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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.55
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6824374

To the best of my knowledge, Giambi is the only person so far who has ever made an apology when in the spotlight for performance-enhancing drugs. He "apologized" several years back when he tested positive for steroids, but he didn't actually say what he was apologizing for. So the apology seemed a little weak, but the fact that he came forward at all was more than anyone else has done.

Now that he's clearing the air, I have even more respect for him. He made what he considers a mistake, he was part of the ongoing problem, and for whatever reason, he's decided that he's going to step forward and risk whatever backlash he gets from players, owners, and MLB. Very admirable.

After the positive drug test, Giambi was booed as much as Palmeiro was after his, and that went on for a LONG time. Especially at Yankees games. I won't say he didn't deserve that. However, it takes a strong person to withstand all of that and eventually turn his career back around while clean.

Kudos to Giambi, and let's hope other players and owners get behind him. So far, he's the only person in baseball who's shown a willingness to deal with the elephant in the room.
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I have to agree. I hate that these guys did it, but it was clearly the accepted thing to do back then. The only thing that really upsets me now is the ones claiming they never did anything when we know they did, or those trying to avoid the issue altogether.

He's willing to admit it was wrong and try to help fix the problem. I'm more than willing to forgive him his mistakes, as I will be for anyone else willing to come forward. I know he had to be caught first, but still.

Good to hear more players speaking their minds lately on all issues.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    He's willing to admit it was wrong and try to help fix the problem.


Let's be fair here. Giambi is so willing to take the high road simply because he WAS caught. His asking others to apologize & come forward only serves to make him feel better and less alone.

It is very easy for him to say that everyone should come forward & apologize for past transgressions, when the only reason he came forward and apologized is because he was caught cheating & was forced to.

This sounds more like a misery loves company situation, & his claiming at the end of the article that the steroids didn't help him hit homeruns shows that he probably still doesn't think he did anything wrong other than get caught...
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True, but others have been caught and have pretty much all refused to admit it still. He's the only one I can think of in all sports to have been caught and owned up to it. So while he still sucks for doing it to begin with, he's at least a step better than the rest.
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Yes, let's be fair. He was caught four years ago. Since then, he's essentially received forgiveness from the fans, as it's widely known he has revived his career without the use of performance enhancers.

He has no reason to do this now, as he's not still being criticized by anyone. What is the personal benefit he receives? He's coming forward in a unionized league and speaking out against the entire sport he plays for. Yeah... he's really going to benefit from this.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
    Originally posted by chill
    Yes, let's be fair. He was caught four years ago. Since then, he's essentially received forgiveness from the fans, as it's widely known he has revived his career without the use of performance enhancers.


    Originally posted by foxsports.com article
    Giambi reportedly told a grand jury during the BALCO investigation in December 2003 that he used steroids and human growth hormone. He told USA Today this week he's thankful for MLB's testing program for steroids and amphetamines that was revised before last season. MLB does not test for HGH, but Giambi said he does not use the drug.


So we're taking the Giambino at his word on this??

As I recall, his BALCO involvement broke sometime during the winter of 2004, after he was out half the season, and hit .208 - the reason he gave the apology for something or the other that a player (possibly, but not necessarily me) did or did not do at a non-descript previous time (or weasel words to that effect).. was that he was doing everything in his power to not give the Yankees any ammunition that could be used to terminate his 7 year, $120 million contract.

If you *really want to be fair, realise that HGH is wide-open for abuse, and that the game between steroid designers and testing methods in baseball is every bit as real as the one going on in Tour de France cycle racing.

(as documented in "Game of Shadows") Greg Anderson, Bonds' trainer/BALCO link told an acquaintance who was wearing a wire in 2003 that: "The whole thing is, everything I've been doing, it's all undetectable. The stuff I have, we created it. You can't buy it anywhere else; you can't get it anywhere else. You can take [it] the day of [a drug test], pee, and it comes up clear."

So if Giambi wants to preface his own apology with a little more detail than "I was wrong for doing that stuff", I might cut him some slack, until then - he can go sit in the corner with Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmiero, and the rest.





