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ESPN.com is reporting that Joe Girardi will become the next Yankee manager. Contract expected to be three years for 6 mill.

Sounds like they got their man but not really a long contract.
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Mattingly is a genius. He is perfectly set up to let Girardi take the fall.

Boston probably will be on the wane in three years, and Girardi won't have been able to turn it around before his contract is over.

Mattingly will inherit a soon-to-be winner and can Chuckie his way into a championship.




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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Boston probably will be on the wane in three years


We must have been watching some different baseball over the past week or so. I'd be less sure that the Yankees will still be good with all of their old guys and their lack of success creating a cohesive team out of a bunch of high-priced FAs. For every Joba Champerlain and Phil Hughes the Yankees have the Sox have a Beckett or a Buchholz.



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I don't think you can sustain this level of play forever through trades and FA. I think the Yankees are already well on their way down and are just going to get worse for the short term.

Boston only has down to go at this point

Mattingly is a genius, because would you want to face the Red Sox next season? With the pieces he has today?

Three years from now it might be a different story. I'd rather take over then than now.

//edit: What I'm saying is, in 3 years hopefully the Yankees are coming back up in talent, and the Red Sox are dropping down. Mattingly hopes to catch them at a future date when they are going to be more competetive, making him look like a better manager.

No Yankees manager beats the Red Sox next year, barring HUGE changes.

(edited by Guru Zim on 29.10.07 1314)



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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    I don't think you can sustain this level of play forever through trades and FA. I think the Yankees are already well on their way down and are just going to get worse for the short term.

    Boston only has down to go at this point

    Mattingly is a genius, because would you want to face the Red Sox next season? With the pieces he has today?

    Three years from now it might be a different story. I'd rather take over then than now.

    //edit: What I'm saying is, in 3 years hopefully the Yankees are coming back up in talent, and the Red Sox are dropping down. Mattingly hopes to catch them at a future date when they are going to be more competetive, making him look like a better manager.

    No Yankees manager beats the Red Sox next year, barring HUGE changes.

    (edited by Guru Zim on 29.10.07 1314)

Problem is the Red Sox are absolutely loaded with good young players. Ellsbury, Pedroia, Buchholz, Papelbon, Lester, Youkilis are a hell of a core. That's not even mentioning guys like Beckett, Matsuzaka and Ortiz, who is only 31. That's not even mentioning kids like Jed Lowrie or Michael Bowden.

And if you don't think they will be opening up the checkbook the moment Johan Santana hits Free Agency you're crazy. Feasibly their rotation could be Santana, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Buchholz, Lester on Opening Day 2009. That's not a team on the decline.
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    Originally posted by spf
    And if you don't think they will be opening up the checkbook the moment Johan Santana hits Free Agency you're crazy. Feasibly their rotation could be Santana, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Buchholz, Lester on Opening Day 2009. That's not a team on the decline.

No way in hell Cashman lets Santana go to Boston, not with the rotation issues we've had the past few years. The Yankees will outbid Boston for Santana, mark my words - and now that A-Rod's gone we'll have the money with which to do it!



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Well, I saw on some ticker somewhere that Mattingly left, so my point is moot. Nevermind




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I think that Girardi was the best man for the job, followed by Tony Pena. I have been in LOVE with Don Mattingly since 1984, but it is not his time. I am sorry that he would be coming back to the Yankees in any form, though.



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Something called the New York Times is saying the Dodgers plan to fire Grady Little, hire Joe Torre as manager and Mattingly as hitting coach.



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Wow, seeing Donnie Baseball in anything besides pinstripes would be unusual. Does this mean the Curse of Mattingly transfers to L.A., or does this mean that the Yankees will make the Series over the next few years, only to lose to the Dodgers every time?

What's the proper analogy for upgrading to Torre from Little? Getting a Porsche for a tricycle?
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Something called the New York Times is saying the Dodgers plan to fire Grady Little, hire Joe Torre as manager and Mattingly as hitting coach.


Works out perfectly for Mattingly. His kid is coming up through the Dodger farm system and is supposedly quite a stud.

Big Bad, the Dodgers have enough problems. No curse necessary. Considering how the Dodgers have a tendency to turn almost any positive into crap (this is the same team that had a 1st place lead in the division at the end of July and somehow ended up finishing in FOURTH PLACE), I'm not ready to jump for joy over Torre. I remember Grady Little was supposed to be the solution to all the Dodgers' woes. He got them to the playoffs where Jeff Kent and J.D. Drew both got gunned down at home plate ON THE SAME PLAY in one of the single most moronic plays in October history and it was all downhill from there. They haven't won a playoff series since winning it all in 1988 and Torre hasn't gotten out of the first round since 2004. More than that, though, the NL West is NOT a two-horse race like the AL East. The NL West is the most competitive division in baseball, aside from the AL Central. Instead of competing against the Red Sox, Torre will have to go up against the NL West champion D-Backs, the NL champion Rockies, and the fearsome Padres. Winning won't come easy and I'm not about to get excited just yet. Adding Torre to THIS particular crop of Dodgers does about as much good as adding 5-time champion Phil Jackson to THIS particular crop of Lakers. They'll do better, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee success. Add a premier free agent, though, and then they might have something going.

At the very least, at least I'll never have the pleasure of mistaking Grady Little for Forrest Gump again. Hope the door doesn't hit him on the way out.

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
Anyone who thought Grady Little would be a saviour also probably thought Norv Turner was a good hire for the Chargers. Little is an awful manager. I'll be surprised if he gets another job in baseball after this (though if friggin' Dusty Baker can get rehired, I guess anyone can). Joe Torre is a good manager that knows how to get the most out of his talent. Given that the Dodgers have a talented roster that consistently underachieves, he would seem to be a great choice.

