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Since: 25.12.03
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So this is gonna by one of those introductory threads..sorta.

I'm Erin...25...woman...from Canada...just to get the basics out of the way. I have been watching wrestling off and on since the 80's but really became a bit of a fanatic in the late 90's and early 2000's...I then lost contact over the last couple of years due to being in the UK where wrestling...as far as I could find...was never shown. I did not keep up with it on the internet or anything of that sort. Now let's get to the fun part...


I'm a Hardcore Holly fan


Having checked out this forum over the last couple of weeks, I've gotten alot of bad sentiment from the people here about Hardcore and I'd like to "Air Some Grievances"...hell...it is Xmas after all!

* I will apologise in advance for poor spelling and serious abuse of the period *

Hmmm...where to start...

Title Summary:

- WWF World Tag-Team Champion w/ 1-2-3 Kid (1/22/95 - 1/23/95)
- NWA World Tag-Team Champion w/ Bart Gunn (3/30/98 - 8/14/98)
- WWF Hardcore Champion (2/14/99 - 3/15/99)
- WWF Hardcore Champion(2) (3/28/99 - 4/25/99)
- WWF World Tag-Team Champion(2) w/ Crash Holly (10/18/99 - 11/02/99)
- WWF Hardcore Champion(3) (4/02/00 - 4/03/00)
- WWF Hardcore Champion(4) (2/06/01)
- WWF Hardcore Champion(5) (2/10/01)
- WWF Hardcore Champion(6) (2/11/01)

PWI Achievement Awards: (0 wins, 1 1st RU, 1 2nd RU, 0 3rd RUs)
- 1994 Rookie of the Year, 1st Runner-Up
- 1999 Most Improved Wrestler, 2nd Runner-Up

*I won't include the one day IC title...*shrugs*...he did win it though

So let's talk...I guess I just don't understand why no one wants to stand up for this guy...I really don't. Are we all that enthusiastic about Brock Lesner??

Hardcore Holly may not be the "Top 50"...however they determined THAT is beyond me...or the "crowd favourite" but that doesn't mean that his YEARS of service...second only to Taker in terms of a straight run in years I believe... or the current level of his talent and crowd appreciation... which is fairly substantial even if some fans just wanna see him get throttled...reminds me of the early Angle days actually...should count him out of the spotlight. Whether people like Holly or not as a wrestler...THEY ARE WATCHING to see what happens with him versus Brock...it is..IMHO... one of few entertaining feuds in a season that has been filled with some pretty lack luster matches.

Now I appreciate that Hardcore had a crap gimmick to begin with as Thurman "Sparky" Plugg but Holly is a legitimate NASCAR driver if you didn't know...I think Vince thought he could grab a bit of that crowd with the "STP" run but it never caught...and Holly will be punished for that mistake for the rest of his career!!

I don't, however, believe that guys should be punished for gimmicks gone wrong...if I had a nickel for every wrestler who's had a crap gimmick, I'd be a very rich grrl. He's done a damn good job over the last 10 years with little to no support from the company and I respect that...I respect that he's earned some success over the last 5 years both with the crowd as Hardcore and against his opponents as well...hell they even trusted the guy to teach the newbie's on TE a thing or two...whether the show is a joke or not, I believe it takes some kind of ability to hand your years of experience over to a bunch of dorks who have no idea what they are actually receiving...they got an apprenticeship from a 10 year vet whose been everywhere but on top...where he belongs now even if for only a short while...