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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.41
    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    So if Giambi wants to preface his own apology with a little more detail than "I was wrong for doing that stuff", I might cut him some slack, until then - he can go sit in the corner with Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmiero, and the rest.


So why exactly are you so concerned with steroid use? If it's because it's wrong and dangerous and you want people to stop, than you should be embracing Giambi's words. Instead, you seem to be anxious to use it to remind us all that you're a better human being than he is, and frankly, I don't think anyone really gives a shit.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
Still, it's kind of like the report that 3 NFL draft prospects had admitted to smoking marijuana. On the one hand, they do have to be respected for their honesty. On the other hand, aren't you kind of rewarding them for doing something illegal (and then telling the truth about it)? (Before anyone accuses me of being a hypocrite, I've never smoking anything, and I never drank alcohol when I was underage.)

Giambi's worthy of some respect, but not as much as the people who didn't use steroids. And we'll never know who those people are, because we have no reason to believe anyone.

I get the feeling he did it because he knows he doesn't have a chance of getting into Cooperstown. Bonds, meanwhile, needs to still pretend that he didn't do it (or at least didn't knowingly do it).
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I think most players do what they do in order to get big contracts. Most know they won't get into Cooperstown. Given the choice near the start of their careers, I'm sure 100% would choose some big fat paydays over Cooperstown. I don't have any proof, obviously, but when looking at how most players give more effort in their contract years as opposed to all the time, I'm tempted to make my own deduction.
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I'm awaiting an apology from the Sports Media. If Bonds would not have made a career out of telling them to fuck off, we'd most likely be asking MLB to apologize for making baseballs that are "wound too tight"

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by TheOldMan
      So if Giambi wants to preface his own apology with a little more detail than "I was wrong for doing that stuff", I might cut him some slack, until then - he can go sit in the corner with Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmiero, and the rest.


    So why exactly are you so concerned with steroid use? If it's because it's wrong and dangerous and you want people to stop, than you should be embracing Giambi's words. Instead, you seem to be anxious to use it to remind us all that you're a better human being than he is, and frankly, I don't think anyone really gives a shit.


Nice strawman.

Although since you asked, I did watch the Congressional Hearings featuring Mark "Speak no past evil" McGwire, Sammy "No hable evil" Sosa, and Rafael "Righteously deny evil" Palmiero. And I also saw the testimony from the father of Burt Hooton's nephew, and others who have paid a terrible price, so yes - I'm most definitely concerned.

Personally, my 'cost' in all this is merely the time investment over the last now-dubious decade or so that I've been watching my favorite sport, the one I've been following 40-some years. By comparison, I watched Floyd Landis' "heroic" effort to win the Tour de France, only to find him land in the middle of that sports' doping mess. Only with bicycle racing I don't have the lifelong passion, so washing my hands of that sport isn't hard at all for me.

Getting back to Giambi, I'd love to embrace him for doing the right thing, only he's not doing anything (imo) other than trying to downplay his own involvement by pushing the whole sport forward as guilty.


    "I was wrong for doing that stuff," Giambi told the newspaper Wednesday before the Yankees played the Chicago White Sox. "What we should have done a long time ago was stand up players, ownership, everybody and said: 'We made a mistake.'


The fact that he's right about the entire industry being responsible to various degrees doesn't mitigate his personal involvement, and to this day he's not talking specifically about what he's apologizing for. But if I may make a suggestion, I think he can get even cynics like me to applaud - all he needs to do is go and speak forthrightly for MLB's Mitchell investigation. I don't think there's anything baseball can punish him for regarding that usage he says is now in his past.

(And yes, realistically I know that there's no getting this genie back into the bottle - but sports needs to at least try and appear fair for the sake of public confidence in the games.)





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ESPN.com: Report: Yankees might try to void Giambi's deal


    Jason Giambi might lose his spot on the the Yankees' roster if it's determined he used performance-enhancing drugs, according to a published report.

