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Since: 2.1.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
Strong start, disappointing finish, and an overall downhill slide.

THE RETURN OF THE STEEL ASYLUM MATCH
Suicide vs. Chris Sabin vs. Amazing Red vs. Alex Shelley vs. Black Machismo vs. Daniels vs. Consequences Creed vs. D'Angelo Dinero

Daniels wins via escape, as is the new #1 Contender for the X Title. This was a total blast. Dinero (Elijah Burke) looked good, and looks to be starting a feud with Suicide, as he gave up a chance to win to go after him. MCMG did some great stuff as well, as always.

BOUNTY MATCH
Abyss vs. Jethro Holliday

Abyss wins with the Black Hole Slam, decisively, but not a squash. Dr. Stevie was upset and Jethro knocked him down afterward.

MATCH FOR THE WORLD TITLE SHOT BRIEFCASE
Hernandez vs. Big Rob of The British Invasion

Hernandez tosses out Magnus and Williams and hits Rob with a shoulder block -- for the pin. Literally ten seconds long. Quezzy goes "Aw MAN."

NEW JAPAN IWGP CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Champions The British Invasion vs. Beer Money, Inc

Brits retain with a low blow and small package after interference by Eric Young. Pretty good.

TNA KNOCKOUT WOMEN'S CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Champion Angelina Love vs. ODB w/ Cody Deaner

This is a tag match -- ODB and Deaner vs. Love and Sky. (Before the match, Deaner makes sexual harrasement jokes -- ah, comedy, it's all about the timing.) Comedy match. Somewhat predictably, Deaner gets the pin and the belt. Thank you, Russo *clap clap clap-clap-clap*

TNA X DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Champion Homicide vs. Samoa Joe w/ Taz

Joe wins with the Coquina Clutch. Curiously bad. Slow, workmanlike -- felt like a demonstration rather than a match. Joe in particular looked sluggish and, well, kinda lousy.

TNA WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Champions Booker T & Scott Steiner vs. Team 3D

Booker & Steiner retain, but -- there were two refs (because it was falls count anywhere) so of course each ref counted a pin simultaneously with different teams winning. The refs wandered off and reviewed the tape, and then awarded the match to Steiner & Booker. New, but not nearly as dramatic as it was probably supposed to be.

TNA LEGENDS CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Champion Mick Foley vs. Kevin Nash

Not good, but short enough to not be horrible. Both guys bled a bunch. Kevin wins after a distraction by Traci Brooks (not Jenna?). Abyss comes out afterward to spark a feud with Nash.

TNA WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Champion Kurt Angle vs. Sting vs. Matt Morgan

Angle retains with a chairshot on Morgan, after playing possum for a while (and distracting the ref while Sting and Morgan traded "moral victory" pins with each other). Felt very short and the decision to let Angle retain is, at this point, pretty disappointing.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
I had the whole Mafia-has-all-the-belts thing called right, but then I changed it when I heard about Angle. Unbelievable. I hope Rhaka Khan can end up suing them until she owns the company. I mean, they won't punish Angle for beating her--but if she starts dating someone in the company who *doesn't* beat her, him they'll punish, right? I mean, I'm not saying I really think TNA is liable for what happens to her, but it's so frustrating that they can't even show a semblance of caring.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.78
Even WCW at their worst never let a guy hold the top title in the promotion a day after the kind of arrest Kurt Angle just had. Just complete and utter stupidity. TNA should be ashamed of themselves.

Nothing else good to be said here, except for the opening two matches, for different reasons. The opener was incredibly hot and the second match is showing that at least there's some level of commitment in turning Hernandez into a monster.

(edited by It's False on 17.8.09 0255)



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.53
I guess I'm easier to please. I thought the ring work was pretty solid. Hernandez/Joe wasn't as good as expected and Foley/Nash was bad, but not horrible. Steiner and Booker at least tried pretty damn hard. But the booking is just horrible.

1. When was the last time MCMG was in a match and wasn't the best part of the match? It's been so long I can't even remember. Get them in a tag feud already. The double team moves are great but in an 8 man X Division match it seems weird. I mean there's like EIGHT guys, shouldn't one of them break up a double team move? Also The Pope looked good and his feud with Suicide could be fun but I guess this ends any smidgen of hope that TNA was going to finish the MCMG/Suicide storyline.

2. ODB was announced the winner of the Knockout Championship and is listed as the champion on the TNA website. Hopefully Deaner running off with the title will just lead to a funny segment with Deaner/ODB but if it's anymore than that then this is awful. I was already digging the women's division when it was Beautiful People/ODB/Taylor/Daffney/Kong/Saed. Since then they've added Alissa, Sarita and Victoria and brought back D'Amore. This division is way too good to be a joke.