* I of course understand that Brock is the golden boy and ANYONE who happens to take the title from him will not have it long...I realised that the first time I watched SMACKDOWN, so I have no illusions there!! *

Holly had some great runs against the likes of Taker and Kane back in 90's before the arm break...why couldn't he bring that kinda fight to someone like Chris Benoit?? I wouldn't care if Benoit took the title shortly after as long as Holly got to stick around to make a show of it...I think they'd play fantastically against one another...but everyone seems to have such a stick up their ass about Hardcore getting a legit shot at being a face guy...I think if they gave him a chance...he could...at the VERY least...bring Benoit back to life!! He could be "Ricky the Dragon Steamboat" to Benoit's "Randy Savage"

I want to see my guy succeed but I also want to keep Benoit around as well...both want and deserve their shots at the title. In my opinion, Holly could take the title from Brock anywhere up to and including the next PPV event via whatever means necessary and he could drop the title to Chris shortly after if the fans didn't get behind him.

Now Benoit has been played as not being able to take on Brock for the title but if Brock is NOT the title holder then Chris is back in the game. Benoit versus Hardcore would, IMO, bring about an opportunity for Benoit to stretch his character in terms of mic skills...make him a bit more of a badass in an attempt to keep up with Holly...and Hardcore would have an opportunity to raise his wrestling to the next level against some sweet technical skill in Benoit. Neither guy is too big and with some fresh competition, could hopefully open up some new doorways for each other in terms of moves/repetoire...as well as popularity!!

Both guys would excel and we could see an new, fast paced and edgy competition...leaving Brock and Cena (or even Angle??) to factor against each other as well as against Hardcore and Benoit. Possibilities arise for good 4 way's as well as some possible tag team matchups and double crosses.

I think Hardcore's taken very VERY bad breaks...both of his arm (Kurt Angle) and neck (Brock Lesner)...at pivital points in his career...Angle broke his arm just as the Hardcore persona was taking off against the heavyweights... but Holly has had the guts and determination to claw his way back to the top each time. How can you not feel a little for a guy in that position?? I love to watch him wrestle..he entertains me EVERY time... and am frustrated that the best he's gotten is to be a step ladder for other guys careers. I think he has strong technical skill and decent mic skills...he's already shown he can hold his own through years of Vince's garbage and gimmicks. He's able to compete with the likes on Benoit, Cena and Lesner any day of the week and look GOOD doing it!!

Addressing some of the issues that people have with Hardcore...TE3 is an example...where I personally would have paid money for an experience that allowed me to step in the ring with a pro...even if he went to town on me...as well as the " bomb gone wrong" against Brock...where accusations have flown about BOTH guys being dicks over the situation but Hardcore gets played up because he WASN'T the guy sucking Heyman's cock at the time!!

Now I've heard all kinds of crap about TE3 and I'm with Hardcore on this one. I understand that you need to trust and respect the guy opposite you but what the hell had this kid done to earn Holly's respect?? He thinks he should just be able to step into the ring and be babyed by a pro 'cus he's new?? Bullshit!! If you can't give as well as your receiving, then get the fuck out of the ring...its not dance class people...poeple get injured...people get shit on...people DIE...and this kid whines cus he stepped into the ring and left with a black eye and some bruises?? Consider what Hardcore did a favour to the audience...spot the pussy and see he gets dropped in a hurry...that kid never would have cut it in the WWE and the last thing we needed was another hanger-on!! If Holly had been out there to REALLY hurt the kid...he would have left on a stretcher.

And as for Brock...well...I'll never know what went on there...but I can certainly speculate Brock was sick...accident...Holly was stiffing Brock...Brock got revenge...oh and let's talk about trust NOW people...Holly didn't sell and hurt himself...well that's his own damn fault if that's what happened...I mean I'm a fan but if he made a CHOICE not to sell the move, then he does deserve what he got...he paid the price for his own arrogance.

People...I'm not looking for a Hardcore love fest here...I think he deserves respect and I think this match against Brock could go a long way to earning that for him. Feel free to take me apart piece by piece...if you wanna stand up and tell me why he sucks...then I'm here, fists up and ready to rumble If you just wanna puke up some garbage response about Spark Plugg...do it somewhere else!

Cheers,

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
I'm coming up on 400 posts, and I don't think I've said that much TOTAL. Nice work.