    Citing unnamed sources, The New York Daily News reported Sunday that the Yankees will consider voiding Giambi's contract if it's determined he used steroids after they signed Giambi as a free agent in 2001.

    Major League Baseball intends to investigate reported remarks by Giambi that the sport should apologize for use of performance-enhancing drugs and the Yankees star's comment that he was "wrong for doing that stuff."


If the contract is voided, then Giambi has no one to blame but himself for bringing the spotlight on himself again. Had he kept his mouth shut, the Yankee brass would have left him alone.

On the other end, the Yanks are struggling to stay above .500 and would be insane to dump Giambi at this juncture. Taking the honorable road is nice and all, but does anyone honestly think Boston wouldn't scoop up Giambi if he's released?

(edited by It's False on 20.5.07 0857)



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*Raises hand*

They don't need two DH's, and the Sox are fine with Youk playing first. I could see the A's welcoming him back though.
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    Originally posted by It's False
    ESPN.com: Report: Yankees might try to void Giambi's deal


      Jason Giambi might lose his spot on the the Yankees' roster if it's determined he used performance-enhancing drugs, according to a published report.

      Citing unnamed sources, The New York Daily News reported Sunday that the Yankees will consider voiding Giambi's contract if it's determined he used steroids after they signed Giambi as a free agent in 2001.

      Major League Baseball intends to investigate reported remarks by Giambi that the sport should apologize for use of performance-enhancing drugs and the Yankees star's comment that he was "wrong for doing that stuff."


    If the contract is voided, then Giambi has no one to blame but himself for bringing the spotlight on himself again. Had he kept his mouth shut, the Yankee brass would have left him alone.

    On the other end, the Yanks are struggling to stay above .500 and would be insane to dump Giambi at this juncture. Taking the honorable road is nice and all, but does anyone honestly think Boston wouldn't scoop up Giambi if he's released?

    (edited by It's False on 20.5.07 0857)



No way the Players Association lets that happen. They will fight that to the death. Interesting though that the last time talk was out the Yanks would try to get out of his deal was in 2004 when he barely hit over .200 and missed half the season. Now it comes up again where he's currently on pace for a sub-20hr season and his OPS is in the low .800's. No talk of voiding his deal was mentioned in 05 and 06 where he hit 30+ HR's and his OPS was in the high .900's. I think it has less to do with "taking the honorable road" and more to do with paying him $20+M this year and he's not performing



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.89
    Originally posted by myself
    The fact that he(Giambi)'s right about the entire industry being responsible to various degrees doesn't mitigate his personal involvement, and to this day he's not talking specifically about what he's apologizing for. But if I may make a suggestion, I think he can get even cynics like me to applaud - all he needs to do is go and speak forthrightly for MLB's Mitchell investigation. I don't think there's anything baseball can punish him for regarding that usage he says is now in his past.


But then again I suppose I was foolish enough to think that baseball is actually interested in finding the truth. I'm reminded of a Three Stooges film - where the Sergeant asks for a volunteer, and the entire company takes a step back, leaving Curly standing all out front by himself to get sent out on a suicide mission.

Leaks almost as bad as the positive tests (msn.foxsports.com)

That Giambi's getting sandbagged is now a reasonable argument, and disgusting if it turns out that the league (or Yankee) office is smacking him down for making bad publicity. (Or for hitting .260)


    (From a different foxsports article)

    Hall of Famer Frank Robinson took issue with one of Giambi's comments to USA Today ... Robinson said Giambi should speak for himself.

    "If Jason wants to confess, then he should come out and say: 'I'm guilty. I apologize. I apologize to baseball. I apologize to all the fans that have supported me and supported baseball over the years. And I will clean up my act and promise you I will not do anything like this again,"' Robinson said. "He should not drag others into (it), because when he says baseball, that includes everybody in baseball."


While I don't doubt that F. Robbie didn't personally witness anyone injecting themselves, I find it hard to swallow that people that close to the game would have no idea of what may be going on - like he didn't have his suspicions that Gaylord Perry might have been putting something extra on the ball? Please.





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