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If you Click Here you can see the full story for yourself. The key quote from the former Vice President:

I've decided that I will not be a candidate for president in 2004. ... I personally have the energy and drive and ambition to make another campaign, but I don't think that it's the right thing for me to do," Gore said, in an interview on the CBS news program "60 Minutes."


"I think that a campaign that would be a rematch between myself and President Bush would inevitably involve a focus on the past that would in some measure distract from the focus on the future that I think all campaigns have to be about."


For those who appreciate the unintended humour that U.S. politcs often provides, consider the following quote in the article from Vermont Governor Howard Dean:

Dean told CNN, "It certainly does open up the party for new ideas that actually make sense."

I agree with the Governor that the possibility certainly does exist.



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Damn shame too. I was hoping the Democrats would do the stupid thing and give us a gimme in 2004 by renominating Gore. Of course, the primary season for the Dems is going to be a bloodbath and I'm sure that whomever comes out of the Democratic primaries will be an ultraliberal(if the selection of Pelosi is any indication). So it'll probably be a gimme anyway...



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The other thing that got to me is that the Boston press says this opens the doors for a Kerry/Lieberman showdown, and they talk about how exciting that would be. Turn on your irony, guys. I like Kerry, but he doesn't exactly have me swelling with civic pride. And Lieberman is no more a democrat than McCain is a Republican. It's just Jewish and Republican go together like, well, black and Republican. Plus his speaking voice is eerily reminiscent of Willie from 'ALF'.

I disagree with Grimis (I couldn't believe it either). I think the primaries will be a bloodbath, but I think the eventual pick will be some soul-less, ball-less middle of the road nothing. Picture Gephardt without the vision or teeth. The Dems strayed from a layup with the conscientious objector route and got killed. I don't think they'll have learned in time.

The thing is, if GeeDub keeps this BS war going until November of '04, as I'm cynical enough to believe he'd do, wouldn't his popularity be taking severe hits by then? I mean, because the idiot media *just might* call him on the idea that we're in a war we won't win against a guy we can't find. We've got the best military intelligence in the world and if we can't find one specific a--h--- in a cave after three years, it may be time for a new approach.

I guess that rambling leads to my question: If the Bush junta hasn't presented bin Laden's head on a stick by election day, is the country going to vote him out?

If the soul-less, ball-less middle of the road nothing is charismatic enough it just might happen. Remember '92?



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    Originally posted by DJ Ran
    The other thing that got to me is that the Boston press says this opens the doors for a Kerry/Lieberman showdown, and they talk about how exciting that would be. Turn on your irony, guys. I like Kerry, but he doesn't exactly have me swelling with civic pride. And Lieberman is no more a democrat than McCain is a Republican. It's just Jewish and Republican go together like, well, black and Republican. Plus his speaking voice is eerily reminiscent of Willie from 'ALF'.

    I disagree with Grimis (I couldn't believe it either). I think the primaries will be a bloodbath, but I think the eventual pick will be some soul-less, ball-less middle of the road nothing. Picture Gephardt without the vision or teeth. The Dems strayed from a layup with the conscientious objector route and got killed. I don't think they'll have learned in time.

    The thing is, if GeeDub keeps this BS war going until November of '04, as I'm cynical enough to believe he'd do, wouldn't his popularity be taking severe hits by then? I mean, because the idiot media *just might* call him on the idea that we're in a war we won't win against a guy we can't find. We've got the best military intelligence in the world and if we can't find one specific a--h--- in a cave after three years, it may be time for a new approach.

    I guess that rambling leads to my question: If the Bush junta hasn't presented bin Laden's head on a stick by election day, is the country going to vote him out?

    If the soul-less, ball-less middle of the road nothing is charismatic enough it just might happen. Remember '92?






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    Originally posted by DJ Ran
    Picture Gephardt without the vision or teeth.

That's not hard... :)



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    Originally posted by DJ Ran
    The other thing that got to me is that the Boston press says this opens the doors for a Kerry/Lieberman showdown, and they talk about how exciting that would be. Turn on your irony, guys. I like Kerry, but he doesn't exactly have me swelling with civic pride. And Lieberman is no more a democrat than McCain is a Republican. It's just Jewish and Republican go together like, well, black and Republican. Plus his speaking voice is eerily reminiscent of Willie from 'ALF'.