3. Like I said, I thought Booker and Steiner tried hard and the match wasn't bad but the ending was dumb. I'm not bothered they went with the two referees counting at the same time but they needed to explain why they made the decision. The referees looked at a replay that was indecisive and then crowned MEM the champions, but they never said why. Did the refs think Team 3D was pinned first? Was it a no contest and the champs retain? Is Slick Johnson in MEM's pocket? We need some explanation as to WHY the refs chose MEM not just an announcement that they chose MEM.

4. Angle as the champion makes no sense. Okay, maybe they don't want to pull the trigger on Morgan winning. Maybe they don't want to pull the trigger on Hernandez winning but putting the title on Sting until they figure out what is going on with Angle is a pretty easy decision to make. If at some point they decide to bring Angle back then losing the title to Sting won't hurt him and Sting losing the title back to Angle won't hurt Sting. My guess is that TNA thinks that either the MEM storyline is too important for Angle to drop the belt or they think Angle/Lashley is too important, but I don't know anybody that is excited about either.

At least we have Daniels vs. Joe to look forward to?



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.32
I bought it last night and the asylum was awesome enough for me not to fill too ripped off. My wife had a great point that after all these excellent X-Division matches, the PPV tends to go downhill til the sucky main events recently. TNA needs to pace stuff out in their PPV. The X-Division should not be the show opener save that for Abyss or SuperMex trashing a team that Beer Money couldn't beat. I am glad they have OBD as the champ instead of Deaner makes it less offensive. I am also a little leary of a company that is coming 36 hours after having their top star getting arrested for stalking to make a match where women are getting abuse by a man.

Speaking of women beaters, Kurt being champ is a huge reason TNA is where they are instead of really competing with WWE. Sure, they are beating Superstars and ECW in the ratings, but they should be doing better then that. They should be putting up better numbers with the talent they have. Yet, they have no understanding of how to run a wrestling show in the information age. Your world champ's face is all over TMZ and even know as I speak the local ESPN is reporting the arrest this morning. They need to stop living in TNAland where the internet doesn't exist and WWE cast-offs deserve big pushes even though there is a reason WWE didn't want most of them. This reminds me so much of the territories where as long as the wrestler was over with the booker or management it didn't matter what he did off the field. Guess what, we no longer live in the 70s, 80s or even the early 90s. We live in age when citizens are rising up in Iran using facebook and a media that even if you are a D level star like Kurt, your arrest is going to lead it being reported on. We live in a celebrity culture and all of those people working for TNA are celebrities no matter where they are on the booking card. TNA needed to make an example of Kurt last night for their own sake for showing they are more then some red-neck, idiotic carny freakshow/soap opera. We all know the outcomes are fixed, but you even so it sets a bad example of how TNA is willing to reward guys even though they just took a giant dump on their image. I thought TNA was going to be an alternative for WWE fans with some high moral values, right Dixie? I guess not, I guess its better to send home one of the guy who helped build your company, because his not so secret relationship with one of the wrestler's ex-wives gets out on a radio show not many people listen to. As opposed to giving the spotlight to a guy who just got arrested for stalking one of your employees while having a number of steroids in his car while it leads most of the Sunday and Monday news. Just grade A stupid.

(edited by lotjx on 17.8.09 0738)
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.81
Maybe they just didn't want to do a title change when EVERYONE knew it was going to happen? Chalk that up to another thing they swiped from WWE, perhaps.

If Angle was originally booked to win, why have him drop the belt now to either Sting or Morgan, 2 guys that (for different reasons) few people want to see as champion. He could easily drop the belt this week to someone else more deserving. Or, they could wait for more information to come in before condemning the guy to Hell. Or dare I say, hear both sides of the story.

If Angle did beat her up, and/or does not have a script for the drugs, he should be gone. TNA was put in a bad situation with about 24 hours notice, and I am sure they did what they thought was right at the moment.




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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.74
The cynic in me says TNA is looking at this as 'As Long as the media gets our name right, who cares'. There weren't protesters outside ballparks during the playoffs last season when Brett Myers pitched, and there has not been a protest outside Turner Field calling for Bobby Cox's job, and both have been arrested for domestic abuse in the past. As for the HGH, what's the worst that happens to the company, being trotted out on Capital Hill? Yet again, more free publicity.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
    Kevin wins after a distraction by Traci Brooks (not Jenna?).


She's apparently out in Samoa filming the latest edition of All Star Survivor. It seems to have started filming within the last 10-12 days, so don't expect her back for another 6 weeks or so.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.56

    Also The Pope looked good and his feud with Suicide could be fun


I would hope so. That feud has had centuries worth of build-up. If every Catholic in the world tunes into the PPV, TNA will be the biggest wrestling company in the world overnight.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.53
    Originally posted by kentish
    Maybe they just didn't want to do a title change when EVERYONE knew it was going to happen? Chalk that up to another thing they swiped from WWE, perhaps.



