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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
I agree....it's not like Boston and Chicago are exactly small markets or anything. Plus, the novelty of having these two long-suffering franchises against each other (where there's a guaranteed storybook ending) is more than enough to draw in casual baseball fans.



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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Please, I'm begging the other Red Sox fans on the board. Don't talk shit until we win the series (or, maybe, just maybe, 12 runs up with 2 outs in the 9th of a clincher. Nah, even then I'll still have Ken Ryan flashbacks). For the love of God, we have no right talking shit after 1 game.

    If I never see Gabe Kapler or Sauercrap in a game again, it'll be to soon.


I can't help but talk shit about the fucking Yankees. It's in the blood, I suppose. If they weren't such bitches, I wouldn't feel the need.

I don't hate Kapler, he's just sort of vanilla, and there's no way he can fill Johnny D.'s shoes, but fucking Scott fucking Sauerbeck needs to be playing in Pawtucket, or for the Devil Rays or something like that. He's an absolute waste, and I can't believe he's even on the ALCS roster. Use Embree. He's good. Sauerbeck is a distaster area of Mendoza-sized proportions. Get him the hell out of here.

I know we were already losing, but giving up two insurance runs is hardly the way to rally the troops. Why doesn't Arroyo ever get to play unless we're already fucked? I know he's young, but he looked like ten times the pitcher Sauerbeck is out there.



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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
GET READY TO JOB DON ZIMMER! BOOM! And he goes down to Pedro's beal. Does that constitute a beal? Some recapper needs to chime in here. And the CLUBBING FOREARMS of Zimmer! Where's Dean? We could have a workrate report of last night.

WHAT WORKED

Zimmer doing two full rotations on his way down the the grass.

WHAT DIDNT WORK

Jeff Nelson STOMPS THE GROUNDSKEEPER IN THE TEETH~!

A pale imitation, I know.



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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.26
I can't believe the obvious bias shown by the commentators in this one, even worse than usual. Calling Pedro's actions dispicable without checking to see if there was more to the situation, calling Zimmer "feisty" after saying that he started the incident with Pedro, saying that Manny was just "looking for a reason" to charge the mound, calling the grounskeeper an "idiot."

If Manny had not ducked, that fastball (which it was) would have come very close to hitting him in the head. Manny Ramirez is a very proud man, and you can't do that kind of headhunting and not expect a reaction. From the looks of Pedro's pitch to Karim Garcia combined with the situation (2nd and 3rd, 0 out, down by 1), it may have just slipped out of Pedro's hand. Players (even Pedro) are human, after all, and mistakes (like balls slipping out of hands or mistaking a solid wood shattered fragment of a baseball bat for a horsehide covered sphere) are bound to happen.

As it turns out, the groundskeeper was attacked by Nelson after waving his towel in celebration of the double play. He had cleat marks on his back. Boston police are considering charging both Nelson and Garcia with assault, and I hope they throw the book at them. And it was real nice to see that after John Henry makes the trip to New York, George Steinbrenner flew all the way down to Tampa to watch the game.

Now that that's done, Game 4 is a must win for the Red Sox. Don't be surprised to see the entire staff (sans Pedro and Wakefield) available for relief. The Sox absolutely must win this game or it's not even going 7.



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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.97
    Originally posted by gugs
    I can't believe the obvious bias shown by the commentators in this one, even worse than usual. Calling Pedro's actions dispicable without checking to see if there was more to the situation, calling Zimmer "feisty" after saying that he started the incident with Pedro, saying that Manny was just "looking for a reason" to charge the mound, calling the grounskeeper an "idiot."

    If Manny had not ducked, that fastball (which it was) would have come very close to hitting him in the head. Manny Ramirez is a very proud man, and you can't do that kind of headhunting and not expect a reaction. From the looks of Pedro's pitch to Karim Garcia combined with the situation (2nd and 3rd, 0 out, down by 1), it may have just slipped out of Pedro's hand. Players (even Pedro) are human, after all, and mistakes (like balls slipping out of hands or mistaking a solid wood shattered fragment of a baseball bat for a horsehide covered sphere) are bound to happen.

    As it turns out, the groundskeeper was attacked by Nelson after waving his towel in celebration of the double play. He had cleat marks on his back. Boston police are considering charging both Nelson and Garcia with assault, and I hope they throw the book at them. And it was real nice to see that after John Henry makes the trip to New York, George Steinbrenner flew all the way down to Tampa to watch the game.

    Now that that's done, Game 4 is a must win for the Red Sox. Don't be surprised to see the entire staff (sans Pedro and Wakefield) available for relief. The Sox absolutely must win this game or it's not even going 7.