    I disagree with Grimis (I couldn't believe it either). I think the primaries will be a bloodbath, but I think the eventual pick will be some soul-less, ball-less middle of the road nothing. Picture Gephardt without the vision or teeth. The Dems strayed from a layup with the conscientious objector route and got killed. I don't think they'll have learned in time.

    The thing is, if GeeDub keeps this BS war going until November of '04, as I'm cynical enough to believe he'd do, wouldn't his popularity be taking severe hits by then? I mean, because the idiot media *just might* call him on the idea that we're in a war we won't win against a guy we can't find. We've got the best military intelligence in the world and if we can't find one specific a--h--- in a cave after three years, it may be time for a new approach.

    I guess that rambling leads to my question: If the Bush junta hasn't presented bin Laden's head on a stick by election day, is the country going to vote him out?

    If the soul-less, ball-less middle of the road nothing is charismatic enough it just might happen. Remember '92?



You know, I knew if Gore was growing a set, he wouldn't run. I really should've... Well, I guess I'm a Kerry supporter, now, given the alternatives (Daschle, Lieberman, Gephardt...).

I can't figure out what bothers me the most about Lieberman... The PTC thing (fucking Repub in sheep's clothing) or the fact that he's the spitting image of Chancellor Palpatine from the Star Wars prequels. And, you're right, he sounds exactly like the dad from ALF. Do you know he's a major crackhead now?



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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard

      Originally posted by DJ Ran
      The other thing that got to me is that the Boston press says this opens the doors for a Kerry/Lieberman showdown, and they talk about how exciting that would be. Turn on your irony, guys. I like Kerry, but he doesn't exactly have me swelling with civic pride. And Lieberman is no more a democrat than McCain is a Republican. It's just Jewish and Republican go together like, well, black and Republican. Plus his speaking voice is eerily reminiscent of Willie from 'ALF'.

      I disagree with Grimis (I couldn't believe it either). I think the primaries will be a bloodbath, but I think the eventual pick will be some soul-less, ball-less middle of the road nothing. Picture Gephardt without the vision or teeth. The Dems strayed from a layup with the conscientious objector route and got killed. I don't think they'll have learned in time.

      The thing is, if GeeDub keeps this BS war going until November of '04, as I'm cynical enough to believe he'd do, wouldn't his popularity be taking severe hits by then? I mean, because the idiot media *just might* call him on the idea that we're in a war we won't win against a guy we can't find. We've got the best military intelligence in the world and if we can't find one specific a--h--- in a cave after three years, it may be time for a new approach.

      I guess that rambling leads to my question: If the Bush junta hasn't presented bin Laden's head on a stick by election day, is the country going to vote him out?

      If the soul-less, ball-less middle of the road nothing is charismatic enough it just might happen. Remember '92?



    You know, I knew if Gore was growing a set, he wouldn't run. I really should've... Well, I guess I'm a Kerry supporter, now, given the alternatives (Daschle, Lieberman, Gephardt...).

    I can't figure out what bothers me the most about Lieberman... The PTC thing (fucking Repub in sheep's clothing) or the fact that he's the spitting image of Chancellor Palpatine from the Star Wars prequels. And, you're right, he sounds exactly like the dad from ALF. Do you know he's a major crackhead now?





Lieberman's a crackhead? That explains alot.
Also, he sounds more like Kermit the Frog on LSD than the dad from ALF.



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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    The door has now opened wide for an Al Sharpton hijacking of the Democratic Party in '04. Be afraid Democrats, be very afraid.


THAT ain't happening. The Democratic Party may seem suicidal at times, but it's not THAT suicidal. It's the same reason that I don't expect to see a Hillary run for the Presidency -- they'd do a better job motivating the opposition (who would come out in droves to vote against them) than they would their own support bases.

What I expect will happen -- not that it's anything I'd welcome, mind you -- is that the Democrats will end up nominating some middle-of-the-road drone with all the warmth, ideas and personality of a used Q-Tip. (Daschle and Gephardt fit that description to a T.) If Lieberman claws his way to the nomination, I will cast a write-in vote for Snuffleupagus instead.





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    Originally posted by vsp

      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      The door has now opened wide for an Al Sharpton hijacking of the Democratic Party in '04. Be afraid Democrats, be very afraid.


    THAT ain't happening. The Democratic Party may seem suicidal at times, but it's not THAT suicidal. It's the same reason that I don't expect to see a Hillary run for the Presidency -- they'd do a better job motivating the opposition (who would come out in droves to vote against them) than they would their own support bases.

