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- World Championship: Jeff Jarrett (c) v. AJ Styles (guest ref: Tito Ortiz)

I guess Jarrett is finally going to job but they've done this match hundreds of times already.

- X-Division Championship: Christopher Daniels (c) v. Shocker

Pretty much the only appealing match of the show. They usually give the X-Division matches time so hopefully this is no difference.

- Tag Team Championship: The Naturals (c) v. America's Most Wanted

The late Chris Candido was semi-managing the Naturals and his last appearance on TNA, he got them the tag titles so there's no way they're losing. And AMW is still stale.

- 20-Man Gauntlet for the Gold for a World Title Shot

I guess a heel wins this since I suspect AJ winning the gold.

- Clockwork House of Fun: Raven vs. Jeff Hardy

I forgot what this was. All I remember is I think Raven had this match with Sandman in '03.

- Diamond Dallas Page & BG James vs. Monty Brown & The Outlaw (or the Montys, if you will)

OK, possibilities are:
1) Monty Brown jobs as there's a rumor he wants to jump to WWE;
2) BG James turns heel and reunites with The Outlaw.


Outside of Daniels/Shocker, no thanks.

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Since the promotion began in June 2002, there have been four champs: Shamrock, Killings, Jarrett and Styles. Jarrett's had the title for 24 months. Two years of a promotion that will be three years old next month.

Styles is good, I'll agree. But the greater good he can provide right now is pushing talent as title contenders or pushing them by jobbing. In those three years, he's been the X champ four times for 6 months holding the title.

This is still a four-man title show for a promotion that has too much talent to limit the title picture to that extent.



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Agreed, the title picture in TNA is a touch stale, but who would you suggest they put the title on from the current roster? Nash and DDP are seen as old timers, enough to be credible filler challengers but hardly the face you want to put on a promotion that tries to sell itself as fresh and innovative. Raven? Possibly, but I'd argue they missed the boat with him two years ago and he needs some rebuilding before he's main event ready again.

Jarrett is just death as the champion and Styles, while he has held the belt before, is arguably the most popular guy in the promotion, so why not let him have a run with it. At least that way you are guaranteed quality matches surrounding your world title, something they haven't had recently with the old WCW 2000 main event crew. In other words, Styles is almost guaranteed to be an improvement on what they've had recently, so where is the harm?



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.62
    Originally posted by BigVitoMark
    Jarrett is just death as the champion and Styles, while he has held the belt before, is arguably the most popular guy in the promotion, so why not let him have a run with it. At least that way you are guaranteed quality matches surrounding your world title, something they haven't had recently with the old WCW 2000 main event crew. In other words, Styles is almost guaranteed to be an improvement on what they've had recently, so where is the harm?


Styles can only have good matches with other good wrestlers. He can't carry Outlaw, Nash or Jarrett but only so far. Now DDp used to be able to work creative spots, and I wonder if he could tear down the house with Styles. Then again, the DDP of yore was years ago.

If they wanna put the belt on Styles, and I quote from the Book of Lesnar, fine and dandy. But he's gotta be the guy to bring the promotion up from the muddle of WWF castoffs desperately trying to boost PPV ratings. He needs good matches with fresh talent, and, again, he needs to lose to them at times to put them over. They have to stop limiting the skilled youngsters to the X Division. You be better off to put the aforemention lunks in a Legends division. Styles can only be an improvement if the booking of the main event changes, and I have little confidence that's going to happen.



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At the risk of this becoming a two-man thread, I must say I agree. AJ Styles vs. The Outlaw isn't going to turn TNA's fortunes. I could definitely go for AJ vs. Daniels or AJ vs. Killings, though, as main event feuds. They do have to be selective of who else is getting pushed as one man can't carry the show.

I'm encouraged by the fact that Dusty Rhodes got the hook as booker, as it seemed it was when he took over that the fresh faces got bumped down to afterthought status and we got WCW 2000 Reunion Tour in their place.



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Full results here: http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_13233.shtml

(1) Team Canada's "Showtime" Eric Young and Petey Williams (w/Scott D’Amore) defeated Apolo and Sonny Siaki.

