunday. I'd be happy if Colleges didn't encourage any of this.



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Religion is religion. It's all allowed here. Period. Paragraph.

That said, in order to get the hoildays off, you should have to be practicing. And that's any relgion. Me, I'm an agnostic, and I've no problem with working a full year. Give me weekends, two weeks vacation and a little time to see my brother for his birthday every year, and I'll be fine.

It just bugs me because my fiancee roomed with two witches who were both raised as Reform Jews and they weren't very good at either religion.

"Wait, it's a full moon, were we supposed to light some candles or something?"
"I don't know. You want half of this BLT?"
"The faeries are going to be pissed."

Give 'em all the time off their spirit guides demand. But they have to make an effort too.



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    Originally posted by DJ Ran
    Wait, it's a full moon, were we supposed to light some candles or something?"
    "I don't know. You want half of this BLT?"
    "The faeries are going to be pissed."


That's the funniest thing I've read in weeks...

What I don't agree with is the concept of giving everybody off for every major holiday. It better be a huge plurality of the school or workforce population to be giving everybody the day off.



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Ha! I knew I could make the conservative laugh.

I wish I'd taken better notes regarding those two. They were ridiculously funny. Some more highlights:

This was all at NYU... They were acting and photography majors.
One was a vegan, for health reasons, but still did cocaine whenever she could find some.
Once at a Halloween party, my fiancee broke out some clove cigs, causing all the goth and pseudogoth faithful to forget all about the joint that was being passed.
You couldn't swing a dead cat in there without hitting a poster for Tori or The Cure
The actor was in an autobiographical performance piece talking about all the men with whom she'd cheated on her last boyfriend. Said boyfriend was sitting next to me.
The photog used to hookup with a guy who called himself 'Nightass'. In his defense, the guy had a sense of humor about his lifestyle.

And let's not even get into the third roommates sweater fetish.



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Amazingly, none of those gory details surprise me. I was a drama geek in high school so I hung out with that sorta brood(just not nearly as...interesting I suppose you could say).



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I tend to take the opposite extreme, when it comes to schools. NO religious holidays should be observed by them. Christmas might be a touchy subject, since the vast majority of Americans celebrate that (for religious AND non-religious reasons, though), and one might argue that its non-religious implications have surpassed its religious meaning, so it is not a "Christian" holiday, anymore, but that tends to fall in every school's "Winter Break" so it is a non-issue.
Work it like "vacation" time. You go to school, you get 3 excused holidays a year. They are not officially recognized, and you are still responsible for all the work you normally would be. If the holiday is that important to you (in other words, you are practising whatever religion you claim), you would be willing to do the extra work to do as your God/Supreme Being demands of you.
I am all for freedom of religion, but it is ridiculous that any government organization would go this far. And, as a disgruntled alumni of the University of Arizona... I apologize....




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#10 Posted on
Ooh, I think I agree with you!

The problem isn't the "days off" though, the problem is "not scheduling important stuff (like tests) on said days." You make sure there are no tests on, say, Easter, then everyone else has a list of 10 days they don't want tests on, and pretty soon there's only 7 times a year you can give exams. It's like alternate-side-of-the-street parking here in New York. You add on everyone's holiday, and pretty soon the streets don't get cleaned.

EDIT: I just realized that Easter, being that it falls on a Sunday, probably isn't the best example to use.

(edited by MoeGates on 12.12.02 1501)


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Since: 23.6.02
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#11 Posted on
Its college if you don't want to go don't go. Celebrate any day of your choosing my favorite holdiay is Wednsday. They give you a sylabus and the proffesors preach from the text book verbatum.



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Well, the test problem is also solved by the X number of days you get to take for holidays. If you have an available day, and you want to use it on the day of a test, you have, say, 5 days to make up the test with the professor. Or you take it early. Yeah, that would be a pain in the butt, but again- if it is really important to you, (like God SHOULD be, if you are taking the days off) you will go through the trouble.
The whole idea of government/society not endorsing religion (what "Freedom of Religion" is actually intended to mean) is not having every public organization bending over backwards to ACCOMODATE your religion, rather, allowing you to practise it and not punishing you for doing so. Allowing you to reschedule a test (to a reasonable time) is in keeping with this. Having a school restructure its schedule around EVERY damned religion out there is just plain ridiculous, and not what is intended by that ammendment...




