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I've finally made the big switch in May from Windows to Linux (Ubuntu 6.06 "Dapper Drake"). So far I'm happy with it and am enjoying the OS. One major difference I've noticed is that besides being able to change the theme of your OS, you can actually change the entire desktop environment!

So far, I've been switching between four, because they all have good points and basically match my moods. GNOME was the first I used because it came with Ubuntu and overall it is a great introductory desktop. Functional, reasonably attractive, lets you run your apps with minimal fuss and great stability. After a few weeks, I grew bored with only being able to superficially change system themes and decided to give KDE a go. VERY nice! High level of customization, a few more bells and whistles and attractive. Had one crash, where I lost the taskbar (chalk it up to "NOOB ERROR"), but it was easily fixed. Besides that one little incident, KDE is also very stable and seems to use an even smaller percent of my system resources. Blackbox is very minimalist and low on bloat. Besides the wallpaper and choice of menu colors, no bells and whistles, but is the fastest of the three and great for those days you just wanna get in and do your thing on the computer and don't really care how it looks when you do it.

Personally, I like all three and use them fairly equally. They all work well with the Ubuntu distro and my apps run equally well on them.

Do any of you out there use Linux (any distro)? If so, which desktop environment do you prefer, and why? Like I said, I can't really decide between the three right now, but I'd like to hear from anyone solidly devoted to any single Desktop environment.






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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
When I was running Ubuntu on a desktop system, I stuck with Gnome. It seems to be my favorite.

Asking about this on the W is like asking a bunch of Christians if you should be a Hindu or a Buddhist.

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Why stop at three? There's always WindowMaker, AfterStep, ratpoison, FluxBox, Enlightenment, etc., etc.

Do bear in mind that Gnome and KDE are complete Desktop Environments as opposed to just being windowing systems and that you can theoretically run WindowMaker with Gnome or Blackbox with KDE or whatever. I believe the default window manager for Gnome is called MetaCity and the default for KDE is Sawfish, but I may be mistaken. Gnome and KDE give you much more unification on the desktop (especially with regards to error messages, etc.) at the cost of speed and footprint.

I generally use WindowMaker (a relative of BlackBox, FluxBox, and the rest of the AfterStep descendants) for preference, but probably mostly only because it's reasonably small, fast, and light, and because I know it so well. I run KDE on my work laptop after deciding that Gnome wasn't for me. That's a holy war in and of itself, really.

Find what works for you and use it. If you like switching around, nobody's going to stop you Using the one that suits the task at hand best makes a lot of sense to me.

I do plan to stick with WindowMaker on my home box, but I suspect I'll be giving Enlightenment a try at some point, if only for the eye candy.

I've also been sorely tempted to rig up something super-minimalist like ratpoison and give that a spin.
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I've tried Enlightenment, and it was great as a window manager in conjunction with GNOME and KDE, but when I tried it alone, I couldn't access my apps! What did I screw up there?








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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
    Originally posted by EastCoastAvenger
    I've tried Enlightenment, and it was great as a window manager in conjunction with GNOME and KDE, but when I tried it alone, I couldn't access my apps! What did I screw up there?




You probably didn't screw up anything

That's the difference between your standard Window Manager and your complete Desktop Environment. When you used Enlightenment in concert with GNOME and KDE, they were keeping track of all your apps and stuff and Enlightenment was simply doing the window management. When you switched to "pure" Enlightenment, there was no GNOME or KDE to tell it where everything was. You were starting with a blank slate, so to speak. In order to have all your apps and such available, you'd have to spend significant time setting up Enlightenment. You see quickly why many will take the performance hit of running GNOME or KDE rather than spending yonks setting up a particular window manager just the way they like it.

If you had access to all the same apps and stuff when you were using BlackBox alone without GNOME or KDE, it's probably because BlackBox is "smart" and imports as many settings as it can find. This may, in fact, be a distro feature. I know WindowMaker does this on SuSE 9.3 and up: when you launch "pure" WindowMaker, there are some scripts that dynamically set up your root menu with many of the things you would normally be able to access if you were in GNOME or KDE.

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Don't know if I should put this in its own thread or not. I'm thinking of switching an old computer I have over to Linux. It's not my main, so I don't really care if I mess things up. I found http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ which asks you questions, then recommends a distribution. Well, it ended up recommending OpenSUSE, with Fedora as a close second. My biggest concern is the system requirements. This computer is old, with a Pentium II processor and 64 MBs of RAM. Anything else is a bonus, with the tiebreak going to a system that's easier to setup. Anyone have any recommendations.



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That machine is going to be a pain to get working with anything modern and interesting. Try a few boot CDs - Morphix and Knoppix are both Debian based live CDs. Ubuntu also has a live CD.

That's pretty old hardware and you aren't going to have a ton of luck with the newer nicer features of any distribution. It should be no problem to get an older command line based version working, or a newer command line version probably - but I bet you are thinking about a desktop version.



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Yeah, that's what I figured. Wikipedia gave me some possibilities though. I've not heard of any of these distros before, but I'll give them a shot.



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