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|  #1 Posted on 2.5.02 1130.01 | I just read on 411 that the WWF is in negotiations with Goldberg. WTF? They absolutely didn't want to buy out his contract because of how much he was making and he absolutely didn't want to work for the WWF. What the hell happened?
On a related note, remember when the WWF bought WCW last year and only got the cheaper talent available because they didn't want to buy out the contracts of a lot of the main event talent? Consider what's happened since then... Flair, Hall, Hogan, Nash, negotiating with Steiner and now possibly Goldberg.
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| #2 Posted on 2.5.02 1145.46 | What happened is that except in the case of Flair all of their contracts with WCW have expired, so they no longer have to pay for a buyout on top of the WWF salary they're going to pay these guys.
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| #3 Posted on 2.5.02 1201.28 | Well, we were all wondering what Vince would do now that the nWo failed to pop the ratings. We were all wondering what could be done with Stone Cold Steve Austin, and this would be a money feud if I ever saw one.
They'll probably hire him. The last time we heard rumors like this it was "the WWF is in negotiations with Hogan, Hall and Nash." I said, "WTF!?!? HOGAN in the WWF! I'll believe it when I see it!"
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| #4 Posted on 2.5.02 1204.32 | Instant Rating: 0.00 | Hmmmmm another case where if they bring in Goldberg and do it right then it could be interesting. Of course i said that about the nWo and to this point they have pretty much screwed that up. But i would like to see stone cold (even though he's boring rt now) against goldberg one day. Or feed goldberg to lesnar eventually.
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| #5 Posted on 2.5.02 1239.01 | I wonder how Goldberg and Scott Hall are going to get along. Better yet how Goldberg and Triple H are going to get along
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| #6 Posted on 2.5.02 1253.40 | "I wonder how Goldberg and Scott Hall are going to get along. Better yet how Goldberg and Triple H are going to get along"
They'll pass around a doobie and eat a pizza, decide that it's all good, then start a 3 way homosexual orgy sausage train.
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|  #7 Posted on 2.5.02 1259.35 | | It's pretty sad when the WWF writers are unable to create interest with the talent they have; that they need to "buy" their pops hoping shock value will raise the stability of the ratings (which we all know won't happen). Sounds like a tactic used by Eric Bichoff. Lets buy talent every 2 weeks and pay them insane amounts. We'll beat the WWF that way. We all saw what happened. WWF had a plan, WCW didn't. gg dead. | Net Hack Slasher
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|  #8 Posted on 2.5.02 1358.07 | There is very few people (maybe no one) that I dislike more then Goldberg. How awsome would he be if he had just half the respect for wrestling or himself to improve as someone like Trish (okay I'm a mark for her). who needs his...His half-assed heelness... His why should I sell for him he's smaller then me...Hey these three moves got me over why should I change...
Goldberg coming in is more short term then even Hogan. After you see Goldberg/Austin 1 do you really want or need to see Goldberg/Austin 2?
Leave Goldberg at home and give Lenser the Goldbergisk push and see what happens
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| #9 Posted on 2.5.02 1426.10 | This is going to be a trainwreck of a bad idea.
If the nWo didn't work, this definitely won't. The "creative" team in the WWF seems to have officially hit rock bottom after the last two years of bad writing. They have the stars already. They have stars that can practically write their own angles with their immense talent, but unfortunately, they do not have the management to guide them in the right direction.
After sucking the wrestling world dry, the WWF has to pick up every last thing that once drew in hopes of shocking the fans into watching their product, rather than creating well-written shocks on their own merit.
We saw them do the unthinkable and bring the nWo in earlier this year. When I first heard that, I immediately remembered how they blew the Invasion angle, but I also thought that possibly Hogan + Vince would be magic again (despite my dislike for Hogan). Hogan's return actually DID turn out to be magic, but here we are less than two months later. Now what?
Ausitn vs Hogan has to be the last big draw the WWF has right now (aside from a possible Austin & Rock vs Hogan & Flair, or some combination thereof, legend's match). After that? What? It's possible that they could be simply writing creative storylines, but maybe they've run all out of creativity.
A lot of fans might not even really remember Goldberg. His drawing power was probably even less than Hogan's by the end of his WCW run. Goldberg's last match was in January of 2001 against Lex Luger and Buff Bagwell, which he lost mostly clean. Does anyone remember? I'm surprised I did. By that time, he was nothing. Hell, he really is nothing. Goldberg seems like a nice enough guy, but his talent isn't anywhere near that of Austin, Rock, or dare I say it... Brock Lesnar. Maybe he's at the level of HHH.
It's amazing how, back in 1998, people actually debated over whether Austin or Goldberg was better. It was all the hype machine and, about a year later, everyone realized it. There's no "undefeated streak" this time.