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i don't want to re-start a argument we finished months ago, but X-mas is a Pagan holiday, not christian. the christians moved jesus's b-day to Yule to try and quash the pagan holiday. Ever heard of a Yule log? there ya go

Put a tree up for X-mas? ya do? great, keep the pagan faith going, because that is the pagan way.

I am a Bhuddist/Taoist/Pagan, my sister is a Wiccian, and my older is a born again Catholic [don't ask, long story]. Dad is methodist, mom is bhuddist.

Sis has been doing this for 15 years now and is very happy with herself, money problems not withstanding. She is also a Theoligy/psychology major.

She was raised Catholic. [she is my sister, but we have different mothers. differnet fathers too, long story] and she rebelled against that, did some research at aga TEN and decided that wicca was right for her. she has done research on most major religions and some minor ones, and if she didn't get into that car accident, i think she would do some great "work" as a theoligist (i have no idea what they do other than appear on PBS/TLC/Discovery channel specials.)

She was very mad to learn that all pagan holidays were usurped by some backwards religion. Christans didn't have the numbers they have now back in ancient roman days. Nero slaughtered a great number of christans for various reasons (they would not accept the Roman gods, they were the scapegoats for a great fire that many say Nero authroised to raze the city to rebuild it in his image) and after the fall of the roman empire, they spread like a plague, crushing all other religions. Easter and X-mas were put on pagan holidays in an attempt to crush the pagans.

also, the word "Pagan" is used in a negetive way by christians. almost like an insult. "She's just a dirty little pagan!"

enough on that, i can look for the thread we had this discussion before, but as you can tell, i feel strongly on the subject and had a argument with a stupid close-minded christan customer i had one day. she was upset that i "Had" to work thanksgiving, and that "well, at least it wasn't christmas you had to work, because that would be wrong"

her son was like "Mom, not everyone is christain" "well they should be" then i reminded her the true meaning of christmas (to celebrate the planet earth, and every month has a earth celebrating holiday, for december it's Yule, and you celebrate the Tree, specifically an evergreen, because it's so versitle that it can withstand the rigiors of the cold) and she refused to accept that christmas could be anything other than the birth of jesus. "Why would they lie about that for all this time? huh?" "Ma'am, it's because they have an ultior motive. good evening." and i showed her the door, because i was getting so flustered i wanted to slit her throat.

i probably would have too, but that's neither here nor there (on a side note, i was insane for a while...but i'm feeling much better now )



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Christmas is a Federal holiday so I have no problem with not having school on that day. Easter is always on a Sunday we don't have to worry about schools with that holiday.
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Since: 18.3.02
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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by rikidozan


    She was very mad to learn that all pagan holidays were usurped by some backwards religion. Christans didn't have the numbers they have now back in ancient roman days. Nero slaughtered a great number of christans for various reasons (they would not accept the Roman gods, they were the scapegoats for a great fire that many say Nero authroised to raze the city to rebuild it in his image) and after the fall of the roman empire, they spread like a plague, crushing all other religions. Easter and X-mas were put on pagan holidays in an attempt to crush the pagans.




I had heard this explained for different reasons. As you said Christians were being slaughtered for a variety of reasons. In order to celebrate their holidays they "usurped" some pagan holidays so as to "blend in". If they were celebrating at the same time as everyone else, their Christianity wouldn't be so obvious and they wouldn't be killed.

I guess it depends on where you heard/read/learned it from.

Me personally? I'm Christian, but not a practicing church goer. We have a cousin that's into Wicca, but if you met her you'd think that she's totally normal.

I don't have a big hangup with anybody's religion unless it very specifically targets other groups, or tries to push it's beliefs down my throat. (That being said I mean current religions. Lets not drag up the crusades, or the above mentioned slaugher of Christians.)

So..

