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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.68
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/449/449151p1.html

It looks like it will be out next year. I'm looking forward to seeing how it evolves.
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I just hope they ease off the licensed-music bandwagon this time around. I've been busted at least twice in Vice City because I've been running from the cops, dove into the nearest car, and been distracted by the need to change the radio to ANYTHING other than Emotion 98...





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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.02
Er, not quite.

http://www.bluesnews.com/ cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread& threadid=46325

http://www.mtavc.com/ (scroll down)

(edited by EddieBurkett on 6.1.04 1845)


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79
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One guy was talking about in the comments of one of the sites that it might be in Tokyo...that would be AWESOME. Of course, it's way too early to tell, I guess. Well, either way a new GTA game at the end of the year sounds damn good to me.

(edited by DarkRenegade on 6.1.04 1700)



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.67
Last I'd been hearing they're still most likely going to put it in the city of San Andreas (which would probably be an analogue of San Francisco).

That was, after all, along with Liberty and Vice Cities, one of the towns in the original GTA... plus, just to further debunk the "Sin City" rumor, comic writer Frank Miller owns the rights to any games made with that name, and has for a while now.

I'm kind of hoping for San Andreas, myself. Talk about a huuuuge Chinatown to rampage through. Muahaha! They'll probably jump oceans when they put out GTA4, whenever that'll be.




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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Nate The Snake
    just to further debunk the "Sin City" rumor, comic writer Frank Miller owns the rights to any games made with that name, and has for a while now


Wouldn't that apply just to Comic book games?

It's hard to imangine he owns ALL the rights to the name Sin City because he started that comic about 10 years back. Vegas has been call that long before his comic started.




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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.67
    Originally posted by rikidozan
    Wouldn't that apply just to Comic book games?

    It's hard to imangine he owns ALL the rights to the name Sin City because he started that comic about 10 years back. Vegas has been call that long before his comic started.


"Sin City" has never been anything more than a nickname, and certainly isn't the name Vegas WANTS to be known by. They're too image-conscious to deliberately use a name with that kind of negative connotation. When Miller trademarked the name I doubt Las Vegas even made a peep.

As for it only being related to comic book games, that doesn't really apply... you couldn't, for example, make a puzzle game or whatever and call it Indiana Jones or Tomb Raider. The name's the thing, not the genre.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Nate The Snake
    The name's the thing, not the genre.


That's pretty much correct, but there are allowences in cases where the consumer could not possibly be confused.

Sin City Fish Food & Sin City Condoms for example.

One could sue the other, but how is the consumer confused?

Grant Theft Auto: Sin City, the game & Sin City, the comic book. That's a far stretch IMO. Most gamers, and comic book fans, are more familiar with GTA that most of Millers work.




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.02
    Originally posted by rikidozan
    Grant Theft Auto: Sin City, the game & Sin City, the comic book. That's a far stretch IMO. Most gamers, and comic book fans, are more familiar with GTA that most of Millers work.


True enough, but while there wouldn't be much similarity to the condoms and the fish food, there could easily be more than a passing similarity here. I wouldn't be surprised if someone familiar with Miller's work happened upon GTA: Sin City and thought maybe it was a crossover or something. As long as they stay far enough away from Miller's work, in terms of style and characterization, they'll be fine (much like the lawsuit surrounding True Crime earlier this year). But it certainly isn't beyond the realm of possibility for Miller to have a case, and I'd be surprised if they went forward with the Sin City name and Miller didn't sue.

Heck, Nintendo got sued by the people that own the King Kong name over Donkey Kong way back when.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.67
    Originally posted by rikidozan
    Grant Theft Auto: Sin City, the game & Sin City, the comic book. That's a far stretch IMO. Most gamers, and comic book fans, are more familiar with GTA that most of Millers work.


If it came down to a suit, that could actually hurt Rockstar, as Miller could then claim that they were trying to damage his "brand" of Sin City. It'd be like McDonald's making a new burger and calling it the "Slyder". Micky D's is better known, but White Castle still has the trademark, and would probably get the "big bad company picking on the little guy" sympathy to boot.

What with all the other hassles they have as far as the GTA games go (licensing music, for example) I doubt they'd go the Sin City route just because it'd save them a potential legal headache. Win or lose, it'd cost them money and money is something that even a wildly successful game developer (which - given the somewhat underwhelming performances of many of their non-GTA games - Rockstar isn't) needs to hang on to.



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    Originally posted by rikidozan
    Grant Theft Auto: Sin City, the game & Sin City, the comic book. That's a far stretch IMO.


