From what I saw on SC: Lilly didn't agree with Gibbons taking him out with an 8-7 lead, and Lilly refused to give up the ball without an argument. Lilly went into the clubhouse, followed a few seconds later by Gibbons. Then, you just see the bench clear all of a sudden and head into the tunnel. Apparently, Gibbons got a bloody nose in whatever happened.
I think both men are at fault- Lilly showed up his manager on the mound at a time when any sane manager would take him out. As for the fight, we don't really know much about what happened yet, but I'm assuming J-Gibb went to confront Lilly.
If you're a Blue Jay fan, you really gotta be concerned with Gibbons at this point, especially with the Shea Hillenbrand situation in the rear-view mirror.
The Shea Hillenbrand episode can be written off due to Shea having been a disciple of Captain Carl Everett when he first came to the majors. Plus Hillenbrand was expendable. Lilly's a left handed starter who has demonstrated he can dominate Boston, a team the Blue Jays need to overtake in order to have playoff hopes in '07. Of course, the Red Sox front office might accomplish that for the Blue Jays, but that's another rant for another day. If it is between a left handed starter and a manager with no proven track record, the lefty wins. Plus, it isn't like J.P. has had any problem dumping managers before.
I don't see Gibbons coming back after this year. This was supposed to be the year that Toronto contended and while they did improve, too much inner turmoil turned this into another "Wait 'til next year" performance for the Blue Jays.
They've got what it takes, especially with a sick rotation boasting Halladay, Lilly, and Burnett. And now that Troy Glaus has found his swing again, there shouldn't be any excuses for not making it this year. Gibbons being at the center of various clubhouse chaos shouldn't get in the way of the ultimate goal, so I don't see him coming back next year.
Originally posted by It's FalseIThey've got what it takes, especially with a sick rotation boasting Halladay, Lilly, and Burnett.
The Jays rotation is Halladay and nothing else this year. It was supposed to be "sick" with Burnett, Lilly, and Chacin, but between injuries and the fact that the three of them aren't very good, it hasn't lived up to the billing.
I do think that Gibbons should be gone at the end of the year, but last night's episode has to go on Lilly's tab. As was stated, You are up 8-0 and suddenly the game is now 8-7. How can you not expect to get pulled?!
Where the wild are strong, and the strong are the darkest ones, you're the Darkest One.
If you're looking for a middle reliever who can eat up appearances and innings, assuming he comes back healthy look at Kelly Wunsch of the White Sox. I believe he had the most appearances of anyone in the AL in 2000.