The W
Views: 101473475
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Calendar | Color chart | Log in for more!
20.12.14 1034
The W - Current Events & Politics - Good Questions (Page 2)
This thread has 37 referrals leading to it
Register and log in to post!
Pages: Prev 1 2(2288 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (29 total)
DMC
Liverwurst








Since: 8.1.02
From: Modesto, CA

Since last post: 3533 days
Last activity: 3527 days
#21 Posted on
Jag, sorry for being cryptic. My point was that historians and political scholars disagree about whether or not communist Russia represented "true Marxism" or "true communism." Some have pointed out that Marx called for some of the very things that Lenin and other Soviet leaders perpetrated; namely, violent revolution and doing whatever necessary to guarantee a socialist state.

DMC



"Darwinists sometimes find confirming evidence, just as Marxists found capitalists exploiting workers and Freudians analyzed patients who said that they wanted to murder their fathers and marry their mothers. They find further instances of microevolution, or additional examples of natural relationships, or a fossil group that might have contained an ancestor of modern mammals. What they never find is evidence that contradicts the common ancestry thesis, because to Darwinists such evidence cannot exist. The 'fact of evolution' is true by definition, and so negative information is uninteresting, and generally unpublishable."

-Phillip Johnson, *Darwin on Trial*
eviljonhunt81
Pepperoni








Since: 6.1.02
From: not Japan

Since last post: 3045 days
Last activity: 3042 days
#22 Posted on
"Lastly, I'm not sure how Marx said that Russia, China, Vietnam, etc. were not ready for communist revolution since he died in 1883, 40 years before any of these countries tried it."

Marx called for a revolution of the urban, industrial proletariat. Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba etc. etc. did not have that.



Jersey Is Dead - Feel my Grief

Weekly Visitor
Grimis
Scrapple








Since: 11.7.02
From: MD

Since last post: 1327 days
Last activity: 1124 days
#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by Freeway420
    2) Marxism is theoretically perfect, and communism is the application of Marxism on the real world, where true Marxist beliefs are skewed by the inherent greed people have.

How exactly can Marxism be "perfect" if Marx forgets to take into account human nature and how it bastardizes the system. Furthermore, Marxism retards advancement of society by removing the incentives for improvement and hard work.



There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism.
- Theodore Roosevelt, Ocotber 12, 1915
jentos
Cotto








Since: 16.12.02
From: Minneapolis

Since last post: 2018 days
Last activity: 319 days
AIM:  
ICQ:  
#24 Posted on
Well, you gotta remember Marx wasn't a psychologist. His proposal was purely economic. Human nature was not in the calculation. That is the major difference between Marxism and Leninism.

Forced relocation doesn't work. However if the whole world is united under one leader, and relocations would be done to a better place (Like a bigger house or something) it might have.

Trail of Tears shows how Americans did it. But remember Americans didn't do it for peace, the did it for land. Big difference. If there's one unified ruler, then land belongs to one person. Which eleminates wars like (Israel/Palestine). And by forced relocation one could interpret guaranteed jobs and money. Not everything should be done with violence, you know.



Do svidaniya
PalpatineW
Lap cheong








Since: 2.1.02
From: Getting Rowdy

Since last post: 2888 days
Last activity: 2730 days
AIM:  
#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44

    Originally posted by Grimis

      Originally posted by Freeway420
      2) Marxism is theoretically perfect, and communism is the application of Marxism on the real world, where true Marxist beliefs are skewed by the inherent greed people have.

    How exactly can Marxism be "perfect" if Marx forgets to take into account human nature and how it bastardizes the system. Furthermore, Marxism retards advancement of society by removing the incentives for improvement and hard work.



When you suggest that human nature is a problem, and an obstacle to Marxism, you are surrendering the argument to the Marxists. Human nature doesn't "bastardize" Marxism; it's quite the other way around. Marxism and Communism subjugate the individual, and are anathema to freedom. (Kinda like liberalism).



"... I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass..."

Pedro Martinez
kazhayashi81
Potato korv








Since: 17.6.02
From: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Since last post: 2760 days
Last activity: 2710 days
AIM:  
#26 Posted on
1.) What countries do you admire and why? And I don't mean a singular aspect, I mean as a whole.