I think my biggest hang-up about Hardcore Holly is that he's not been a proven draw, and I don't know that I'll necessarily blame that on a lack of a push or a lack of a realistic and interesting storyling. His super-heavyweight push a couple of years back was interesting, but it was limited in its length and therefore grew old quickly.

Then they threw in Crash and Molly, and I lost ALL interest.
Matt Tracker
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Since: 8.5.03
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
Let me distill the argument to this:


    but Holly has had the guts and determination to claw his way back to the top each time. How can you not feel a little for a guy in that position??


Do you mean claw his way back up as in "he's recovered" or "he's earned his spot as a top-tier name"? If it's the first, OK, he's shown he's tough. Wrestling with a broken arm (and using that arm for irish whips) earns mucho kudos. Coming back from a broken neck too.

If you mean the latter, well, I disagree. And I'm the guy who initially argued for him to have a feud with Brock. I said he should return, get a hotshot angle, batter Brock for a bit for revenge sake but ultimately lose. I never argued for him to linger in the main event. Let me move on.


    I love to watch him wrestle..he entertains me EVERY time... and am frustrated that the best he's gotten is to be a step ladder for other guys careers. I think he has strong technical skill and decent mic skills...he's already shown he can hold his own through years of Vince's garbage and gimmicks. He's able to compete with the likes on Benoit, Cena and Lesner any day of the week and look GOOD doing it!!


Here's where we split. Hardcore's got a limited repertoire. He's never shown much range and that limits him as a main eventer unless he has some otherwise compelling element. He's not that charismatic, not that great a promo guy and the catchphrase "how you like me now" is delivered with all the force of a mic check.

I argue for a mini-feud because it would give Brock a subplot building to WrestleMania. So Holly would get a PPV title shot and the chance the audience can get behind HIM and not just whoever Brock is facing.

What's diminishing my support for this is that he's had one match since making his return and he watched most of that. He's being kept out of the spotlight and I think it's because the WWE doesn't want to show his limits against Brock as Steiner was exposed against Hunter. Whatever the real reason, Holly's recent conspicuous absence from action doesn't instill suspense in me. It makes him look like all bark and no bite. He's not being helped as a threat to Brock with runs-in.

Blame the writers. Blame the guy. Either way, something I was cheering for not so long ago is now something I shrug over.




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Since: 22.9.03
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.60
Holly was kinda cool in SMW.

Downhill from there..Minus the first few weeks of the super heavy-weight deal.



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Since: 20.8.03
From: New Jersey, USA

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
In actuality, I haven't heard as much criticism over Holly's main event spot as I had expected. That's mainly because the WWE has done a good job with this Brock/Holly feud thus far. However, it's still true that most fans do not want to see Holly in a main event probably ever again, so if WWE books Holly like this past the Rumble, expect much much more bitching. For most fans right now (including yours truly), there's only room for one wrestler with all H's in his initials to whine about.

The way you put his career the last three years with those two injuries makes it seem like Angle and Lesnar themselves encouraged this push. Of course, that's just my own speculation based on their personalities. What I do know is that the way they implemented Holly into the main program this past month has been really successful. This marks the biggest difference between Lesnar's Smackdown and Hunter's Raw. Smackdown took a blah midcarder like Holly and with the help of Lesnar and Heyman's on-screen performances, has made him out to be a much bigger threat than he really is. Raw, meanwhile, took extremely talented almost-main eventers like Booker, Kane, RVD, and Jericho, treated them like crap compared to HHH in a couple of lifeless programs, and all of their main event potential has since fizzled out.

As a result, Holly in the main event seems fresh because they're booking it correctly. A Holly/HHH feud, by contrast, would be absolutely the worst feud in the history of professional wrestling. And by the way, a Benoit/Holly feud would be atrocious. Their personality styles would not mesh into an entertaining feud. And to even insinuate that Holly is anything like Steamboat has to be a sin.