Vince McMahon is a resourceful businessman, so the WWF will be alive for many years to come. It's just that we're probably looking at taking one giant leap backward to take one step forward. WrestleMania X20 will be held in the ECW Arena, while ZUMMERZLAM 2014 will be held at the Arkansas State Fair. If any of those events even exist by then. | shea
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| #10 Posted on 2.5.02 1434.54 | first off --
I can't believe the WWF would even contemplate moves out of desperation just because ratings are down. With NHL and NBA playoffs, it's no wonder the numbers have taken a dip. (They can't all be boom times, Vince.)
but second --
Let's face it, except for Booker, the WWF didn't even TRY to push the guys they got from WCW. No one can convince me that with a well-written push Vince couldn't have had at least one break-out star from that bunch.
So not only is it their own fault, signing someone like The Big Jewish Ego will only make things worse.
Ratings run in cycles; Vince should know that by now.
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| #11 Posted on 2.5.02 1500.25 | The difference between Goldberg and the other WCWers (other than Hogan) is that Goldberg has some mainstream name recognition, which could draw some casual fans who aren't watching.
It's fine and good to use folks like Hogan and Goldberg to pop ratings and get people who aren't hardcore fans to tune in. What the WWF is having a problem with is keeping these fans for more than a couple weeks. If you're going to use a name to pop a rating but not build anything on it, that's really bad.
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| #12 Posted on 2.5.02 1508.22 | I really hate Bill Goldberg. I didn't mind him when he was squashing guys like Jerry Flynn or Meng, but once he went to the mainevent level he became truely exposed for what he was...a bunch of hype packaged in a big body with two high impact moves. The man's even stated that he doesn't really like wrestling, but seeing as his Hollywood career has stalled it looks like he may lumber his big headed untalented ass back into the ring. If this all does come to pass it will bring some mark out moments and bring back some of the trendy fan, but in the end it can only get messy.
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| #13 Posted on 2.5.02 1512.42 |
Originally posted by MoeGates
The difference between Goldberg and the other WCWers ... is that Goldberg has some mainstream name recognition, which could draw some casual fans who aren't watching.
True dat, Moe. You'd probably see a 2-3 week spike.
My concern is perpetuating the stagnation of seeing the same handful of "stars" week in and week out. Having Goldberg (or, presently, Hogan) hogging the top of the card only ensures that nobody, and I mean no-body else has a chance in hell of getting a push.
Me personally, I'm ready for change. Enough of this same old/same old.
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| #14 Posted on 2.5.02 1522.04 | maybe Goldberg will kick some other canadian in the head, and then they'll go crazy. I'm hoping for Test.
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| #15 Posted on 2.5.02 1745.39 | Instant Rating: 4.42 | Maybe Hogan wants Goldberg to come in so he can get his job back, like he did with Ultimate Warrior at Halloween Havoc 1998.
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| #16 Posted on 2.5.02 1749.37 | "I can't believe the WWF would even contemplate moves out of desperation just because ratings are down. With NHL and NBA playoffs, it's no wonder the numbers have taken a dip. (They can't all be boom times, Vince.)"
In his latest interview with wwf.com Vince McMahon said that he thought the ratings had been solid since the split. Do you really think he has changed his mind in one week and is now acting out of desperation? I don't think this is a desperate move, I think it is a good for business move. Vince has two seperate promotions now, both of which could use another top level face or heel right now. And Goldberg is someone who would need no push to the top. He already has credibility enough in the normal fans eyes to be taken seriously as a threat. I don't care too much for Goldberg, but it's not too hard to see how this would be good for business, and running a business is what Vince is doing.
And didn't Goldberg just break his arm? If this story is just on 411 how much credibility does it have?
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| #17 Posted on 2.5.02 1804.32 | | 411 got the story from the Wrestling Observer and RajahWWF. | Mike Sweetser
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| #18 Posted on 2.5.02 1834.52 | From Meltzer.com:
Bill Goldberg over the past few days signed a contract buyout with AOL/Time Warner, making him a free agent.
The game is afoot.
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| #19 Posted on 2.5.02 1856.08 | Well I don't know about any of you but aren't you excited at the prospect of the feud we have waited 3 years for...
GOLDBERG VS. GILLBERG
"Berg on a Pole Match"
Smell the buyrate for KotR!
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| #20 Posted on 2.5.02 1930.47 | What about the possibility that Vince McMahon might snap him up mostly so he won't end up working for another promotion? I mean, obviously he wouldn't keep Goldberg cooling his heels backstage, but he hired Hennig just to take him away from the XWF, it seems.
Then again, a lot of casual viewers would probably tune in once or twice to see Goldberg again. *shrug* He doesn't do much for me. I wasn't a WCW fan in any case.
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