Merry Christmas
Happy Holidays
Happy Hannukah

Those are the only three that I know embarrassingly enough...to anyone else I forgot. Consider yourself "Happy'd", and if your an atheist, well...then have a day.

(edited by cranlsn on 12.12.02 1851)


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    Originally posted by rikidozan
    She was very mad to learn that all pagan holidays were usurped by some backwards religion. Christans didn't have the numbers they have now back in ancient roman days. Nero slaughtered a great number of christans for various reasons (they would not accept the Roman gods, they were the scapegoats for a great fire that many say Nero authroised to raze the city to rebuild it in his image) and after the fall of the roman empire, they spread like a plague, crushing all other religions. Easter and X-mas were put on pagan holidays in an attempt to crush the pagans.


Actually, one of the theories I heard (don't know if it was the situation in the majority of cases) is that they celebrated the holidays on the same days as pagan festivals in an attempt to convert... like, see, we've got a festival on the same day as you, for pretty much the same reason. Besides, last I'd heard, a lot of pagan practices nowadays date back only a century or two, even though they're based on older traditions.



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Be it Hannukah or Kwanzaa, Solstice, Harvest or December 25th,
Peace on Earth to everyone, and abundance to everyone you're with
-----Blues Traveler, "Christmas"



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Be it Hannukah or Kwanzaa, Solstice, Harvest or December 25th,
    Peace on Earth to everyone, and abundance to everyone you're with
    -----Blues Traveler, "Christmas"




Wow that has to be the shortest thing you have ever wrote in the forum. This holiday season must really be making you soft. Or you are too busy laughing at Trent Lott :)
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I remember when I was in basic training one of the guys in my platoon was a druid, and he got to go off in the woods every Sunday, where he had built this little shrine thing, and meditate. It was pretty cool, actually. I went with him a couple of times, just to see what it was all about, and it was totally relaxing. He was a totally normal, well-balanced guy, too.

Just goes to show that this country really is pretty damn tolerant if you can be in Army infantry school and they let you off into the damn woods by yourself, where you could be doing god knows what. Hell, the drill sergeants would get all pissy if you went off in the woods to take a shit for five minutes. This guy could have been going to the store and buying bourbon for all they knew.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Originally posted by drjayphd

      Originally posted by rikidozan
      She was very mad to learn that all pagan holidays were usurped by some backwards religion. Christans didn't have the numbers they have now back in ancient roman days. Nero slaughtered a great number of christans for various reasons (they would not accept the Roman gods, they were the scapegoats for a great fire that many say Nero authroised to raze the city to rebuild it in his image) and after the fall of the roman empire, they spread like a plague, crushing all other religions. Easter and X-mas were put on pagan holidays in an attempt to crush the pagans.


    Actually, one of the theories I heard (don't know if it was the situation in the majority of cases) is that they celebrated the holidays on the same days as pagan festivals in an attempt to convert... like, see, we've got a festival on the same day as you, for pretty much the same reason. Besides, last I'd heard, a lot of pagan practices nowadays date back only a century or two, even though they're based on older traditions.



last i heard, pagan practices went back a few thousand years since it was, you know, the first religion. sun worship, moon worship, tree worship, plant worship, grain worship, egg worship, remembering the dead (Samhain, which you all call Halloween), animal worship (without them, we wouldn't live...unless you were a vegan, then YOU'RE A FILTHY PLANT EATER )...the list goes on...



DDP: Well, there's this little passage I got memorized, Diamond Dallas 25:17. Sort of fits this occasion:

"The path of the bookerman is beset on all sides by the inequities of the talented, and the tyranny of workrate freaks. Blessed is he, who in the name of tradition and sports entertainment carries the stiffs through the matches of Nitro, for he is truly the workrate's keeper, and the finder of lost quality. And I will lay the smack down upon thee with great vengeance and furious roid rage those who attempt to outwrestle and expose my brothers. And you will know my name as the Bookerman, when I lay my catchphrase upon thee!"

DDP & Kevin: *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!*

-From MrJF's Pulp Bookerman

www.mozilla.org go here and make the switch, you won't regret it!

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