On a related note, one thing I like about WWE pushing Holly, however sincere it may be, is that this is a guy who has been with the company for so long and he is finally getting a shot at the top. This enforces the idea among the locker room that if you stick around long enough and wait for your turn, you may get it. I think part of this push is sympathy from the two top guys putting him on the shelf for so long, but regardless, having Holly in the main event must be a morale booster among wrestlers. Let's just hope WWE's #3 (behind Taker and Holly) doesn't get a shot at the main event, because god damn, Billy Gunn will never be over.
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Since: 25.12.02

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
Erin...please...learn...to...use...your...ellipses...properly.

I recall one funny Hardcore Holly segment in the last decade. It started like this: "Big Show, last week you threw a car on me." I do not believe this guy can tell a story, I do not believe he knows how to connect with an audience.

But the reason why my hatred for Hardcore Holly is only rivaled by my hatred for Bradshaw is because of what an ass he proved himself to be on TE 3 when, during what was supposed to be a worked match, he beat the hell out of Matt. That was a sad display of macho bullshit, a man who has been unable to make a distinct name for himself in the squared circle instead deciding to do it by beating up on someone who he knew could not fight back in the same way. And then getting injured by Brock because he wouldn't sell the move properly? This guy is a joke.

Welcome to the board, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Spark Plug. (You're not actually BB the Paramedic, are you?)

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Since: 22.1.02
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
Anyone ever notice how it's always the perrenial midcarders like Bob Holly and Bubba Ray Dudley who seem to enjoy beating the crap out of newcomers in the name of "respect?"

There was a recent match between the Duds and La Resistance where Bubba was clearly stiffing his opponent and bellowing something about "having a little respect." Of course, he may have have been asking about tips on starting the Atkins diet and I misheard.

The point is that guys like Bob Holly and Bubba Ray Dudley are like that asshole sophomore in high school who enjoyed hazing freshman. And, much like the Ben Affleck character in "Dazed and Confused," those guys eventually get their comeuppance - be it a bucket of paint dumped on their heads, or a sloppy powerbomb, veneral disease from too many shower rape-a-thons, or just being a fat, untalented sack of shit.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
    Originally posted by Ta2grrl
    A whole lot of stuff . . .



And he has a hell of a getto booty.



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Since: 22.9.03
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.58
Okay, in a thread I started a while back, we determined that Bradshaw did not, in fact, commit rape, and was trying to teach a bad man a lesson.

Maybe.

I don't take Vince McMahon's word on anything. That aside, I've heard enough rumors about Bradshaw to dislike him, and as a performer he has yet to entertain me in the slightest.

!!! Perhaps to be completely fair I would have to stop being a fan of someone who entertained me, yet legitamately does something I cannot accept. Usually I don't have that conflict. Except with the HBK. That's complicated. Yet on his DVD he did give massive amounts of respect to my boy...

(Note, one ellipses. In moderation, they're ok)

Returning to the topic, what about Brock? He didn't intend to break Holly's neck, but deliberately dropping him out of anger is serious.






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Since: 25.12.03
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
Well..I must certainly say I was expecting alot more abuse and negativity but so far everyone seems to have decent reasons for not liking my guy...I do disagree with most of them but then that IS my job as a fan

In response:

TE3... pretty much said all I had to say about that...same with the Brock Lesner bullshit. No one here...unless someone here is actually Robert Howard *aka Hardcore Holly*
knows what the REAL deal was over those two incidents and I'm pretty sure that I'M not gonna change anyone's opinions so...I ain't gonna try cus it's a moot point!! To asteroidboy and jivesoulbro...we agree to disagree. And no...I'm not BB/Kathy Dingman *formerly married to Bob Holly for those who didn't know*

ParagonofVirtue...I believe that Hardcore has ALWAYS been a threat but has never been promoted as one and when he HAD started the push himself against the heavyweights...he broke his arm against Kurt Angle. Now he's pushed again and taken an injury against Brock Lesner...hopefully he can turn this to his advantage and get the fan support for HIMSELF...as Matt pointed out... as opposed to the fan support for being anyone but Brock!!

