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Not sure why, but I've gotten really back into the Harry Potter series this past month. Maybe because of the previews of the next movie that have shown up. So I went back and read the books for the second time ever, with a mind toward figuring out what may be to come. I assume that spoiler warnings need not apply since the books have been out for a while, but if you are only watching the movies perhaps you will want to move along. Sorry, I have thoughts in my head I need to get out and this is the only place I could think of.

First, for the title of the thread. Harry is definatly not a Horcrux. It is mentioned in almost every book that Voldemort went to the Potters house to kill Harry. And that the only reason he survived is because his mother protected him with a spell of some kind. It's stated rather factually that he is the only one to survive a AK curse. Plus, it makes sense for what happened to Voldemort. The spell went back on him, but it couldn't kill him either because of the horcruxes. So he was reduced to the part of this soul that was left in him. Voldemort has also tried many times now including a direct AK curse in Goblet, to kill Harry. Wouldn't make sense for him to kill a part of his soul. Also I noticed that when Harry tells Dumbledor about Voldemort taking some of his blood when he returns to form that Harry thinks he saw a ...can't recall the words but he basically thinks he sees DD with a "that's a good thing" look on his face for a second. Could be important for how Harry kills VD in the end.

Next, Snape. He is the biggest question I think and I'm pretty positive he's a good guy. Well at least on the right side. DD and Snape are overheard having a conversation, maybe by Hagrid, I can't recall, in the last book where Snape is saying he doesn't want to do something and DD is insisting he must. Considering he had already made the Unbreakable Vow, it can't be that he wants to leave his role as spy for the Order. he would not be able to fufill the vow and would die.

Plus as we've been told a million times, Voldemort fears Dumbledor. It seems that every time he goes after Harry, DD helps in one way or another to foil him. Very directly in OotP. DD knows that this must come to a head and soon, or VD will be allowed to become too powerful to stop. So he and Snape put in a plan to either kill him outright, or stage the killing so that VD will advance on Potter and we can have an ending to this mess.

I say "stage the killing" only because we have learned that they can do spells without speaking and I wonder if that means they could perform one spell while saying another. Doubtful on this one, but possible.

As to why DD trusts Snape, I am with those that think its because Snape loved Harry's mother. I don't buy that she ever felt for him, just that she was nice to him, as was shown in a Snapes thoughts. Why VD would tell her she didn't have to die, just step out of the way so he can kill Harry, may be nothing or it may mean that Snape requested she be left alive for him. I don't know but I think something here is why Snape turned to good. He does insult Harry's mother, but perhaps more because of his dislike of Harry and his father, as Snape is a "Half Blood Prince" himself.

Also DD talks normally in every situation, never getting out of sorts and never looking weak. Even when talking with all the Death Eaters in the last book, he is calm and collected. Until Snape arrives when all he does is plead with him before it ends. It's not in character and says to me he wants Snape to do it before someone else does. He was stalling them all until Snape could arrive.

As for Wormtail, I think he will turn on VD at some point to help Harry in the final book. Maybe he is the secret keeper of where to find VD or a Horcrux. He showed slight signs of being in Harry's debt for saving his life.

Of course Neville will play a role, but I think it will be more that he is the one to kill Lestrange than help Harry against VD directly. Avenge his parents and all.

I don't think they will attend school in the last book, but they will be at Hogwarts, likely in a search for a Horcrux. I have to imagine that as quickly as Sirius's brother was killed by the Death Eaters that he was only able to destroy that one Horcrux. I only wonder who helped him. DD made a point to say one alone could not have done it. I have zero idea who this might have been, but am almost sure it will out in the end. When cleaning the Black house, they came across a heavy locket and I would assume that it is the one they were searching for, left by RB himself. Sorry if anyone had not made the connection of who RB was, but I thought it obvious enough to go with.

Also I read something from the author that a person would do magic that we did not expect it from. I'm betting that would be Harry's Aunt. Not sure in what regard, but it would make sense with her having a magical sister.

Anyway, again kinda strange time to bring it up but if anyone has holes in my theories or additional ideas I'd love to have some discussion on it.

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Funny, I've been rereading HBP recently and thinking about some of these things. A couple of points:

- Voldemort also tried an AK curse in OoTP, but Fawkes stopped it from getting Harry.

