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Last night CNN reported that Giuliani was dropping out in light of his 3rd place finish. And just a few moments ago WGN in Chicago said that the AP is reporting Edwards is dropping out of the race due to his repeated 3rd place finishes.



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Click Here (cnn.com)

CNN's link on Edwards.

So, he's not throwing support to Clinton or Obama yet either. I'll be curious to see which way he goes.

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    Originally posted by whatever
    So, he's not throwing support to Clinton or Obama yet either. I'll be curious to see which way he goes.


Depends what he wants. Supreme Court seat? Attorney General? Ambassador to Somewhere Warm And Scenic? Maybe even the vice-presidency again, though rumour has put Bill Richardson in line for Hillary's VP slot and conventional wisdom has said that Obama will want an older, more experienced pol (i.e. Cheney, except not evil) as his running mate.



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Weird. Most thought that Edwards would at least hang on to Super Tuesday. What changed between the South Carolina primary and now?
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I don't understand the logic of this move by Edwards. 62 delegates is probably not going to be enough to be a swing factor should it be a race that goes to the convention. Staying in the race another week, possibly cobbling together another 40-50 delegates, and then suspending his campaign would have made the most sense. I think closer to 200 delegates probably would have been needed to be in a swing position, but north of 100 would have been the bare minimum. Unless he already has a deal cut and is endorsing someone by Tuesday, he quickly becomes an afterthought and has virtually no leverage. As for him being a VP candidate: He ran up the track twice as a Presidential candidate and has the stench of the Kerry campaign on him from his VP run. Can't see him being that attractive a candidate, especially since he couldn't make his home state competitive in '04.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.43
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    I don't understand the logic of this move by Edwards. 62 delegates is probably not going to be enough to be a swing factor should it be a race that goes to the convention. Staying in the race another week, possibly cobbling together another 40-50 delegates, and then suspending his campaign would have made the most sense. I think closer to 200 delegates probably would have been needed to be in a swing position, but north of 100 would have been the bare minimum. Unless he already has a deal cut and is endorsing someone by Tuesday, he quickly becomes an afterthought and has virtually no leverage. As for him being a VP candidate: He ran up the track twice as a Presidential candidate and has the stench of the Kerry campaign on him from his VP run. Can't see him being that attractive a candidate, especially since he couldn't make his home state competitive in '04.
    Onto Rudy: Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


But consider for a moment, either Obama or Hillary will get the nomination. Kerry is what they aren't, the traditional white guy politician. And he has some cred with the tradtional base and is viewed as the crusader for the downtrodden. He could greatly help Hillary in the South and Obama with leery white voters. Finally, he does well on the stump and could really help Hillary's campaign personality.

Obama or Hillary will need to court a segment of the population that Edwards appeals to quite well.

(edited by DrDirt on 31.1.08 0821)


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    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      I don't understand the logic of this move by Edwards. 62 delegates is probably not going to be enough to be a swing factor should it be a race that goes to the convention. Staying in the race another week, possibly cobbling together another 40-50 delegates, and then suspending his campaign would have made the most sense. I think closer to 200 delegates probably would have been needed to be in a swing position, but north of 100 would have been the bare minimum. Unless he already has a deal cut and is endorsing someone by Tuesday, he quickly becomes an afterthought and has virtually no leverage. As for him being a VP candidate: He ran up the track twice as a Presidential candidate and has the stench of the Kerry campaign on him from his VP run. Can't see him being that attractive a candidate, especially since he couldn't make his home state competitive in '04.
      Onto Rudy: Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


    But consider for a moment, either Obama or Hillary will get the nomination. Kerry is what they aren't, the traditional white guy politician. And he has some cred with the tradtional base and is viewed as the crusader for the downtrodden. He could greatly help Hillary in the South and Obama with leery white voters. Finally, he does well on the stump and could really help Hillary's campaign personality.

    Obama or Hillary will need to court a segment of the population that Edwards appeals to quite well.

    (edited by DrDirt on 31.1.08 0821)

If Edwards were a retired Senator from NC who had been just touring the country doing the poverty-awareness thing the last two years I would say he would be a very strong choice for VP. But at this point he needs to be out of the public eye for a cycle if he wants back in the game. He has shown no help with pulling in Southern voters, just ask Kerry in 2004.

If I'm Hilary I want a white male for VP, preferably not from a deep blue state, who can sit on her right somewhat. Perhaps Bayh or Vilsack might be potential nods. If I'm Obama, experience is key. Richardson might be a good choice for him, as he brings both the foreign policy portfolio, the gubernatorial portfolio, and hopefully would help make inroads for Obama into the Hispanic vote that so far has been cool to him. If not Richardson, and he wants to truly shake things up, perhaps Sebelius from Kansas?

Either way, I think Edwards dropping out is more of a pride/money thing. He can't afford to campaign, and if he's in the race on Feb. 5 and doesn't take a single state, getting wiped out in many of them, it probably ends any hope he has of running for national office in the future.



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spf, good points but I think the main reason Edwards didn't help Kerry in the Deep South was Kerry himself. I don't feel Edwards is as damaged as you do, I think his lack of traction has more to do with everyone's fascination with the two left in the race. Edwards is a nonevent compared to them.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    spf, good points but I think the main reason Edwards didn't help Kerry in the Deep South was Kerry himself. I don't feel Edwards is as damaged as you do, I think his lack of traction has more to do with everyone's fascination with the two left in the race. Edwards is a nonevent compared to them.

Its not so much that he's damaged right now as that he is a non entity. Running for VP twice in a row after two failed attempts at the presidency is going to make him look like the loser who always goes for the consolation prize. At this point in time I think that regardless who gets the nod there are people out there who will bring more votes to their party as a VP candidate than Edwards. Even in SC Edwards couldn't get any traction despite being the southern home boy. His appeal in the south seems to be rather limited to me, and unlikely to pull in anyone who isn't voting for the Dem ticket anyhow.



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I tend to agree with spf--I see Evan Bayh as the most likely running mate for Clinton if she gets the nomination. Obama/Richardson is certainly a possibilty, although my guess would be Joe Biden if it's Obama. Heck, Obama/Bayh isn't out of the question, either.

While I'm making predictions, I'm going to guess that if McCain gets the nomination on the other side, his running mate will be Huckabee. Beats me who Romney would go for, though. Tommy Thompson, maybe?.
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Obama needs to counter the lack of experience label and someone with a long track record makes sense. I agree with Peter that Obama/Biden seems logical.

Edwards is out. Accepting the bottom half of the ticket twice in a row is not appealing. Anybody/Edwards is to reminiscent of Kerry/Edwards.

Huckabee doesn't have a chance of getting the nomination but if he hangs in there he makes a nice bottom half of a McCain/Huckabee ticket. He has appeal with conservative Christians and appeal to the so called "true conservatives" who may not be thrilled with McCain as the nominee.

My predictions:

Obama/Biden or Clinton/Bayh
McCain/Huckabee or Romney/?





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If it's Hillary, my money's on Wesley Clark as a running mate. He's a certified F.O.B. and will help close the gap on what's going to be the Democrats' biggest problem on election day: filling out the 50-state strategy this time around.

(edited by JoshMann on 2.2.08 0125)


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#13 Posted on
    Originally posted by JoshMann
    If it's Hillary, my money's on Wesley Clark as a running mate.

    (edited by JoshMann on 2.2.08 0125)


I forgot about Clark. That's a pretty good call.




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