    What I expect will happen -- not that it's anything I'd welcome, mind you -- is that the Democrats will end up nominating some middle-of-the-road drone with all the warmth, ideas and personality of a used Q-Tip. (Daschle and Gephardt fit that description to a T.) If Lieberman claws his way to the nomination, I will cast a write-in vote for Snuffleupagus instead.






Actually, this is a scenario the Dems are fearfully pondering, as former Gore aid Donna Brasile is considering have blacks run as favorite son candidates in their home states in order to derail a Sharpton insurgence. After Iowa and NH, you have South Carolina, which in a Democratic Primary is 40% black. Sharpton, in a 6 or 7 way race as the only black candidate, could steal the election. Then, look at the Democratic Primary voter demographics on Super Tuesday. Large field where Sharpton is the only black candidate could, while not throwing the nomination to Sharpton, give him plenty of power inside the party. If that happens, say good-night to the Democrats until 2012.



edit: spelling.

(edited by redsoxnation on 16.12.02 1715)


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There is no friggin' way Al Sharpton will ever get the nomination. Jesse Jackson was way more popular in '88 and he didn't carry shit (okay, Louisiana).

This is the best decision Gore could've made. I was worried when he made the obligatory SNL appearance that he was gearing up for something. The Dems should just swallow their pride and beg McCain to switch parties.

Bush SHOULD have created enough public animosity by his AG's gestappo tactics, the fake war and the shitty economy that his competition should have a chance. But I think 9/11 has allowed the Repubs to convince the masses that anyone who disagrees with the current administration is unpatriotic. And the Republican spin doctors have proven good enough to dupe the lazy media into parroting the party line.



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    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    There is no friggin' way Al Sharpton will ever get the nomination. Jesse Jackson was way more popular in '88 and he didn't carry shit (okay, Louisiana).

    This is the best decision Gore could've made. I was worried when he made the obligatory SNL appearance that he was gearing up for something. The Dems should just swallow their pride and beg McCain to switch parties.

    Bush SHOULD have created enough public animosity by his AG's gestappo tactics, the fake war and the shitty economy that his competition should have a chance. But I think 9/11 has allowed the Repubs to convince the masses that anyone who disagrees with the current administration is unpatriotic. And the Republican spin doctors have proven good enough to dupe the lazy media into parroting the party line.





Look at the numbers Sharpton pulled when he ran for the Senate in New York in the mid 90's. If he is the only minority candidate, and the other candidates are trying to maintain some contact with the center in order to be electable come November, Sharpton can do damage.



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    Originally posted by redsoxnation

      Originally posted by asteroidboy
      There is no friggin' way Al Sharpton will ever get the nomination. Jesse Jackson was way more popular in '88 and he didn't carry shit (okay, Louisiana).

      This is the best decision Gore could've made. I was worried when he made the obligatory SNL appearance that he was gearing up for something. The Dems should just swallow their pride and beg McCain to switch parties.

      Bush SHOULD have created enough public animosity by his AG's gestappo tactics, the fake war and the shitty economy that his competition should have a chance. But I think 9/11 has allowed the Repubs to convince the masses that anyone who disagrees with the current administration is unpatriotic. And the Republican spin doctors have proven good enough to dupe the lazy media into parroting the party line.





    Look at the numbers Sharpton pulled when he ran for the Senate in New York in the mid 90's. If he is the only minority candidate, and the other candidates are trying to maintain some contact with the center in order to be electable come November, Sharpton can do damage.



Maybe you're right about the numbers, but I just don't see him doing considerable damage. Who knows. I figure they'll just plug in some liberal from the Northeast and get trounced.



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I would 10x rather throw Al Sharpton up there as a sacrificial lamb and try to change the debate a little bit then have Lieberman win and drive the Democratic party even further to the right.

The Democrats need a Barry Goldwater-type candidate for 2004 - someone who maybe is too extreme to get elected now but
a) gets some new ideas out there and taken seriously
b) has a modicum of integrity, and is driven by principle and
c) gets someone, anyone, excited. Even with Kerry, it seems to be "I guess he's the best we've got," not "WooHoo, Kerry is running." I'm not saying a candidate has to get the liberals excited, I'm saying he (or she) has to get SOME segment of the party excited.

What's killed the Democratic party isn't policy stuff, or being too far left (and "left" and "center" and "moderate" all depend on what issue you're talking about anyway). Policy-wise, there is a whole host of changes they should make - moving to the right on some stuff, to the left on other, introducing (or re-introducing) certain issues, and taking back some issues from the left-right spectrum altogether. In fact, probably the worst thing they could do is try to move to the center, as that's just going to make them seem even more "Driven by polls" than they do now.

