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BobHollySTILLRules
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Since: 3.1.02
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#21 Posted on
HOW DARE THE UNDERTAKER! DAMN HIM! DAMN HIM!

Yeah, I can see it now! Undertaker walks in and goes "HEY! I GOT AN IDEA VINCE!" He then proceeds to talk about how he should win a match over Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle and become the #1 Contender, cause lord knows Taker books this stuff. And why did he win? Oh, I don't know, hmmmm, could it be because they've been building to this for 6 weeks now!? HUH! WOW! I'm shocked! Undertaker won. Damn them and their want to give us the storyline they started 6 weeks ago. Maybe they should have had Benoit win. Ya know, cause lord knows a guy that jobs to BUBBA RAY DUDLEY on pay-per-view is a world title contender. Hey guys, do me a favor, step back from your whiny crybaby stuff and think about what makes sense. Stop bitching about things that only apply to certain subjects. They started Lesnar-Taker BEFORE VENGEANCE! They've been building to this. You cry about continuity? HERE! Take your continuity, chew on it, and like the taste. Face facts, Chris Benoit is not believable as a World Champion right now. Sure, he is to you guys, because you worship the ground he walks on. But, to me, a guy who watches the shows and sees him get little to no reaction, I think it's clear that a Benoit-Lesnar headlined pay-per-view would do really bad business. You can make an argument for Angle, but I'd rather see Taker LOSE to Lesnar than Angle. Back away from yourselves for once...please. Do you have to ruin EVERYTHING?

If you wanna blame someone, blame the bookers: Paul Heyman. And I really doubt Taker forced Angle and Benoit to put that move on him so he could look TUFF.

(edited by BobHollySTILLRules on 30.8.02 0330)


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#22 Posted on
I'm not really a Taker fan, but SD is indeed on a winning streak. Edge/Eddy was cool, Rey was awesome. Benoit and Angle are on the top of the game right now. and Shannon Moore is all that and a pound bag of Ranch Ruffles. Tajiri rules too btw.



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Since: 2.1.02
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#23 Posted on
I'll go ahead and blame the bookers.

IMO, money wise right now, Taker, Benoit, or Angle vs. Lesnar won't draw shit. If they put months of hype on Angle vs. Lesnar after turning one of them face, then it might end up meaning something to more than the Meltzer types around WM or so. As for the Crippler, agreed, right now Benoit just isn't there, but BobHollyStillRules, I think making a point out of him jobbing to Buh Buh is pretty pointless, considering the fact that earlier this month he made Rock (the CHAMP at the time and all) tap out and nearly did it again 2 weeks later... but you choose to point out the Buh Buh loss? Do you honestly think more people remember that, or him making Rock tap? And Taker... shit, all I ever hear is people quoting buyrates saying he can't draw on ppv. (But hey, he slapped around the champ on Monday!)

And damnit, WHOEVER booked the double submission spot, it just wasn't right. Since we're arguing over little details, you're telling me that Taker can be pinned by a kick in the face, yet two guys wrenching mercilessly on his body and he won't tap? (And it's not like he broke it up by making the ropes... it came down to Angle seemingly saying "Man, we're looking like bitches out here, Chris- I'd better stop and pull you off of him, too.") And how about a short while after, he takes an Angle Slam, and 25 SECONDS LATER he's pinning Benoit for the win?!?! You can substitute any 3 names you want in this match, but Guy C just made Guys A & B look pretty weak. Of course, it is Taker, so people are going to tend to jump on it more.

Like I said before, I don't like the options they're faced with, but if they want to go with Taker as their guy this month, I'm fine with that (especially since it does use some continuity, like BHSR said), but did they really need to bury others to get there? Why was this elimination match thing rushed in, no hype, no explanation, no nothing? Why did Eddy and Edge have to start? For either of them to get the title shot, they'd have to win 4 matches... why did Taker and Angle only have to win one? Did I miss a straw drawing segment? Also, why was this so open ended that guys were coming up and asking for a spot?

It's just stuff like this that detracts from (especially on SD) the good in-ring product. The main event, frustrations aside was very good. For two heels, the crowd seemed very into the sections of the match where only Benoit and Angle were involved. They didn't seem like they were going through the motions, they put it right out there and CONVINCED you that they each wanted the win, showing some very good fire. Taker just seemed to be out there, and it seemed like his heart was in his pre and post-match playing to the crowd, and not much else. Then again, I'm biased.

(edited by Ubermonkeys on 30.8.02 0920)

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Since: 16.1.02
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#24 Posted on
As far as why Angle broke off during the double submission, it was my impression that the ref was telling him that he wouldn't be able to declare a winner or that Benoit would win in a submission at that point.

I didn't mind the finish even though Benoit and Angle are my favorite guys and Taker, to put it mildly, isn't. I thought every guy got over as a contender.