Matt Tracker...I think you and I are more or less on the same page. I agree that his repetoire is limited...or at least offered to fans as limited...some guys have lists of moves 5 pages long but aren't allowed to use any of them...and that's why I push for him versus Benoit. IMHO nobody tops Chris technically and I think that facing someone...who isn't the fucking Atrain or MM for one...would force him to step up or shut-up. I believe Holly has it in him NOW to be a top-tier wrestler or at least a hell of a lot closer then he has been for the past 10 years. I do disagree that he and Benoit would be a bad match-up...obviously ;)...cus they could teach each other some seriously good lessons both on the technical side as well as on the entertainment side. I could easily find myself entertained watching them grow up a bit against each other even if it took them behind Brock and Angle/whoever...I'm not pushing him as the "main event" or the "golden boy" but I think the IC or US title ...or whatever the hell they're calling that damn thingy now... is easily within reach for him...after he beats the piss out of Brock of course

As for the run-ins...I'm a bit paranoid too. I agree that they do little after the first 3 or 4 and I'm hoping that he has taken the time to recover fully from his injury so that if he does come out the winner against Brock, he'll look good doing it!! I think the "suspension" and the early DQ from Survivor Series were in large part due to his neck not being fully recovered. I kinda got the impression that he may have been expected back earlier but was not able to heal quickly enough...thus the delay in the feud. I'm hoping that some crap writer didn't decide that making people wait over 2 months for a feud to BEGIN to be settled was ok!!

eviljonhunt81...you lost me mate...

Cheers,

Erin






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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.36
    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    There was a recent match between the Duds and La Resistance where Bubba was clearly stiffing his opponent and bellowing something about "having a little respect." Of course, he may have have been asking about tips on starting the Atkins diet and I misheard.


I'm no Bubba fan by ANY stretch, but I believe this was just part of his character teaching those EEEVIL foreigners to "respect" our country.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.36
Erin: WHere in Canada are you from? You'll find a good number of Canucks here.

In response to the Holly love-in here, I don't think I've ever marked out once when watching a Holly segment or match. I believe the only few times I found him moderately amusing was when he was teasing a face trn with Val Venis on Velocity a number of years. You could see that he was enjoying the tweener thing there.



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Since: 25.12.03
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by LotusMegami
    Returning to the topic, what about Brock? He didn't intend to break Holly's neck, but deliberately dropping him out of anger is serious.





Not only serious but...if he DID drop Holly on purpose...its assault in my book.

SOK: I'm currently living in Vancouver but I've also lived in Edmonton, Calgary and Toronto...I was actually born back east but have spent most of my time in the west!!

Cheers,

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Since: 23.1.02
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
How is Brock dropping Holly assualt, and Holly beating the crap out of Matt in TE3 not?

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From what I recall about the Holly/Brock affair, Holly intentionally stiffened up to "teach the newcomer a lesson," only to get it turned back around.

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
As a longtime fan, I just don't buy Hardcore Holly as a serious contender. He hasn't racked up wins against top contenders or past champions (like John Cena has), and he hasn't done anything worthy of note since returning. He hasn't had a string of noteworthy main event matches, so I figure this whole thing will be over & done with by the Royal Rumble.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.36
Look, Hardcore...
1) is not over
2) has never demonstrated himself to be a sympathetic face 3) has like 3 moves
4) cannot believably beat Lesnar since Brock has obliterated everyone on Smackdown
5) Has never, ever defeated a top-tier wrestler
6) has never participated in a match above ***
7) will participate in a ** match where BROCK is the one carrying
8) does not deserve to be in a slot that deserves to go to Benoit, Guerrero and or even Cena
9) Has missed virtually the past 2 years due to injury, comes back and finds himself in a main event slot where guys like Benoit, Guerrero and Mysterio wrestle night in and night out and consistently put guys over. When was the last time Hardcore put someone over in a way that made his opponent look good?