- I've come to find out that Scott D'Amore might be the new head TNA booker.

(2) In a mixed tag match, Michael Shane and Trinity defeated Chris Sabin and Traci Brooks (sporting Jimmy Jacobs style boots).

- Even though Traci used to manage Michael Shane anyway, this was the nonsensical heel turn of the night.


(3) In a "Clockwork Orange House of Fun Match", Raven defeated Sean Waltman.

- It was supposed to be Raven v. Jeff Hardy but the Freak (showing his new-found rejuvenation and dedication) miss his flight or something and no-showed.

(4) Monty Brown and the Outlaw defeated Ron "the Truth" Killings and Diamond Dallas Page.

- Eh. Though this featured the nonsensical run-in of the night starring the two fat frat guys, Phi Delta Slam.


(5) NWA World Tag Team champions the Naturals (Chase Stevens & Andy Douglas) defeated America's Most Wanted ("Tennessee Cowboy" James Storm & "Wildcat" Chris Harris)

- It looks like Shane Douglas is taking over as the Naturals' manager - no problems with that. I still say they need to split AMW or find SOMETHING interesting for them to do.

(6) NWA World X Division champion "Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels defeated "1000% Guapo" Shocker.

- I've heard it wasn't as good as it should've been. Still going to look for this match.

(7) In the 20 Man Gauntlet match to determine the number one contender to NWA World championship at the Slamiversary PPV, Abyss pinned Ron Killings.

(8) A.J. Styles became three time NWA World Heavyweight champion by defeating Jeff Jarrett with special referee Tito Ortiz.

Well, this means two things:
(1) It's Styles/Abyss in the Main Event of um... "Slammiversary" (pfft)
(2) Jeff Jarrett WON'T be in the Main Event.

OK, this is AJ's 3rd run with the big (little) belt and I'm hoping they don't botch it like the last two.






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Woot! AJ is champ again! This is pretty good news, since AJ has a few good heels (Daniels, Brown, Abyss, Raven) to feud with and chase his title while they try and figure out who the hell they can make their new flagship heel, assuming Jarrett's humble enough to take a feud with someone else. Maybe Brown, if he doesn't jump to WWE. I may actually have to start watching Impact again.



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    Originally posted by Kawshen
    Full results here: http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_13233.shtml

    (1) Team Canada's "Showtime" Eric Young and Petey Williams (w/Scott D’Amore) defeated Apolo and Sonny Siaki.

    - I've come to find out that Scott D'Amore might be the new head TNA booker.

    (2) In a mixed tag match, Michael Shane and Trinity defeated Chris Sabin and Traci Brooks (sporting Jimmy Jacobs style boots).

    - Even though Traci used to manage Michael Shane anyway, this was the nonsensical heel turn of the night.


    (3) In a "Clockwork Orange House of Fun Match", Raven defeated Sean Waltman.

    - It was supposed to be Raven v. Jeff Hardy but the Freak (showing his new-found rejuvenation and dedication) miss his flight or something and no-showed.

    (4) Monty Brown and the Outlaw defeated Ron "the Truth" Killings and Diamond Dallas Page.

    - Eh. Though this featured the nonsensical run-in of the night starring the two fat frat guys, Phi Delta Slam.


    (5) NWA World Tag Team champions the Naturals (Chase Stevens & Andy Douglas) defeated America's Most Wanted ("Tennessee Cowboy" James Storm & "Wildcat" Chris Harris)

    - It looks like Shane Douglas is taking over as the Naturals' manager - no problems with that. I still say they need to split AMW or find SOMETHING interesting for them to do.

    (6) NWA World X Division champion "Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels defeated "1000% Guapo" Shocker.

    - I've heard it wasn't as good as it should've been. Still going to look for this match.

    (7) In the 20 Man Gauntlet match to determine the number one contender to NWA World championship at the Slamiversary PPV, Abyss pinned Ron Killings.

    (8) A.J. Styles became three time NWA World Heavyweight champion by defeating Jeff Jarrett with special referee Tito Ortiz.

    Well, this means two things:
    (1) It's Styles/Abyss in the Main Event of um... "Slammiversary" (pfft)
    (2) Jeff Jarrett WON'T be in the Main Event.

