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I really question this move, on the part of the Phils.

Report: Roy Halladay dealt to Philadelphia in 3-team swap


    All-Star pitcher Roy Halladay, who has been a regular subject of trade talk since before last July's deadline, is headed to the Philadelphia Phillies, SI.com is reporting.

    Meanwhile, the Phillies are expected to trade Cliff Lee to Seattle as part of a three-team trade, but it's not confirmed who the Mariners would receive in return from either Toronto or Philadelphia, SI.com reported.

    According to the report, Halladay is expected to agree to a contract extension with the Phillies, which would finalize the deal.


After Cliff Lee single-handedly carried the club through the World Series, why would the Phils turn around and trade him for an older pitcher? This doesn't make any sense.

And I'm ready to crown the Mariners the AL West champs now. No way anyone can compete with Lee and King Felix, especially now that the Angels have lost Lackey.

(edited by It's False on 14.12.09 1350)



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.49
    Originally posted by It's False
    After Cliff Lee single-handedly carried the club through the World Series, why would the Phils turn around and trade him for an older pitcher? This doesn't make any sense.


The answer is in the excerpt:


    According to the report, Halladay is expected to agree to a contract extension with the Phillies, which would finalize the deal.


Apparently, Lee will not talk contract extension because he's gonna test the FA waters after next year. But stay tuned, cause nothing is confirmed. And it may not be Lee going to Seattle.



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This trade shifts the balance of power on SEVERAL levels.

- If the M's get Felix AND Lee, all of a sudden they become VERY dangerous in a short playoff series.

- If the Phillies keep Lee AND get Halladay, that would be a rotation NO ONE wants to face.

- Either way the Jays stock up on prized prospects and will compete in two or three years. But it does mean that if Halladay goes to the NL and Lee stays there.....everyone's lives in the AL gets easier (either way, the AL East should be thrilled).



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    Originally posted by El Nastio
    If the M's get Felix AND Lee, all of a sudden they become VERY dangerous in a short playoff series.


Don't get me wrong - I'm SUPER-EXCITED for this trade, but that was the same line of thinking about Felix and Erik Bedard, and that didn't bring anybody any rings.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by El Nastio
      If the M's get Felix AND Lee, all of a sudden they become VERY dangerous in a short playoff series.


    Don't get me wrong - I'm SUPER-EXCITED for this trade, but that was the same line of thinking about Felix and Erik Bedard, and that didn't bring anybody any rings.


I understand your concern Jay, however Bedard had one decent year when Seattle brought him in. Cliff Lee is a proven HORSE that is likely going to play out this season in a motivated fashion due to being in a contract year.

And if the M's tank (they won't), he'll make a great hired gun (again).

I can only see this as a win/win/win, but only if Halladay signs with the Phills on term. It's be one of the ultimate blockbusters if BOTH pitchers sign.


EDIT:

Click Here (sportsillustrated.cnn.com)

The belief is that Halladay wanted to go to the Phillies badly enough that he is wiling to take a little less money than either Johan Santana or CC Sabathia, the pitching prizes of the past two offseasons. With Lee unwilling to take a discount, the Phillies were spurred to go after Halladay, who was more interested in a long-term deal with Philadelphia.

Tell me, based on this, how the Phillies do not come out on top of this deal?

(edited by El Nastio on 14.12.09 1804)


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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.09
    Originally posted by El Nastio
      Originally posted by JayJayDean
        Originally posted by El Nastio
        If the M's get Felix AND Lee, all of a sudden they become VERY dangerous in a short playoff series.


      Don't get me wrong - I'm SUPER-EXCITED for this trade, but that was the same line of thinking about Felix and Erik Bedard, and that didn't bring anybody any rings.


    I understand your concern Jay, however Bedard had one decent year when Seattle brought him in. Cliff Lee is a proven HORSE that is likely going to play out this season in a motivated fashion due to being in a contract year.

    And if the M's tank (they won't), he'll make a great hired gun (again).

    I can only see this as a win/win/win, but only if Halladay signs with the Phills on term. It's be one of the ultimate blockbusters if BOTH pitchers sign.


    EDIT:

    Click Here (sportsillustrated.cnn.com)

    The belief is that Halladay wanted to go to the Phillies badly enough that he is wiling to take a little less money than either Johan Santana or CC Sabathia, the pitching prizes of the past two offseasons. With Lee unwilling to take a discount, the Phillies were spurred to go after Halladay, who was more interested in a long-term deal with Philadelphia.

    Tell me, based on this, how the Phillies do not come out on top of this deal?

    (edited by El Nastio on 14.12.09 1804)


They come out WAY in front in this deal. The National League once again goes through Philly and it is becoming harder and harder for me to remain a Mets fan.



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Jayson Stark is on ESPN saying some of the reason is that Lee wanted a 5-6 yr deal, while they can extend Halladay for 3 and not get tied down with him.




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    Originally posted by El Nastio
    The belief is that Halladay wanted to go to the Phillies badly enough that he is wiling to take a little less money than either Johan Santana or CC Sabathia, the pitching prizes of the past two offseasons. With Lee unwilling to take a discount, the Phillies were spurred to go after Halladay, who was more interested in a long-term deal with Philadelphia.


The scary part is "less than Johan or Sabathia" = 3/$70M.





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It's a great career move for Halladay going AL to NL when he has probably reached his peak as a pitcher.

As a Mariner fan I'm happy, but skeptical. I guess it depends on what the overall price tag of this trade ends up being. I don't know anything about the prospects being given up except that one is Canadian.

It's also a little nerve racking having to lock up to high priced pitchers now instead of one. I was under the impression that they were after Lackey not only as their #2, but as Felix insurance if they couldn't sign him long term.

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Interesting follow-up....the Blue Jays dealt Michael Taylor to Oakland for Brett Wallace, who was the big centerpiece of the Matt Holliday trade last summer. Hopefully at least a couple of these prospects end up becoming good-to-very good (or great) major league players.

As a Jays fan, I'm obviously sad to see Halladay go, but it was inevitable since the Jays' huge collapse last May. I am very relieved that Halladay didn't go to Boston or New York, and can now whole-heartedly root for him to get a WS ring in Philadelphia next season. For you Phillies fans, if you thought Cliff Lee was something, wait'll you get a load of the Doc --- he might actually win 30 games in the National League.



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