But while they need a major policy revamp (and an electoral stratagy other than "let's target suburban white women and hope everyone else who usually votes for us, does), what has really killed the Dems is that they're seen as unprincipaled sleezebags. This effects EVERYTHING about the party. When W tells us something, no matter how ridiculous, people take it at face value. This is despite the fact that the W White House is 10x more poll-driven, image-concious, and secretive than the Clinton White House ever was. They're just a lot better a projecting the image they want than the Clinton White House ever was. Democrats could say "the sky's blue" and people would thing "I wonder why they want us to think the sky's blue?" It's the same issue that killed the GOP in 1974.

We can argue about whether that's a fair image or not, but that's really beside the point. They need to change that image. Ronald Reagan got elected, despite being WELL right of center, by being seen as strong, principled, uncorrupt, and by running an optimistic campaign. And Barry Goldwater laid the groundwork for Reagan.

This is what the Dems need now. Sharpton shouldn't be our nominee not because he's so left-wing, but because he's seen as sleezy and opportunistic.

This also really shouldn't be that hard for the Democrats. I mean, they've essentially created this president on "The West Wing."

Paul Wellstone was the person best suited for this role, and Russ Feingold is probably the closest guy now (maybe Tom Harkin). Maybe if the media starts taking Howard Dean seriously he can fill the role.

(edited by MoeGates on 16.12.02 1819)

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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Maybe if the media starts taking Howard Dean seriously he can fill the role.

    (edited by MoeGates on 16.12.02 1819)



As a Republican, I think it would be neat to see Howard Dean win, if only to make things a little more interesting. Bush would probably win in a walk, but it would be fun to watch.



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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    The Democrats need a Barry Goldwater-type candidate for 2004 - someone who maybe is too extreme to get elected now but
    a) gets some new ideas out there and taken seriously
    b) has a modicum of integrity, and is driven by principle and
    c) gets someone, anyone, excited(edited by MoeGates on 16.12.02 1819)




The hell of it was, we had him in '00. Sort of. I mean, he was hardly brimming with charisma but Nader was almost taken seriously.

Shortsighted Dems like to blame him for the W win, but I bet they'd take him seriously now.

Too extreme to be elected? Check.
Integrity out the wazoo? Check.
Driven by principle? Check.
Gets someone, anyone excited? Maybe college students can't throw around the bucks like the oil men, but they all get a vote too. And Ralphie had far and away the coolest celebrities last time 'round.

It ain't gonna happen, but the guy is out there.



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Not to dredge up something old, but this article written in 2002 (October) kind of outlines that someone DID see what happened coming, only the other way around. And tried to explain it so that the Republicans would not be so upset.
Gore knew that he would have to revisit this fiasco if he were to run again, and frankly, he would not look good by doing so. He knows he lost, hell, everyone knows he lost, but BECAUSE it was somewhat controversial, it would be brought up. And nothing good for him could come of it...




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I must admit, much as I want W out of office, like, yesterday, the Democratic candidates aren't exactly blowing me away yet either (of course, it is still very early running). Personally, I'm hoping for Bush Jr. to get a taste of what Bush Sr. got: a charismatic guy who seems like just another also-ran who suddenly captures the imagination of the populace and runs rampant over the incumbent. He's certainly set up for it. Seriously, in 1990, who thought the Demos has a chance in blue hell of beating Bush, fresh off Desert Storm. Two years is a LONG time in politics. What have you done for me lately?



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    Originally posted by GodEatGod
    I must admit, much as I want W out of office, like, yesterday, the Democratic candidates aren't exactly blowing me away yet either (of course, it is still very early running). Personally, I'm hoping for Bush Jr. to get a taste of what Bush Sr. got: a charismatic guy who seems like just another also-ran who suddenly captures the imagination of the populace and runs rampant over the incumbent. He's certainly set up for it. Seriously, in 1990, who thought the Demos has a chance in blue hell of beating Bush, fresh off Desert Storm. Two years is a LONG time in politics. What have you done for me lately?


I don't know what Bush has done for us lately, but if he can match Clinton's record of giving nukes to Korea, tying up our military in things that don't need to involve us (Somalia, Haiti), and generally obstructing justice, then '04 will surely be a cakewalk.



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