There's some implied action too. "Marking" is an action. Being a fan is not. Thus if one is a "mark for Steve Blackman", it implies that when one watches Blackman wrestle or sees Blackman buying cheese in the dairy aisle, then he/she would perform the act of marking out. (Gee that sounded alot less sick when I first thought it...)
If a person is just a fan of Blackman, then it doesn't imply any sort of action on thier part. If a person is a fan of say Test, it doesn't mean that they will cheer wildly every time they see Test, it just means that they enjoy Test...(Oh dear...)
Thus: One marks for Blackman, so one is a mark for Blackman
One does not fan of Test, however one is a fan of Test.
(edited by Excalibur05 on 13.2.02 1742)
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If you say "I am a mark for Blackman," that makes Blackman the indirect object and "mark" the direct object. If you say "I am a fan of Test" that makes "Test" the direct object and "fan" a possesive of "Test."
However, if you say "I am a Test fan" or "I am a Blackman mark," then the word "mark" or "fan" is the possesive and "Blackman" or "Test" is the direct object.
So I gues the question is "why can the word 'mark' be used with an indirect object while the 'fan' can't?"
The answer is: I have no idea. I tried to figure it out but nothing really worked. Any ideas?
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Originally posted by MoeGatesbut "nutting" sure isn't a verb.
It could be in a dirty way. A guy I used to work with use to say it in reference to his sexcapades. Funny guy. Anyone can make a noun a verb or anything they want it to be even if it doesn't make much sense. There was this published short story I had to read for one of my workshop classes that was full of nouns as verbs like "he Mountain Dewed to the mailbox." Trippy stuff.
Originally posted by MoeGatesBut look at it this way. I can be a Test mark, and be a mark for Test, because as you say, "marking" is a verb. I can be a Test nut, and be a nut for Test, but "nutting" sure isn't a verb.
Hmmm. There's something inherently wrong in the language :) Anyway... you being a Test nut/mark/fan sets you as the object (a mark/nut/fan) and being described by being for a nut for Test. Bleh, if I was an english major kind of guy I could say that correctly and in a simple format. Anyway, you can't be a fan for Test, unless you were being 'a fan, for Test'. So why can you be a nut for Test? Maybe if I say it like, "I'm a crazy person for Test". That works. But "I'm a crazy for Test" doesn't. Bleh, I'm utterly worthless in this thread, so I surrender.
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It's not really about mark being a verb. Mark, in the carny sense that Lou mentioned above, is referring to the person being an easy target for someone to fool. So if you use "mark" in the pseudo-bastardized way that we tend to in this sense, someone who really likes Blackman is, in a sense, a mark for him, since the person would be more easily targeted by Blackman.
That Steve Blackman...is there anything he can't explain?
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