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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
On today's date in 1996, the nWo was born in Daytona Beach, FL, at Bash at the Beach. Happy birthday!

http://en.wikipedia.org/​wiki/​Bash_​at_​the_​Beach_​(1996)

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.79
My word, do we owe the existence of The-W to the nWo?

Edit: Nevermind. I CAN do math, I swear!

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.94
"You people... you know who I am. But you don't know why I'm here."

The first year or so of the nWo (and especially the first few months) was booked in absolutely genius fashion. The WWF fucked the nWo up big time when they brought them in.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.18
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    The first year or so of the nWo (and especially the first few months) was booked in absolutely genius fashion.


That's because the first few months were the easy part. It was a good idea, but once it came time to give the angle some kind of payoff, once booking it became somewhat complicated, WCW fucked it up about as bad as can be.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
The nwo was a good idea that went very bad. Didm't they have like half the wcw roster in the NWO?
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.42
The storyline that eat a company.
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Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    It was a good idea, but once it came time to give the angle some kind of payoff, once booking it became somewhat complicated, WCW fucked it up about as bad as can be.
In Bischoff's book, he talks a lot about how when you book an angle, one of the first things you have to do is decide how it's gonna end ("a story has to have a beginning, a middle, and an end" or some such). This clearly wasnt the case with the nWo angle. Did we ever find out how that story was SUPPOSED to payoff, or did they never really get that far?



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.29
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      It was a good idea, but once it came time to give the angle some kind of payoff, once booking it became somewhat complicated, WCW fucked it up about as bad as can be.
    In Bischoff's book, he talks a lot about how when you book an angle, one of the first things you have to do is decide how it's gonna end ("a story has to have a beginning, a middle, and an end" or some such). This clearly wasnt the case with the nWo angle. Did we ever find out how that story was SUPPOSED to payoff, or did they never really get that far?
For that matter, did the nWo 2000 (the Black/Silver version) ever get a proper ending, or did it just vanish into thin air?

I was a mark for the nWo duing the WWF/E run...I was kinda sad to see it go, but I didn't expect it to run as long as it did.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.42
I believe the payoff was supposed to be Starcade '97 with elevating Sting to be the major attraction into the next decade and make the so-called "WWE Invasion" fail due to WCW being the superior brand. Of course, once Hogan and others started seeing the dollar signs they milked that cow until it was tits up.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.31
Bischoff was going to blow the nWo off with Sting returning to avenge everyone at Starrcade 96 (as in, five months after it started). Dave Meltzer told him that was way, way too soon. They decided to keep it going. From there, there was no end to it ever planned, unless you consider Nitro and Thunder splitting into separate nWo and WCW promotions (an extension, of brands) an ending. Blowing off the nWo in 1998 or something probably wouldn't have helped WCW much -- as we saw after it just sort of faded away in '99, the same guys were in the same spots on top, they just didn't wear the t-shirts anymore.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.65
Fucking Meltz.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.18
    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    Fucking Meltz.


Well, I'd say Meltzer was right. Then they built to the originally planned finish anyway - Sting fighting off the NWO at Starcade - just one year later, but they fucked it up horrendously. If they had done the same thing at Starcade 1996 that they did at Starcade 1997, it would have been just as retarded.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.25
    Originally posted by Oliver
    For that matter, did the nWo 2000 (the Black/Silver version) ever get a proper ending, or did it just vanish into thin air?


"Vanish into Thin Air" would be the appropriate answer. It had trickled down to just Jeff Jarrett and the Harris Twins, until it was finally dropped in April 2000 when WCW reset the entire company with the "New Blood/Millionaires Club" angle.



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Hokienautic
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.31
    Originally posted by dWs
      Originally posted by Oliver
      For that matter, did the nWo 2000 (the Black/Silver version) ever get a proper ending, or did it just vanish into thin air?


    "Vanish into Thin Air" would be the appropriate answer. It had trickled down to just Jeff Jarrett and the Harris Twins, until it was finally dropped in April 2000 when WCW reset the entire company with the "New Blood/Millionaires Club" angle.


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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.05
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
      Fucking Meltz.


    Well, I'd say Meltzer was right. Then they built to the originally planned finish anyway - Sting fighting off the NWO at Starrcade - just one year later, but they fucked it up horrendously. If they had done the same thing at Starcade 1996 that they did at Starrcade 1997, it would have been just as retarded.


If Hogan had spent that year-and-a-half beating/cheating to beat all other contenders to his title so that Sting was literally the last hope for WCW, that would've been great. However, Hogan took months off to shoot a movie, headlined three PPVs against Roddy frickin' Piper, teamed with Dennis Rodman, etc. Another alternative would've been to make Bash At The Beach '97 the 'major' WCW card of the year and had Sting face Hogan then, so the NWO could've been finally beaten a year after they had been born.





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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.75
    Originally posted by Big Bad
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
        Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
        Fucking Meltz.


      Well, I'd say Meltzer was right. Then they built to the originally planned finish anyway - Sting fighting off the NWO at Starrcade - just one year later, but they fucked it up horrendously. If they had done the same thing at Starcade 1996 that they did at Starrcade 1997, it would have been just as retarded.


    If Hogan had spent that year-and-a-half beating/cheating to beat all other contenders to his title so that Sting was literally the last hope for WCW, that would've been great. However, Hogan took months off to shoot a movie, headlined three PPVs against Roddy frickin' Piper, teamed with Dennis Rodman, etc. Another alternative would've been to make Bash At The Beach '97 the 'major' WCW card of the year and had Sting face Hogan then, so the NWO could've been finally beaten a year after they had been born.







Also, having Sting avenge the company by finally being the one to beat Hogan lost a little juice when they had Luger get the less than a week title reign so they could bolster the first 3 hour Nitro.
Plus, when the majority of your audience enjoys booing your brand name, that is never a good long term business model.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.42
I disagree with Lugar winning for a week. If you run a year long storyline with Hogan as champ, you have to do a title change somewhere in between just to keep the interest around. Plus, Luger did put his work boots on during this time and did deserve to have the title even in the short term.

The NWO made WCW a ton of money, but it also made the WCW brand very weak or look old and boring. Their best bet was to let Sting win at Starcadde then have the NWO meltdown with Hall and Nash kicking Hogan out or vice-versa. I do agree with Metzler, it was too early to end it, but Eric should have had an end point contingency plan after that. The other thing I think had a hand in it is Goldberg. Once they saw the reaction he got and the merchandise he sold, they thought it would be a better idea to let Goldberg defeat the NWO. Unfortunately, the backstage politics got out of control and since the NWO was still making money for them even though I doubt it was as big as it once was. They needed another Wargames match with Hogan, Nash, Hall, Buff Bagwell and Macho Man vs. Sting, Flair, Luger, DDP and Big Show/Giant or Goldberg to end the damn thing.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.27
Not to get into fantasy booking, but I always wondered what else they could have done with the nWo angle. Sting should have beaten Hogan clean for the belt in my opinion, but what to do after wards will always be debatable.
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