I'd have said the same thing about WWF: the World Wrestling Federation vs. WWF: the World Wildlife Fund, and look how THAT turned out.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by rikidozan
      Grant Theft Auto: Sin City, the game & Sin City, the comic book. That's a far stretch IMO.


    I'd have said the same thing about WWF: the World Wrestling Federation vs. WWF: the World Wildlife Fund, and look how THAT turned out.


That was due to their own stupidity. The old WWF signed an agreement not to use the letters WWF outside of the USA, they did anyway, now lost the rights to those letters...


    Originally posted by NateTheSnake
    If it came down to a suit, that could actually hurt Rockstar, as Miller could then claim that they were trying to damage his "brand" of Sin City. It'd be like McDonald's making a new burger and calling it the "Slyder". Micky D's is better known, but White Castle still has the trademark, and would probably get the "big bad company picking on the little guy" sympathy to boot.


Ah, but in that example, they are both resturants. Our case at hand is a video game company (Rockstar) vs. A comic book (he'd call it a Graphic Novel) company (Is he still with Image? I can't remember who he published with back then).

Yes, their fans can overlap, but it's not the same industry as two competing resturants.




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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.02
But it all falls within the greater product of media. How can someone distinguish between a Sin City comic and a Sin City video game when there are cross overs like Spider-Man, which has had a comic book and a video-game (and a movie, etc.).

A condom and fish food are two completely different things. But a video game and a comic book are effectively two different mediums that can be used to tell the same story.





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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
    Originally posted by rikidozan
      Originally posted by JayJayDean
        Originally posted by rikidozan
        Grant Theft Auto: Sin City, the game & Sin City, the comic book. That's a far stretch IMO.


      I'd have said the same thing about WWF: the World Wrestling Federation vs. WWF: the World Wildlife Fund, and look how THAT turned out.


    That was due to their own stupidity. The old WWF signed an agreement not to use the letters WWF outside of the USA, they did anyway, now lost the rights to those letters...


We pretty much all know the backstory to that. My point was more along the lines of "I'd never have believed that there would even be a remote possibility that one WWF would feel like they needed to own the "WWF" abbreviation to separate itself from the other one."

(edited by JayJayDean on 7.1.04 1522)

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.68
    Originally posted by rikidozan
    Ah, but in that example, they are both resturants. Our case at hand is a video game company (Rockstar) vs. A comic book (he'd call it a Graphic Novel) company (Is he still with Image? I can't remember who he published with back then).

    Yes, their fans can overlap, but it's not the same industry as two competing resturants.


As Eddie said, it's still two forms of of a broader category (media) and Miller would have a perfectly valid claim that a Rockstar game called Sin City could dilute any market value for a Frank Miller's Sin City video game, thus potentially cutting into the money-making ability of it.

I'm not necessarily saying Miller would win any kind of suit, but the fact that he'd very likely file one that Rockstar'd either have to settle or defend against (either way, money out the door) makes it highly unlikely that they'd go that route when there're other, non-complicated routes available.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.36
A GBA version of GTA has been announced; I'm very anxious to see how well that turns out. If it's anything like Max Payne...I'll be STOKED!



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
Looks like Nate the Snake was right. San Andreas it is! (computerandvideogames.com)



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
    Looks like Nate the Snake was right. San Andreas it is! (computerandvideogames.com)


Not so fast...

http://www.gamespot.com/ ps2/adventure/gta4/news_6086492.html

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On December 21, 2003, one week after it registered GTA: San Andreas, Rockstar parent Take-Two Interactive registered Grand Theft Auto: Bogota, Grand Theft Auto: Tokyo, and Grand Theft Auto: Sin City with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. Since neither Take-Two nor Rockstar are officially commenting, it's anybody's guess whether the three GTA titles are potential monikers for the fifth official Grand Theft Auto game, future installments in the crime adventure franchise, or merely decoys
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
Drat... I was hoping no one would correct me.

I do love all the misdirection and confusion Rockstar is creating with all of this. If I were a betting man, I'd say San Andreas will be the next game, and the second round of registering was all for show, but I'm not a betting man, so I won't say that.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.68
    Originally posted by rikidozan
    Grand Theft Auto: Bogota, Grand Theft Auto: Tokyo


Okay, that's just weird. Actual city names? I'm still inclined to go with San Andreas myself as well, since it's one of the fictional cities in the old games, but that really throws me. Maybe it's got something to do with the "real" GTA4, whenever that finally comes out. Or some kind of massively-multiplayer deal.

Rampaging through Tokyo WOULD be mega-fun, though. Especially if they go for a slightly futuristic angle.



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