    OK, this is AJ's 3rd run with the big (little) belt and I'm hoping they don't botch it like the last two.




So you didn't watch the show but you're commenting on the matches based on what you heard anyway? I thought it was a very good show. The opening tag match was solid and Siaki looked better than I've ever seen him. Apollo is a good big man, and Petey is one of the better workers in TNA. The mixed tag match was really good. Shane and Sabin are great together and it was even good when Trinity and Tracy were in the ring, they certainly did better than anything the WWE has done with their women lately. The turn by Tracy wasn't necessarily nonsensical, they haven't given the reason for the turn yet. The truth is, it was unexpected, unlike oh EVERY turn the WWE does. For the second ppv in a row Raven had a great hardcore match when it very easily could've been a train wreck. The Naturals and AMW had a good match and they are doing something with AMW, they're feuding with the Naturals, hence the title match. There is no way you break up the AMW, they are the best tag team in the United States and I don't think either one would be half as good on their own. The DDP/Killings vs. Outlaw/Monty Brown was not very good, and did have a meaningless run in, but that's the only way DDP would agree to job to Monty, and Monty was the one who needed to go over. Daniels vs. Shocker was not great, but if you were expecting it to then your expectations were too high, Shocker has shown nothing so far in TNA and thank goodness they decided not to give him the title. And in the Gauntlet Match and Championship match both of the right guys went over. So basically it was a show with 6 out of the 8 matches being good. I say that's pretty darn good.



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I can't really go any higher than "fair" for this one.

I found the Main Event deflating -- it's great that Styles won, and awesome that he went back to the Spiral Tap to do it. But -- it would have been great if he had to go back to the Tap to finally defeat JJ, but that's not really how it played out. JJ had just been pounced by Monty Brown and then punched out by Tito. At that point in the match, JJ was knocked out cold -- the Tap didn't seem like a last-ditch effort so much as it just came off as superfluous.

I agree with a lot of what Quezzy says -- about Williams, AMW, and Shocker (unfortunately) in particular -- although I find Apolo really dull and have since day one.

The Traci turn is not only not "necessarily nonsensical," it's not nonsensical at all. Shane and Traci never had any big "break up" issues that I recall -- they just one day weren't working together (like, when Dusty became booker). Sabin was a fool for trusting her, and I'm glad to see Traci and Shane back together (coincidentally, it happens as soon as Dusty's out as booker -- hmm).

The only question now is, what was Trinity's role in this? Co-conspirator or dupe? She kinda has to be dupe, just to keep the face/heel balance. (On the other hand, reports say Gail Kim was backstage at Impact...)

As far as AMW -- no, you really don't want to break them up, but what about a heel turn? I wouldn't mind AMW vs. Siaki & Apolo, say, or AMW vs. Hoyt and a partner (I vote for Test) or -- hey! -- AMW vs. the Hardy Boyz.

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This was my first NWA-TNA PPV and I was pleasantly surprised. It was definitely better than any of the WWE PPV's I've watched recently excluding Wrestlemania XXI. But definitely better than Royal Rumble and Backlash, will probably be better than Judgement Day as well.

I though the tag title match was great and a great tribute to Chris Candido.

I actually thought the X title match was pretty good, mainly because of Christopher Daniels. Daniels is pretty amazing and TNA is lucky they've got him for such a long term contract as he's probably one of their best workers. He's got great charisma and personality and he's a great in-ring worker. Anyone else like his music? I think it some of the better entrance music for TNA.

Styles/Jarrett was good, albeit kind of slow, and cool to see AJ win. TNA needs to get Jarrett out of the title picture for a while just as WWE needs to do the same with JBL and HHH. Freshen it up a little with Styles/Brown, Styles/Abyss, Styles/Raven, Styles/Daniels. I mean I think you got a few guys that could be great heels and contenders for Styles as champ.

I think it was a solid show with some good wrestling, a pretty good card. These days WWE can't even build up a solid 6 match for a 35 dollar PPV.

I think what the PPV was lacking, the production values were pretty sub-par, and you don't really get that kind of "big show" feel with WWE.




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