I'm very curious about Girardi with the Yankees. Part of me thinks he's one of the few choices that can actually work well in New York, but on the other hand, he does have just the one season of experience. And that was with a very young team that he could be the tyrant around --- not a veteran team like the Yankees who might be less receptive.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.75
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Joe Torre is a good manager that knows how to get the most out of his talent.


See I don't get this sentiment about Torre. Joe was pretty much at the right place at the right time when he caught on with the Yankees. He took over a team built by Stick Michaels & Buck Showalter, & basically had the right temperament & personality not to mess it up.

As far as his skill as a manager & his ability to get the most out of his players, I have to strongly disagree. Joe is famous for basically ruining any decent arm he gets in the bullpen (other than Rivera who is a freak of nature), so much so that the Yankee management had to put in special rules for a prospect so that Torre would not kill him like he did Ramiro Mendoza, Scott Proctor, etc etc etc...

His ability to get the most out of his players is questioned by the simple fact that he didn't get it done with the highest payroll in baseball. How hard is it to get the most out of a team of all-stars... which he wasn't apparently always able to anyway.

As far as his managerial skills, let's remember that his record wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire before he got to the Yankees. I still contend that playing Jeter in for the "speedster" Luis Gonzalez in Game 7 of the World Series probably cost them the series. Managing on a regular basis in the NL again will probably expose Torre's strategic abilities even further, & his inability to manage his bullpen (even tougher in the NL) will basically make it another long year(s) for the Dodgers.
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Haven't figured out how this impacts the Curse of Mattingly. Still have a few months to figure that out.
I disagree that the AL East is a 2 team division right now. If Vernon Wells played anywhere near his contract and the Blue Jays didn't have an awful first 2 weeks of May, they would have been in contention until the end. Honestly, the Blue Jays were the 5th or 6th best team in baseball this season despite their injuries, below the Red Sox, Indians, Yankees, Tigers and close to the Angels. If Posada were to journey across town and the Yankees stick to their guns on A-Rod, then I really see Toronto being the main threat to the Red Sox. Their young pitching has already been introduced into the roster, and they have a legit ace in Halladay. Still can't figure out how the offense was so bad, but if that rebounds, they could be a low 90's win team in '08.
I don't see Santana going free agent. I can't see Minnesota not putting him up for auction in the off-season and coming away with at least 2 high ceiling pitchers and/or a high ceiling position player. Then, whoever wins the Santana auction would probably give him 6/$150 not to go on the market. They picked up Nathan's option at an affordable price, could flip him for something good if they get off to a slow start. If they look at the division, Detroit is already loading up for '08, Cleveland should be in good shape unless they mentally collapse like they did in '06 after the end of '05, and you have to think the White Sox are going to do something major to turn things around. Hell, even the Fighting Piemen (Royals) don't look to be complete dregs right now. Perhaps you risk giving up being a mid-pack team in '08 if you are the Twins to be an upper rung team in '10 or '11. It has worked before for them.
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I'm thinking that the New York media have to be licking their chops.. Consider that Girardi nearly led the $16,000,000 payroll Marlins to a .500 record - and STILL got himself ousted for not getting along with ownership. Mix that in with a feeling-his-oats Hank Steinbrenner and the Tampa cabal, I think there's a fair chance this could go south with another first round exit next year.

And I don't see where Mattingly taking a job with the Dodgers necessarily kills his chances of taking over the Yankees later. Torre isn't the sort who would stand in the way, were Don to get the call one or two seasons down the road.




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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    What's the proper analogy for upgrading to Torre from Little? Getting a Porsche for a tricycle?


A tricycle with two bad wheels and a broken handlebar.

    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Honestly, the Blue Jays were the 5th or 6th best team in baseball this season despite their injuries...


The 2007 Blue Jays had the 11th best pythagorean record in the majors (behind the Red Sox, Yankees, Indians, Tigers, Angels, Phillies, Mets, Braves, Rockies and Padres).

Getting a bounce-back year from Wells (whose 2006 looks like an abberation, given his career stats), as well as a healthy return from Ryan and another healthy, dominant year from Halladay would be nice. But they were 12th in the league in OBP and 10th in runs scored. A bad offense can't win games, no matter how good the pitching is.



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I applaud everyone's positive thoughts about the Blue Jays, but they're not going anywhere until the Ricciardi/Gibbons cabal is ousted. Injuries were a big factor this season, no question, but the main reason Toronto didn't hit is because they simply don't know how to play baseball. They're totally married to the idea of walks and three-run homers on offense, and thus when the bats are cold, they can't adjust with hit-and-runs, steals, and station-to-station baseball. The most exciting play of the year for the Jays was Aaron Hill's steal of home against New York in May, not just because it was cool, but it was such a daring move from a team that never makes them. If the Jays were a poker player, they'd be one of those guys who keeps waiting for pocket aces while his stack dwindles down. It is inexcusable that a team who finally got a great showing from the rotation finished as poorly as the Blue Jays did.

    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    I'm thinking that the New York media have to be licking their chops.. Consider that Girardi nearly led the $16,000,000 payroll Marlins to a .500 record - and STILL got himself ousted for not getting along with ownership. Mix that in with a feeling-his-oats Hank Steinbrenner and the Tampa cabal, I think there's a fair chance this could go south with another first round exit next year.


In Girardi's defense, he couldn't get along with Jeffrey Loria, one of the two or three biggest assholes in baseball. I definitely take Joe's side on that one.
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