- According to JK Rowling Dumbledore is dead. She hasn't tended to lie about such things in the past so I am going to believe that. Not that Snape might not still be on the side of Harry, but I don't think DD is still alive. I do think though he will be a major part of Book 7. After all, those portraits are mighty chatty.

- Wormtail I suspect will not actually do anything actively to help Harry, but more likely will have a crisis of conscience where his inaction helps Harry/good guys in some way or another.

- I wonder if Kreacher might not have been on the boat with Regulus.

I can't wait for Book 7. So many questions to be answered!



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Yeah I figured as much about DD, I just think it wasn't worth it to go that way. Especially since I'm still convinced that Snape did it at DD's request. Would make for a nice ending to know that Snape was the MOST loyal of everyone to Dumbledor, enough even to kill him.

I thought about Kreacher too, but I just don't like that so I'm going with someone we haven't thought of or possibly don't even know yet. It wouldn't be anyone in the Order, as DD would have known and not gone after the fake one. So ...maybe another Death Eater was trying to help quietly but once Regulus was killed went into hiding or back to working the Death Eaters. Any other Death Eaters been reluctant to help or a little too nervous at times? I'm asking because I can't recall other than Malfoy's wife and I would be shocked if it was her. Although wait, she is related to Sirius and thus Regulas, right? Hmmmm.


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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Yeah I figured as much about DD, I just think it wasn't worth it to go that way. Especially since I'm still convinced that Snape did it at DD's request. Would make for a nice ending to know that Snape was the MOST loyal of everyone to Dumbledor, enough even to kill him.

    I thought about Kreacher too, but I just don't like that so I'm going with someone we haven't thought of or possibly don't even know yet. It wouldn't be anyone in the Order, as DD would have known and not gone after the fake one. So ...maybe another Death Eater was trying to help quietly but once Regulus was killed went into hiding or back to working the Death Eaters. Any other Death Eaters been reluctant to help or a little too nervous at times? I'm asking because I can't recall other than Malfoy's wife and I would be shocked if it was her. Although wait, she is related to Sirius and thus Regulas, right? Hmmmm.




I wonder if perhaps a wizard who has used animagus powers to transform might have been able to ride on the boat. In that case perhaps Sirius rode along with his brother. Not sure why Sirius wouldn't have told anyone that...unless maybe Sirius flirted with the dark side at one point and didn't want anyone to know.



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    Originally posted by spf
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      Yeah I figured as much about DD, I just think it wasn't worth it to go that way. Especially since I'm still convinced that Snape did it at DD's request. Would make for a nice ending to know that Snape was the MOST loyal of everyone to Dumbledor, enough even to kill him.

      I thought about Kreacher too, but I just don't like that so I'm going with someone we haven't thought of or possibly don't even know yet. It wouldn't be anyone in the Order, as DD would have known and not gone after the fake one. So ...maybe another Death Eater was trying to help quietly but once Regulus was killed went into hiding or back to working the Death Eaters. Any other Death Eaters been reluctant to help or a little too nervous at times? I'm asking because I can't recall other than Malfoy's wife and I would be shocked if it was her. Although wait, she is related to Sirius and thus Regulas, right? Hmmmm.




    I wonder if perhaps a wizard who has used animagus powers to transform might have been able to ride on the boat. In that case perhaps Sirius rode along with his brother. Not sure why Sirius wouldn't have told anyone that...unless maybe Sirius flirted with the dark side at one point and didn't want anyone to know.


I don't think Sirius makes sense. He was open about his families dark past. Also, when thinking about Kreacher, they seem to be leaving out thus far as much of the house elf stuff as possible in the movies. I wonder if that will continue or not? SPEW to this point has been, well pointless for the most part. We haven't seen that Dobby is now working at Hogwarts or that he was the one to give Harry the gillyweed. They completly left out Crouch's house elf.

that's not to say that they she can't go with that type of thing it the book, just that in the movies it would make for an akward transition since we don't have as much info on house elves as we do in the books.

Really I can't blame them. Most of the house elf inclusion felt pointless to me other than Dobby at first. Since then I think the movies have done well to find other ways to tell the story.

Anyway, I'm still not confident we are on the right track with that or that it will even matter. Just a random tought to begin with, but then again that's what makes this story so good. So many questions, but she continues to answer them very well to this point while providing new ones to keep us going.
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