Plus, I'm hoping that the fact that Angle and Benoit screwed each other leads to a fued. Can you imagine 6 or 7 Benoit/Angle matches?
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#25 Posted on


I thought it was a good show. Would I have been happy if Angle or Benoit won? Yes. But they didn't, and setting Undertaker up as the next one to be cut down works for me. He does have name recognition. He could have made Benoit and Angle look better, but hey, they'll have their chance. I didn't expect UT to take those suplexes.

One thing that might have been better would be to have Kane's return be last night against Benoit and Angle. He would have lost, because he just returned, but still..it would have been a better one than the Kane-a-roonie.

Everyone worked hard, and it was a solid, excellent show, light-years better than RAW. Bautisa has definite potential, Rico was excellent, and Eddie was Eddie.



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Since: 22.1.02
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#26 Posted on

    Originally posted by WhoBettahThanDeion
    Really, you guys MUST be glutton for punishment. You actually thought Benoti would win? Okay, even if he DID win, it's heel/heel. That sucks. Benoit vs. Lesnar does not equal buyrates. 'Taker's a face.




But TAKER vs. Lesnar equals buyrates??? Who's the fool?



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Since: 24.3.02
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#27 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy

      Originally posted by WhoBettahThanDeion
      Really, you guys MUST be glutton for punishment. You actually thought Benoti would win? Okay, even if he DID win, it's heel/heel. That sucks. Benoit vs. Lesnar does not equal buyrates. 'Taker's a face.




    But TAKER vs. Lesnar equals buyrates??? Who's the fool?


All right, maybe Taker doesn't equal buyrates. But if he doesn't, who does? Should the WWE sign Goldberg? he'd sure get the buyrates? The point is that Lesnar is going to win at the next PPV. The only face that seems to be a credible threat is Undertaker. Yes, they should have avoided the double submission. But that's not his fault.

BTW, what's going on with HHH? Is he a face or a heel now?

Oh, and SSS, they don't call it the "Taker Care of Business" anymore, but I saw him do the Dragon Sleeper not too long ago.



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#28 Posted on
Hey Yo...

Taker DOES equal buyrates. More than a lot of those other guys. Saying that is ingoring all the people that stood up after he won and cheered. Saying that is like saying the guy isn't over. I'll be the first to admit, that while I think 'Taker's boring in the ring, I think he's merely mediocre and can be carried to a good match. He's made Van Dam look like a million bucks in both THEIR outings, and him jobbing to Lesnar is fine.

So, there! HA! Who looks like a fool NOW? Don't answer that.
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Since: 22.1.02
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#29 Posted on

    Originally posted by WhoBettahThanDeion
    Taker DOES equal buyrates. More than a lot of those other guys. Saying that is ingoring all the people that stood up after he won and cheered. Saying that is like saying the guy isn't over. I'll be the first to admit, that while I think 'Taker's boring in the ring, I think he's merely mediocre and can be carried to a good match. He's made Van Dam look like a million bucks in both THEIR outings, and him jobbing to Lesnar is fine.

    So, there! HA! Who looks like a fool NOW? Don't answer that.



Okay, fair enough, he was definitely over last night. And he's probably the most over face they have right now. But (and I could be totally wrong about this), it seems like whenever there's an Undertaker-headlined PPV, the buyrates are low. Also, it seems like every heel's first run with the belt starts with a Taker feud. It just doesn't seem like anything that would get people talking. Logically, it seems like he should lay down for Brock, putting another notch in Brock's belt, but will he do it clean?

I agree that he can make guys like RVD (and Jeff Hardy for that matter) look good in a gut-check kinda match, where the plucky underdog kicks out of his big-man offense. That's the role he should be playing right now.



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#30 Posted on
Hey Yo...

Every heel's first run is against Taker? Taker hasn't been face that long. In fact, the only one who Taker faced first was...Hogan? And Hogan wasn't a heel.

As for buyrates. Not to sound like a selfish prick, but buyrates have no effect on my enjoyment of a show. Period. If the show's good and the buyrates or ratings are bad, I don't give a damn. I don't understand the "but the buyrates are bad argument." So you're saying a good show with bad buyrates doesn't entertain you?

Also, I don't understand why Taker would be selling walking through an airport (or at least there being a lack of selling). Unless you mean him selling the planes taking off, but how would one do that? I guess I just don't get your sig and the humor therein. Not to hate.

(edited by WhoBettahThanDeion on 30.8.02 1236)

(edited by WhoBettahThanDeion on 30.8.02 1244)A friend of mine's sister's cousin saw Benoit walking through an airport.

Me: Was he selling? He shouldn't have been if he was. I mean it IS just an airport.
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Since: 16.7.02
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#31 Posted on
I always get a chuckle out of asteroidboy's sig



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Since: 22.1.02
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#32 Posted on
Okay, I'm really thinking of heel Angle and heel Austin's first defenses. Taker, all the time, baby.

