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#1 Posted on
While Angle's injury is terrible and all, on the plus side, Goldberg has more leverage on the WWE than ever before, and thus Goldberg in the WWE seems all the more likely. Really, the only matchup that can match the magnitude of Angle/Lesnar is Goldberg/Lesnar, not Benoit/Lesnar as you all would be creaming over. Remember, this Wrestlemania, maybe Lesnar/Benoit can headline Judgement Day or whenever.

Another plus is that Haas and Benjamin can go back to Velocity or Heat where they belong. If I had to trade, I'd trade Angle for Goldberg in a heartbeat, and that seems like a good possibilty.

Also, soon their going to be having these Smackdown only PPVs, what are their only main eventers; Brock Lesnar, Undertaker, and perhaps Chris Benoit? Are you kidding me? Can you say record low buyrates? Add Goldberg to the mix though and he'll fill in the void left by Angle.

And if Goldberg still won't budge, perhaps the WWE can give a phonecall to the man they call Sting which I'd like just as well.

(edited by lordazzington on 4.3.03 1743)
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I deeply regret that I agree with you because with WM you just need a match that will draw (And people don't want Austin vs Rock #21467890 as their main event again this year).
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I don't agree with the part about Haas and Benjamin.



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#4 Posted on

    Originally posted by du365
    I deeply regret that I agree with you because with WM you just need a match that will draw (And people don't want Austin vs Rock #21467890 as their main event again this year).


I think the crowds would disagree with you.

Probably people ordering the PPV too.

The WWE doesn't need Goldberg to sell Wrestlemania. Rock/Austin, Hogan/Vince and Jericho/Michaels as well as, albeit to a lesser extent, HHH/Booker will sell Wrestlemania, so will the very fact that it IS Wrestlemania.

Does Angle's injury give Goldberg an extra card to play? Yeah. But I certainly don't think the deck is stacked in his favor yet either.



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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by lordazzington
    While Angle's injury is terrible and all, on the plus side, Goldberg has more leverage on the WWE than ever before, and thus Goldberg in the WWE seems all the more likely. Really, the only matchup that can match the magnitude of Angle/Lesnar is Goldberg/Lesnar, not Benoit/Lesnar as you all would be creaming over. Remember, this Wrestlemania, maybe Lesnar/Benoit can headline Judgement Day or whenever.

    Another plus is that Haas and Benjamin can go back to Velocity or Heat where they belong. If I had to trade, I'd trade Angle for Goldberg in a heartbeat, and that seems like a good possibilty.

    Also, soon their going to be having these Smackdown only PPVs, what are their only main eventers; Brock Lesnar, Undertaker, and perhaps Chris Benoit? Are you kidding me? Can you say record low buyrates? Add Goldberg to the mix though and he'll fill in the void left by Angle.

    And if Goldberg still won't budge, perhaps the WWE can give a phonecall to the man they call Sting which I'd like just as well.

    (edited by lordazzington on 4.3.03 1743)




I would actually argue that in today's wrestling world, with WWF fans, Benoit is/could be a bigger draw than Goldberg...... just compare the July 2000 pay-per-views of WCW, which was built around Goldberg, versus WWF, which had Benoit main eventing.... which did bigger? Goldberg would help, but why not switch Rock back to Smackdown, then you have Benoit, Taker, Brock, Rock, and Rhyno can move up....



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#6 Posted on
The biggest thing Goldberg had going for him was his winning streak. If his matches don't end within 3 minutes, he loses his "aura" (and you better not think Lesnar's getting a 2 minute match as the main event at Wrestlemania). He can't (or at least, doesn't want to) work as a heel, and faded off into mediocracy (sp?) after WCW tried to start over the Undefeated Streak.

With the time he's been away from the public eye (how many years has he been off TV) the only thing Goldberg has going for him now is fond memories, and we all know how far that took the NWO. Making something important out of Goldberg now would be a hard enough task, much more so with only a few weeks to go before Wrestlemania.

ps. And who says the people don't want to watch Austin vs Rock wrestle? Was I think ONLY person watching RAW this week. Dammit, I wish people would stop stating their personal thoughts as something that's been written in stone.


