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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.88
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5491104

I would choose him over Sandberg in a heartbeat. Joe got more experience and a ring. Ryne can wait.

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I would choose Sandberg over Giardi. While Giardi is a proven manager with a very good track record, the Cubs as an organization should forego the free-agency-first ideas that they've employed now for a number of years, both from a player standout and also from a managerial standpoint. The Cubs have a good supply of quality young players and I believe for them to succeed they'll need a manager for the next several years that is familiar with the system as a whole and with the players specifically. Sandberg has been a manager in the Cubs' farm system for four years and knows the personnel better than anyone.

Part of the reason for the Cubs not being able to contend regularly is because of a lack of organizational continuity that stems from a mix-mash of free-agent players and coaches. If the Cubs want to get good and *stay* good, they need to do it as a whole and I think Sandberg is more suited to that than Giardi. Giardi is a local guy and played for the team, but isn't as in touch with the lower levels as someone that has managed internally.

That being said, I fully expect Jim Hendry to try to sign Giardi to a short-term, high-dollar contract in the off season. He'll forego Sandberg, who would probably sign a lifetime contract for zero dollars for a chance to manage the Cubs.
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Girardi has proven he can manage anybody and make them a winner. Sandburg has history with the team, and that's about it. If he was so great, he would have been in Chicago by now, seeing as how Lou was stinking the joint up for a while now.

That being said, as a Yankees fan, I can't see them letting Joe go. He's too valuable a commodity to let walk.

Unless Torre wants back in the pinstripes....
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

    Sandburg has history with the team, and that's about it. If he was so great, he would have been in Chicago by now, seeing as how Lou was stinking the joint up for a while now.


(year prior: 66 wins, 6th place)
2007: 85 wins, 1st in division
2008: 97 wins, 1st in division
2009: 83 wins, 2nd in division
2010: bad, doesn't seem to qualify as "a while now"

I see you've put a lot of thought into this.



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Two games over .500 (last season) with that payroll, in that market is indeed stinking up the joint.
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Been enjoying my season tickets behind home for the 1st place IOWA Cubs, managed by Sandberg. Yeah, its just AAA ball, but Ryno has shown a lot a fire in addition to a bunch of wins - guy got his fourth ejection this season today.

That said, as much as he is loyal to Chicago, I just can't see him managing in the minors next year. There was serious talk of him going to Pittsburgh in June, and I can think of a few clubs out there that would love to have a Hall of Famer in their dugout.

Not to mention that Girardi may be a back-to-back World Series Champion by 2011. The Yankees won't let him slip through their gold encrusted fingers.



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I'd be shocked if Ryno isn't the manager next season. He knows Castro and Colvin and Nagy and all the young pitchers. He's respected by all. He's ambitious. He's won with the Cubs (First time in the playoffs in 39 years in 1984). He's a hall of famer and MVP.

And even if Hendry did want him (although I think Hendry might be gone after this season), I don't think the Yanks let him go. Look for Ryno to be announced BEFORE the world series.



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Ryno has paid his dues to/for the cubs organization. He's managed at every minor league tier, and the young guys seem to play for him. He is more loyal to the Cubs than Girardi is. That might come off more vicious than I'd like for it to, but what I mean is that Girardi went and won 2 world titles in New York as an active player. When you add the fact that he could have 2 more as a manager for the same team, the fact that he doesn't need the Cubs becomes so much more clearer. Yes, he has ties to Chicago and Illinois. He grew up about 15-20 minutes away from me(*)but that doesn't mean as much as it did if he didn't have the hardware and the Yanks waving cash in his face to stay.


On the subject of the GM,Hendry has been needed to be fired for a while, IMO

*Jim Thome also grew up the same distance from me, but in the opposite direction.