You must be kidding, right? Pedro gives up a hit that puts the Yankees up, then the next batter gets one in the back, near the head, but that MIGHT have been an accident. Clemens throws one, head high, but OVER THE PLATE and it would have "COME CLOSE" to hiting Manny? Bitch please! that pitch had about as much of a chance of hitting me here in st louis as it did Manny.
As far as the groundskeeper, I have no idea, all I saw was the beatdown. Seeing how most Boston fans seem to act, it wouldnt be suprising if it was "warrented".
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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.26
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Clemens throws one, head high, but OVER THE PLATE and it would have "COME CLOSE" to hiting Manny? Bitch please! that pitch had about as much of a chance of hitting me here in st louis as it did Manny.


Look at the video. Right before Manny ducks, put a piece of tape or something right where his head is. Then see where the pitch ends up. You don't have to hit someone to throw at them; Shawn Estes proved that a long time ago.

(edited by gugs on 12.10.03 0602)


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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.90
Sorry Gugs, gotta go with Lee on this one. It was high but at the center of the plate. The only one that looked like might be at risk in getting one off the noggin was the home-plate umpire... If Manny had to get out of the way (which I'm certain he didn't) it must have been leaning over the plate.

To take a play on Palp who took a play on Dean. WHAT DIDN'T WORK ~ Manny trying to get Roger thrown out of the game by starting a brew-ha-ha... Which is a total gutless Chicken S thing to do.

The more I see the RedSox I think it's less to do with the Babe Jinx and more of deserved bad karma.

Oh and plus Affleck and J-Lo sitting in the corner with their own monitor is just bad!



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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Manny overreacted. Pedro was defending himself, but the guy is 72 effing years old, so I don't necessarily know that he had to plant his head in the turf.

Nomar is killing us right now. Just killing us.

And now, John Burkett. I'm just gonna crawl back in my hole and peek out around 8:30 tonight.



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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.22
You gotta love the rule that makes the umpires warn BOTH teams when only one team got beaned.

Imagine, Brock Lesner just hit Kurt Angle with a steel chair. Then the ref warns BOTH wrestlers that the NEXT guy to use a chair gets DQd. How fair is that? It rewards the preemptive first strike.

The best situation to bean the other guy is if first base is open and you were going to intentionally walk him anyway. You have nothing to lose. Clemens should have hit Manny in the first inning to draw out the warning and all this would have been avoided.

The only way the Yankees can retaliate now is if it is during a blowout.

Zimmer reminded me of Mick in Rocky 3. Pedro was protected by the DH, he was right behind the fat Ortiz during the scuffle.

The Boston groundskeeper shouldn't have been in the Yankee bullpen taunting the players. Unless Nelson went into the stands and pulled the guy in, I don't see how he's at fault. The Yankees should bring in their own security guards if Boston police won't do their jobs.


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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.26
    Originally posted by skorpio17
    The Yankees should bring in their own security guards if Boston police won't do their jobs.





I'm still happy to report that Boston police are, in fact, doing their jobs by charging 2 professional athletes for attacking a special needs teacher simply because said teacher was celebrating a success by the opposing team. And, while we're talking about groundscrew not needed in the visiting bullpen, how fair would it be to keep the mound at different heights? You get loose in the bullpen and comfortable with that mound, then you come in and the mound on the field is different. You give up two or three big hits and you're gone. It just isn't fair.

From what I saw of the scuffle, Pedro was alone on the field, Zimmer charged and swung, Pedro dodged and held Zimmer's head to prevent Zimmer from a counter attack. Zimmer's momentum, possibly combined with a push from Pedro, propelled him to the ground. As the commentators went batshit about Pedro being evil, the Yankees charged Martinez and several Sox including David Ortiz stood between their ace and the throng of angry rivals. I certainly hope this doesn't go to a Game 7 because I have no doubt that some idiot (or a group of them) will try to go right for Pedro. Steinbrenner might even have nickel beer night or bat day. I still say Sox in 6.



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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.70
Now THAT'S Red Sox/Yankees baseball. Zimmer, you're an idiot. Might wanna check your driver's license and re-affirm that you're 72 FREAKIN' YEARS OLD before going after a professional athlete.

Now I know why my Boston-born roommate has such high blood pressure. Geez, watching the Red Sox in the playoffs is a roller-coaster ride from hell...kinda like the 30 years of losing us Packer fans suffered, but compacted into 1 month. Thank God for whiskey, or I dunno how I'd cope.

But the bit about 2 Yankees stomping the back of a Fenway Park groundskeeper, and sending him to the hospital with cleat wounds, is just disturbing. Let's hope justice prevails there, as opposed to the brand of "justice" athletes usually get (see Irvin, Michael.)

BoSox in 6? I'll bite! Let's Go Red Sox!



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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.20
Lost in all of this is the fact that Clemens absolutely outpitched Martinez. Like it or not, the old guy showed how it's done.

MLB should be embarassed for the way they handled this. Ejections should have been handed out. This isn't the NHL.

I'll be near Pesky's Pole tonight. After last night, I may have to wear body armor in the stands. I'll be pissed if they shut down beer sales in the 4th again.