If TNA had a live show then I'd be all for that. But every Impact is taped, some of them two weeks ahead of time. If there was a title change on Impact then everybody would know it was definitely happen rather than everybody having a pretty good idea. No title change on Impact is going to be surprising as long as they are a taped show.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
    Originally posted by Quezzy

    If TNA had a live show then I'd be all for that. But every Impact is taped, some of them two weeks ahead of time. If there was a title change on Impact then everybody would know it was definitely happen rather than everybody having a pretty good idea. No title change on Impact is going to be surprising as long as they are a taped show.


It may not be a surprise to you, but it will to the people who don't read spoilers. Believe it or not, a majority of wrestling fans (even TNA fans) don't run to the dirt sheets looking for every little tidbit of "information" there is to find. Hell, if it wasn't for this board, I wouldn't even know that Angle was in any sort of trouble. I've heard absolutely nothing about it elsewhere.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.54
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by Quezzy

      If TNA had a live show then I'd be all for that. But every Impact is taped, some of them two weeks ahead of time. If there was a title change on Impact then everybody would know it was definitely happen rather than everybody having a pretty good idea. No title change on Impact is going to be surprising as long as they are a taped show.


    It may not be a surprise to you, but it will to the people who don't read spoilers. Believe it or not, a majority of wrestling fans (even TNA fans) don't run to the dirt sheets looking for every little tidbit of "information" there is to find. Hell, if it wasn't for this board, I wouldn't even know that Angle was in any sort of trouble. I've heard absolutely nothing about it elsewhere.


You're crazy if you believe that. if Kurt Angle lost the title at this week's tapings almost every TNA fan would know before it aired even if they don't read the dirtsheets. Especially since the law is involved. If Kurt loses the title as a punishment it would be reported and word gets to the TNA fans. And if AJ Styles or a new person, like Morgan or Hernandez, wins the title then it definitely gets out. There is no argument you can make that a show that has already happened is somehow more unpredictable than a show that hasn't.

There are plenty of things they could have done to make the title match at the PPV unpredictable. They could have thrown AJ in, Hernandez could have cashed in his briefcase, Daniels could be rewarded for winning the Asylum and win the title, Joe could be thrown into the main event and walked away with the World and X titles. But nothing that happens on Impact is going to be unpredictable, especially with people keeping a close eye on Angle because of the situation.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.32
I guess you missed the ESPN scroll on Sunday morning as well as ESPN radio on Monday, too.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    You're crazy if you believe that. if Kurt Angle lost the title at this week's tapings almost every TNA fan would know before it aired even if they don't read the dirtsheets. Especially since the law is involved. If Kurt loses the title as a punishment it would be reported and word gets to the TNA fans. And if AJ Styles or a new person, like Morgan or Hernandez, wins the title then it definitely gets out. There is no argument you can make that a show that has already happened is somehow more unpredictable than a show that hasn't.


You have a very skewed view on how much the average wrestling fan pays attention to things when they're not actually watching the show. A majority of wrestling fans do not follow backstage bullshit. A majority of wrestling fans don't *want* to know what is going to happen on a show they haven't watched. And if you don't go *looking* for spoilers, you're not just going to randomly come across them, unless you happen to know some asshole who makes a point of reading them just to ruin it for others.

I realized how completely out of touch I was with the average fan when I went to an indie show that was supposed to be main evented by AJ Styles vs Shannon Moore. Shannon had a family tragedy and wasn't able to make the show. AJ sprained his ankle the day before the show and, while there, was unable to wrestle. But he "brought another TNA superstar" to take his place. Someone so awesome that they wouldn't even reveal who it was until it was time for the actual match, which was against a local indie guy I had never heard of. That "surprise replacement" turned out to be Billy Gunn. And you know what? The crowd went absolutely bat shit crazy for him. I have a hard time believing that the reaction would have been much louder if it had been Stone Cold or The Rock coming out of retirement. I heard more than one person comment about how much more awesome it was to get an old WWE guy than it was to see AJ. The average Internet fan would have been completely pissed off about the match. The average non-Internet fan was thoroughly entertained by it. The reason the WWE and TNA don't cater to the average Internet fan is because there are so few of them that if you gathered them all up, you'd still have to black out half of the arena. Otherwise, Ring of Honor would be the top wrestling company in the country.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    I guess you missed the ESPN scroll on Sunday morning as well as ESPN radio on Monday, too.


Probably so, since the only thing I watch on ESPN is the old AWA and UWF reruns in fast forward. I doubt I could get ESPN radio if I wanted to.
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