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#7 Posted on
Goldberg could add icing to the Wrestlemania cake, but even if he's not there, which I think will happen, it'll still sell anyway because it's Wrestlemania. Now that I think of it, Benoit/Lesnar would be a pretty good match for Wrestlemania, just Goldberg/Lesnar would seem 10x times more intriging. I think it's a bit too late for Goldberg to wrestle at Wrestlemania, they'd have to bring him in next Tuesday at the latest, although, THEY WILL need him down the road.

Rock's fliming a movie, and Hogan probaly will make sporadic appearances which pretty leaves Lesnar, Undertaker, Benoit as the only full timers for Smackdown. And what if one of them went down as well? Which more than likely will happen at some point.

As much as you guys hate Goldberg, the marks love him. They really have no choice but to give in to his demands now and reel him in. And if they STILL can't, well then, bring in Sting. If Hogan can go at the age of 49, I'm sure Sting can as well.

And one more thing, don't doubt the fans caring about Goldberg because they will. Don't you think that the second his music hits, the fans will be chanting, "GOLDBERG, GOLDBERG, GOLDBERG....." If I do recall, a while back you guys doubted the fans caring about Hogan, and well he sure proved all of us smart marks wrong, especially you Scott Keith!!! LOL...


(edited by lordazzington on 4.3.03 1828)
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A guy who doesn't want to put anyone over or even work house shows is not the type of guy to help the company. If Goldberg's willing to come in and lay down for Lesnar, then pay him. If not, it's just a WCW move that causes a short term spike and hurts the company more in the long run.

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
Let's put it this way, Benoit & Angle are guys that are already paid for. They won't bitch about money because it's WrestleMania and they won't say "No" do doing their jobs, which is wrestling whoever the bookers tell them to wrestle to whatever decision they're told to.

Goldberg, on the other hand, I don't like. I can't stand his matches. From a workrate standpoint, you want your WrestleMania main event to be a HOT match. Good workrate. And you want the crowd to eat it up. Considering Goldberg hasn't wrestled regularly in the United States since before WCW went under, it's somewhat retarded not to mention financially INSANE to blow probably a million bucks on bringing him in for ONE show. Hell, Scott Steiner (in my opinion) was more over than Goldberg was, and look how he crashed and burned. Do they honestly wanna do that AGAIN??



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Goldberg is very limited and I agree but he is a NAME wrestler that casual fans know as oppose to someone like Benoit (who I have nothing against)and that will help WM draw nicely. Everyone keeps saying that it will draw because it WM. Well drawing doesn't only mean paying a PPV but going to the arena as well and if WM has crappy matches book and is headlined by a Big Boss Man vs. Spike Dudley match not even it being WM can help it drawing power you need a strong draw.

ps. I never said that people don't want to see Austin fight the Rock again I personally do but as the main event again this year, c'mon. WWE is basicially telling us that they don't have any fate in any other match to draw over Brock vs. Angle other than Austin and The Rock. What about HHH vs. Booker T fans have been wanting that matchup for months now.

WWE cares more about drawing money and buyrates(Goldberg) than making the fans happy (Benoit).

(edited by du365 on 4.3.03 1848)
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#11 Posted on
Sacrificing your long term future to pop one buyrate is idiotic at best. Look at all those short term buyrates WCW popped with Hogan/Piper, Hogan/Savage, that meant shit long term because you're stuck with guys that don't work full schedules, don't put over young talent and just suck the life out of the locker room.
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#12 Posted on
I argee with you 100% but unforuately WWE doesn't think long term or we wouldn't have seen Steiner get a title shot so quickly as oppose to someone that deserve it like Booker T.
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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by du365
    Goldberg is very limited and I agree but he is a NAME wrestler that casual fans know as oppose to someone like Benoit (who I have nothing against)and that will help WM draw nicely. Everyone keeps saying that it will draw because it WM. Well drawing doesn't only mean paying a PPV but going to the arena as well and if WM has crappy matches book and is headlined by a Big Boss Man vs. Spike Dudley match not even it being WM can help it drawing power you need a strong draw.