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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.22
    Originally posted by Ta2grrl
    Now I've heard all kinds of crap about TE3 and I'm with Hardcore on this one. I understand that you need to trust and respect the guy opposite you but what the hell had this kid done to earn Holly's respect?? He thinks he should just be able to step into the ring and be babyed by a pro 'cus he's new?? Bullshit!! If you can't give as well as your receiving, then get the fuck out of the ring...its not dance class people...poeple get injured...people get shit on...people DIE...and this kid whines cus he stepped into the ring and left with a black eye and some bruises??


It's a case of putting your body in somebody else's responsibility, and having that person abuse it. Hardcore Holly is well known as someone who works "snug". Same as people like Benoit & Austin. If someone works snug with you in the ring, it gives you the right to work snug back. It's give & take. Holly wasn't working snug on Cappotelli, he was stiff-shotting him on the head & neck. That's unprofessional in the ring, and it's even worse in training. The idea is to not leave marks, because everybody's working a different town the next day, and unless somebody's part of a injury storyline, you don't leave sign of a new injury there intentionally.

If someone is desperate to go stiff on somebody, chops are enough.




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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.31
    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
      Originally posted by Ta2grrl
      Now I've heard all kinds of crap about TE3 and I'm with Hardcore on this one. I understand that you need to trust and respect the guy opposite you but what the hell had this kid done to earn Holly's respect?? He thinks he should just be able to step into the ring and be babyed by a pro 'cus he's new?? Bullshit!! If you can't give as well as your receiving, then get the fuck out of the ring...its not dance class people...poeple get injured...people get shit on...people DIE...and this kid whines cus he stepped into the ring and left with a black eye and some bruises??


    It's a case of putting your body in somebody else's responsibility, and having that person abuse it. Hardcore Holly is well known as someone who works "snug". Same as people like Benoit & Austin. If someone works snug with you in the ring, it gives you the right to work snug back. It's give & take. Holly wasn't working snug on Cappotelli, he was stiff-shotting him on the head & neck. That's unprofessional in the ring, and it's even worse in training. The idea is to not leave marks, because everybody's working a different town the next day, and unless somebody's part of a injury storyline, you don't leave sign of a new injury there intentionally.

    If someone is desperate to go stiff on somebody, chops are enough.


I'll always remember this quote from Hardcore Holly about Cappotelli on TE3: "I don't know you, so I don't have to respect you." It's funny, my friends and I always toss that quote out there when talking about wrestling and Bob Holly.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
    Originally posted by Freeway420
    As a longtime fan, I just don't buy Hardcore Holly as a serious contender. He hasn't racked up wins against top contenders or past champions (like John Cena has)

I think they can get away with the Hardcore Holly push because:

A. He's been gone for a long time (which gives the casual fan time to forget his past "lack of success").

B. Hardcore does look and act like a believable badass.


I don't have any problem with the Hardcore Holly character. I liked his "super heavyweight" push and I liked his tag team with Crash. However, I still don't think Hardcore Holly could make a believable or marketable WWE Champion. They should save the honor of beating the monster Lesnar for someone they have faith in to carry the ball for the longer term.


As for the Tough Enough situation, I think Holly was TOTALLY wrong there. Matt was in no position to fight back. He had been getting bombarded with respecting the business and the veteran wrestlers (especially the trainers, which is what Holly was in that situation). Plus, he was in a competition and a slip up, such as losing his cool and fighting back, could have cost him the contract. There is a difference between "working stiff" and "taking liberties". I think Holly crossed the line and was taking liberties rather than just working stiff.

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Yeah, but the resignation was long after it was clear that he wasn't the heir.
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