(edited by Ryan72182 on 30.8.10 1740)

(edited by Ryan72182 on 30.8.10 1741)
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.94
    Originally posted by Ryan72182
    Ryno has paid his dues to/for the cubs organization. He's managed at every minor league tier, and the young guys seem to play for him. He is more loyal to the Cubs than Girardi is. That might come off more vicious than I'd like for it to, but what I mean is that Girardi went and won 2 world titles in New York as an active player. When you add the fact that he could have 2 more as a manager for the same team, the fact that he doesn't need the Cubs becomes so much more clearer. Yes, he has ties to Chicago and Illinois. He grew up about 15-20 minutes away from me(*)but that doesn't mean as much as it did if he didn't have the hardware and the Yanks waving cash in his face to stay.


I would say that if Girardi decides he wants to take the Cubs job despite the Yankees waving cash in his face--and despite the obvious ability of the Yankees to provide him with top-notch talent--then his loyalty to the Cubs would be extremely impressive. (Not to say that Sandberg's is any less.)
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From reading around, it sounds like the only thing that'd get Girardi to the Cubs is if the Cubs offered him a stupid amount of money, seriously outbidding the Yankees. No one really knows if the Cubs would do it, because we're still getting a read on this ownership crew and how they'll react to a disappointing season.

At that point, it really wouldn't matter who was the better manager, because the Cubs would have a lot less to spend on all the other holes they'll still have to feel.

Ownership has played it conservative, so I don't think expect they'll pay. But you never know.

(edited by thecubsfan on 30.8.10 2256)


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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.43
The new ownership of the Cubs has a helluva debt load, overpaid for the club by about $100 million, is facing a down economy, and hasn't done much to improve the team on the field in "Year One".

Put the squeeze on Mesa for a new spring training complex? Force a big honkin' Toyota sign past the landmarks committee? Invest in one of the rooftop clubs that was facing bankruptcy? Put a big yellow Kraft Mac & CheeseĀ® noodle statue outside the park? All of these HAVE been done by the Ricketts family.

Tribune Company spent a lot of money the last few years trying to drive up the sale price of the Cubs, and they intentionally back-loaded the big contracts that they weren't going to be around to pay. Fortunately they do have some decent young talent to distract the patrons as they wait for Soriano and Zambrano's deals to expire.

Girardi will get top dollar. Sandberg, as a 'rookie' manager will cost less, and be more of an attraction. The Cubs being the Cubs, this is going to turn out that Sandberg takes another job while the Cubs wait to talk to Girardi - and then Joe uses the leverage to get a few million extra out of Hal Steinbrenner. Cubs hire Pat Listach.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    From reading around, it sounds like the only thing that'd get Girardi to the Cubs is if the Cubs offered him a stupid amount of money, seriously outbidding the Yankees. No one really knows if the Cubs would do it, because we're still getting a read on this ownership crew and how they'll react to a disappointing season.

    At that point, it really wouldn't matter who was the better manager, because the Cubs would have a lot less to spend on all the other holes they'll still have to feel.

    Ownership has played it conservative, so I don't think expect they'll pay. But you never know.

    (edited by thecubsfan on 30.8.10 2256)

Also worth factoring in is that they've taken a pretty good hit attendance wise this year. Paid attendance is down somewhat, but through the gate attendance is down a pretty big chunk it appears. It seems like a good chunk of the February ticket sales were to people hoping to resell them, and they are not succeeding at all.

So with that in mind, and the fact that right now they have a pretty rough offseason coming up where they are unlikely to make significant roster improvements, what better thing to sell to the masses than the return of Ryno? The beloved legend takes the reins to lead the Cubbies to the promised land. That would likely buy the team a year or two of goodwill with the fanbase by which time almost all of the dead money contracts will be gone and assuming they've taken Hendry out back and shot him they can actually rebuild with a competent GM.

(I apparently missed TOM's post, hence my repetitiveness)

(edited by spf on 31.8.10 0539)


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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.92
Problem with hiring your Hall of Fame legend as a manager is that in all likelihood, you are eventually going to have to fire him. That could cause bad blood in the Yankees/Berra feud that lasted over 15 years, and the Cubs, unlike the Yankees, don't have many legends to fall back on to get a cheap pop for 'insert legend's name here' day.
Since these are the Cubs, they let Girardi jerk their chain long enough for Sandberg to go to Seattle, Girardi backs out at the last minute and remains with the Yankees, and the Cubs hire, I'll say Willie Randolph.
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