Um, grand, but Brock v. Benoit isn't exactly Boss Man v. Spike. Benoit has been built up to upper midcard status. He just needs that one extra nudge to bump him up to main event status. A feud with Brock and main event at WrestleMania could accomplish that. Goldberg will only help WrestleMania very little as far as buyrates. And what about after 'Mania? Goldberg is only gonna' be around for a few months. And then what? We're back to square one, with Brock, Hunter, Undertaker, Austin, and a bunch of midcarders. They should start thinking more about how they can bring everything up six-months from now, rather than how they can bring things up for WrestleMania, and worry about the rest when they get to it.



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#14 Posted on
Omega, I couldn't agree with you more but as I said before WWE doesn't think long term so right now in their eyes a big draw is more important than trying to turn someone into a big draw with less than 6 weeks to spare. I am all for giving the ball to Benoit and letting him run with it at any PPV but this one. This is not the time for it with both Brock and our Lord and Savior being very limited on the mike it will be a hard sell and plus I'm thinking from a business standpoint that in the WWE minds they already have us (The IWC) so they don't fell they need to appease us what they are trying to do is get back the casual fans that left so they need to use a NAME wrestler like Goldberg as sought of like eye candy to attract them back.
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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by lordazzington
    While Angle's injury is terrible and all, on the plus side, Goldberg has more leverage on the WWE than ever before, and thus Goldberg in the WWE seems all the more likely. Really, the only matchup that can match the magnitude of Angle/Lesnar is Goldberg/Lesnar, not Benoit/Lesnar as you all would be creaming over. Remember, this Wrestlemania, maybe Lesnar/Benoit can headline Judgement Day or whenever.

    Another plus is that Haas and Benjamin can go back to Velocity or Heat where they belong. If I had to trade, I'd trade Angle for Goldberg in a heartbeat, and that seems like a good possibilty.

    Also, soon their going to be having these Smackdown only PPVs, what are their only main eventers; Brock Lesnar, Undertaker, and perhaps Chris Benoit? Are you kidding me? Can you say record low buyrates? Add Goldberg to the mix though and he'll fill in the void left by Angle.

    And if Goldberg still won't budge, perhaps the WWE can give a phonecall to the man they call Sting which I'd like just as well.

    (edited by lordazzington on 4.3.03 1743)


1) I believe Goldberg has stated he doesn't want to work w/ Lesnar
2) Lesnar/Benoit would be a much better match than Goldberg/Lesnar
3) You'd trade Angle for Goldberg in a heartbeat? Words fail me.
4) Goldberg will fill the void left by Angle? How? Angle is better on the mic, better in the ring, and more over than Goldberg. How exactly does that fill the void?
5) Sting? I'll pass. The last thing they need is another old WCW guy (and I was a huge WCW fan)
6) I think you over-estimate the drawing power of Goldberg. When was his last match in North America? You're talking 2 years ago. Out of sight, out of mind. You'd need heavy video promos like they did for Steiner to get Goldberg over enough for his debut. I can *guarantee* the fans won't chant his name if he just shows up unannounced.

In short, I disagree 200% with you.



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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by lordazzington
    Really, the only matchup that can match the magnitude of Angle/Lesnar is Goldberg/Lesnar, not Benoit/Lesnar as you all would be creaming over.


No offense, but you're an idiot if you don't think Benoit/Lesnar wouldn't be one hell of a match...100x better than anything Godlberg would be able to do.

Best possible result of a Brock/Goldberg match? Brock squashes the holy living hell out of him. SD Jones might finally lose that record.



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#17 Posted on
Yeah sure Benoit/Lesnar would be the better match workwise, but it's all about pleasing the the casual people, not the internet. I think the people that actually buy the tickets would much rather see Goldberg/Lesnar than Benoit/Lesnar.
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#18 Posted on
Benoit got a standing ovation in Boston after his match w/ Angle. I'd say the casual fans were pleased.

Goldberg isn't a draw in today's North American wrestling environment.



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#19 Posted on
Neither is Benoit, otherwise he would've won the WWE Championship by now.
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#20 Posted on
But this Mania doesn't NEED Goldberg in order to sell. Rock/Austin, HHH/Booker T, Michaels/Jericho, and the rumored Vince/Hogan matches will surely bring in the casual fan you seem so concerned with. I don't smell a whole lot of workrate coming out of that bunch...

(edited by Bullitt on 4.3.03 2132)


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