New Zealand. I appreciate their free market, their approach to government, even if they still pledge loyalty to the Queen.

2.) Is communism /marxism every bit as inherently evil and oppressive as fascism?

I'd say they're both pretty fucking evil, just different reasons. Given a choice of one or the other, I'd move to New Zealand


3.) If someone handed you the keys to the kingdom and said "the world is yours, you can do with it as you please," what would you do that would make it better ?

End suffering of women and minorities in third world countries. Take the American concept of the seperation of church and state and apply it internationally.

4.) Is it possible for someone to not be a progressive without being stupid, uninformed, evil or greedy?

Substituting "progressive" with libertarian.. yeah, they can be naive


5.) Domestically, what would your policy changes be? What standard of living do people have a right to reasonably expect? And how would you accomplish all the things you wanted to do without destroying the dynamism of our economy which is the very thing that amasses this vast amount of wealth that you aspire to spend on other, more worthy things?

End so much of the national government's hands in every cookie jar. Stop spending millions of dollars busting potheads in Venice and hookers. I've never understood how it's illegal to sell something it's legal to give away. Provide everyone with opportunity to improve their lives. Take government out of practically everything. I remember an essay, written by Harry Browne, that compared the computer industry to education and the medical professions. While computers were largely driven by private businesses, they have improved drastically in customer service, performance, while decreasing in price. On the other hand, education and medical are both very closely ran by the government, and they've both gone down the shitter in the last 20 years.
EDIT: Here it is (wnd.com)

I saw a quote, I forget who said it, MAYBE Neal Boortz, that if you redistributed all the wealth in the US equally, within a year, essentially, everything would be exactly the way it is now. Those who are rich would keep doing what made them rich, and those who have self-destructive habits(drugs, binge spending, etc.) would be where they were. Some would improve, some would decrease, but overall, it would be the same.

(edited by kazhayashi81 on 26.2.03 0018)




"You know, frankly, going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. You just leave a lot of useless noisy baggage behind."- Jed Babbin
Grimis
Scrapple








Since: 11.7.02
From: MD

Since last post: 1327 days
Last activity: 1124 days
#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    When you suggest that human nature is a problem, and an obstacle to Marxism, you are surrendering the argument to the Marxists. Human nature doesn't "bastardize" Marxism; it's quite the other way around. Marxism and Communism subjugate the individual, and are anathema to freedom. (Kinda like liberalism).

I disagree that human nature is surrending the argument. Human nature undermines Marxism regardless. I agree that it does subjugate the individual to the will of the state, human nature will tend to overcome the will of the state and defeat Marxism by producing inferior goods and providing crappy service to the state, thus destroying their economy.

Regardless, at least we agree that Marxist liberalism(I'm looking at YOU Daschle/Kerry/Dean etc) is evil.



There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism.
- Theodore Roosevelt, Ocotber 12, 1915
messenoir
Summer sausage








Since: 20.2.02
From: Columbia, MO

Since last post: 604 days
Last activity: 470 days
AIM:  
#28 Posted on
Russia was not communist or marxist. It was, if anything, a totalatrian state. I believe communism has good points, just as capitalism and socialism have good points. They also all have bad points.
eviljonhunt81
Pepperoni








Since: 6.1.02
From: not Japan

Since last post: 3045 days
Last activity: 3042 days
#29 Posted on
When did Dashcle argue for the rise of the proletariat and destruction of capitalism?



Jersey Is Dead - Feel my Grief

Weekly Visitor
Pages: Prev 1 2
Pages: Prev 1 2Thread ahead: Liberal Radio Is Planned by Rich Group of Democrats
Next thread: I have never been this pissed off at the French...........
Previous thread: Antoher Failed Experiement Ends
(2288 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
Big Victory for Daschle, considering this could have cost him the race. More on the original story Here...
The W - Current Events & Politics - Good Questions (Page 2)Register and log in to post!

The W™ message board

ZimBoard
©2001-2014 Brothers Zim

This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.12 seconds.