Buyrates don't affect my enjoyment of a PPV. If Summerslam '02 played before an empty house, and no one watched on TV, would it have still kicked ass? Of course. But I would care if there were enough low buyrates and the company went out of business. Then I would be sad. I think they're a decent overall indicator.


As for the sig - that's just from a conversation I had with a friend. RAW was in Austin earlier this year and his brother saw Mark Calloway walking through the airport.

And no, I didn't expect him to sell anything in the airport, unless two baggage handlers jumped him and put their submission holds on him at the same time. But that would be nutty. Generally, I just like to bitch about him no-selling.



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#33 Posted on

    Originally posted by Ubermonkeys
    BobHollyStillRules, I think making a point out of him jobbing to Buh Buh is pretty pointless, considering the fact that earlier this month he made Rock (the CHAMP at the time and all) tap out and nearly did it again 2 weeks later... but you choose to point out the Buh Buh loss? Do you honestly think more people remember that, or him making Rock tap?


Fair enough. But, let me ask you this: How many people, not on this board, are really going to remember Taker not tapping to Angle and Benoit? I mean really? And as for Benoit tapping to Rock, I didn't mention it because hell, *I* forgot about it.



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#34 Posted on
How many people, not on this board, are really going to remember Taker not tapping to Angle and Benoit? I mean really?

No idea.

And as for Benoit tapping to Rock, I didn't mention it because hell, *I* forgot about it.

But you remembered the Buh Buh job? I guess different people just remember different things. Oh well.

Rip, I was exaggerating a bit about the double submission point, which I know you got, but yeah, it's a good point. I just wish they could have come to that conclusion (and continued the match) after a tap by Taker, which is what happened with Austin's dual submission spot against DoubleChris.



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Since: 12.5.02
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#35 Posted on
I thought SD was good. Nothing out and out sucked and there was some good matches.
I did have some minor problems though. The tournament of whatever the hell it was was kind of lame. Not the matches but the new guy won every time. Next time the WWE should pimp the survivor tournament and let someone like Benoit or Edge win 3 in a row. It would let that person look really good in the fans eyes.
As far as UT goes well the match was good with him in it. Of course Benoit and Angle could make even a match with Mark Henry watchable. UT does make the most sense to be Lesnar's bitch next PPV.
As a wrestling fan I would love to see Angle, Benoit, and Guerrero switch the belt back and forth for the next 5 years. But would the rest of the fans? The ones who like HHH, UT, and Hogan? Sure their workrate sucks but they do make money.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
Well, if the Undertaker/Lesnar match at Unforgiven ends with Undertaker being Lesnar's bitch, I'm all for that. Oh, my God... Undertaker would actually have to job to Lesnar in order to lose... as opposed to when he lost the Undisputed Title to The Rock at Vengeance. You know who took the fall in that match? Kurt Angle. Even when Undertaker loses, it seems like he never jobs.

(Oh, yeah, he did lose to Triple H on RAW, to make Triple H the number-one contender, which I actually thought was the lesser of two evils. But what the hell was the point of that if they were simply gonna give Undertaker his shot back the following day anyway?)

So now we've got Undertaker lording it over SmackDown!, and Triple H lording it over RAW. Thank God there are plenty of faces on the roster that can make both of them look like a million bucks, otherwise they'd both look horrible-- not only to the smarky smark smarks, but to the common fans as well.

Any match featuring Benoit, Angle and a third guy will always be a good match, even if the third guy is Harvey Whippleman or Joe Schmoe, because Angle and Benoit are just so damn good. And yet Undertaker continues to get his push. Damn it all.

I, myself, would love to see an Angle-Lesnar feud and main-event PPV match at some point. Or have RVD rekindle his feud with Lesnar. Instead, we get the same two guys competing for title shots. Joy and mirth, and happiness.

Damn, I hope Brock kicks the shit out of Undertaker at Unforgiven. Anything less would be uncivilized.



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#37 Posted on
Taker bores the hell out of me, but obviously he has some fan appeal or he wouldn't be out there in the main. Then again, Trip more or less has RAW to himself, so...

Anyway, me thinks they should be utilizing Taker the same way they were using Hogan, as a human crutch/elevator for guys who need a boost. I'm betting that's the plan for Unforgiven, if Taker doesn't get is shot next week.

I would LOVE to see another Angle/Benoit series after that last suplexfest. And actually TAPE their matches this time.
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#38 Posted on
Random Smackdown Thoughts:

Too much Steph on this week's Smackdown.

"Mattitude" was funny. Matt Hardy's gimmick continues to get better.

I liked the Benoit video.

Main event was better than expected.

Overall despite Steph, the show was way better than RAW.


(edited by tomvejada on 1.9.02 0649)


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