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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
From what I understand, they canned beer sales to prevent massive storming of the field after what went down. As long as there aren't any beanball wars, I don't think that'll happen again tonight.

I was going to wait out the groundskeeper incident until I heard more about it - but cleat wounds? That's just sick and wrong, whether or not he started it. The bullpen is full of professional athletes (or I'd like to think) that should know better than to take a cleat to an employee of another team. Of course, maybe that's just me being naive.





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#74 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.45
    Originally posted by gugs
    Calling Pedro's actions dispicable without checking to see if there was more to the situation

    As it turns out, the groundskeeper was attacked by Nelson after waving his towel in celebration of the double play. He had cleat marks on his back. Boston police are considering charging both Nelson and Garcia with assault, and I hope they throw the book at them.


Wow, speaking of bias and hypocrisy. Why don't you check out the Yankees claim that the groundskeeper tried to throw a punch at Nelson? Unless you have proof to the contrary (which, of course you DON'T), maybe you should try heeding your own advice. Using the logic Boston fans used on the Oakland fan who got into a verbal argument with Jackson in Game 5 of last series, I think that groundskeeper should have had the shit pounded out of him whether he threw a punch or not. Of course, I don't really believe that- just wanted to show Sox fans what a bunch of hypocrites they are.
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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.33
As always, it amazes me that Tim McCarver is able to call a major league baseball game while located directly behind Joe Torre's colon.
Onto the incidents:
First, back to the Jeter/Soriano hittings in July: Soriano wasn't a hit by pitch. It was ruled a strike. Soriano struck out in the at bat. Of course, that doesn't fit into the revisionist history story that Tim McCarver has in the notes he fits behind Joe Torre's colon.
Did Pedro throw at Garcia. Yes. But, I still think the ball hit the bat. If it had hit Garcia, wouldn't he have grabbed at the shoulder after being hit by a fastball?
Funny how they didn't remember the comments Clemens made in July about throwing at Red Sox hitters. Torre's colon must have kept McCarver from seeing that note.
Manny did overreact. I'm still in a state of shock though that Manny showed any emotions. That might be bad, because when he is the idiot savante who only hits, he can hit. When he thinks, I get concerned.
Don Zimmer getting tossed to the ground is my X-Mas card for the year. That was cathartic to see the gerbil get tossed to the ground. If only someone had done that to him 25 years and 9 days earlier, I might be a happy person.
Groundskeeper shouldn't have taunted in the Yankees bullpen. Common sense has to kick in at some point.
The Run No-Arm out of Town Campaign might pick up steam soon. Since the second game of the August 8th day-night doubleheader against Baltimore, he has knocked in less than 20 runs. That's over two months.



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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
I heartily agree with Red Sox nation. Get McCarver off of Yankees games....in fact, get McCarver off of FOX entirely, along with Juice-Monkey Boone, Joe "Shane McMahon" Buck, T(h)om Brennahan, Psycho Lyons and the Leiter-cam. Is it so hard for FOX to hire at least one competant announcer for these playoffs? Is Jon Miller available?

I also doubt that Pedro's pitch to Garcia was intentional, considering the situation. With none out and men on 2nd and 3rd, why in the world would Pedro want to load the bases?

For Roger Clemens (OF ALL PEOPLE) to complain about someone else's headhunting is as laughably hypocritical as Deion Sanders taking an NFL player to task for celebrating after a TD.



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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
Although I'm from NY, I'm far from a Yankee fan. I was raised a Met fan by people who were raised Dodger fans, thus instilling a healthy hatred of everything Yankee in me from an early age. That being said, I think that Pedro did in fact throw at Garcia. What I'm not sure of is whether or not Pedro meant to hit him. Maybe he was looking to put the fear of God in him by throwing behind his head, and just barely missed, hitting Garcia's bat. I also think that him hitting Garcia, intentional or not, was a brilliant move. The crowd was amped as fuck in the first inning then died down progressively until they were sitting on their hands by the fourth. Pedro goes out there, gives up some hits and there's a base open. Hit a batter, send a message, get the crowd back to their boiling point and recharge the Sox. Unfortunately, it didn't happen that way. Manny overreacted to a high fastball that was directly over the plate. The show of emotion was nice. What would have been nicer is if he had hit a homerun instead of striking out. Combining Manny's whiff with Pedro's trouncing of a dinosaur killed any excitement that the crowd had. Don't get me wrong, Pedro was justified in what he did to Zimmer. That old bastard should have at least been wearing his war helmet when he charged Pedro. I don't know what he was thinking or what physical damage he thought he could do to Martinez. I've never laughed so hard in my life. I honestly was hoping that Zimmer had a heart attack and died on Fenway grass. But alas, the Yankee mascot is still wheezing and gimping.



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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    The Run No-Arm out of Town Campaign might pick up steam soon. Since the second game of the August 8th day-night doubleheader against Baltimore, he has knocked in less than 20 runs. That's over two months.


You're a fellow Sox fan, so I hate to do it, but I call bullshit. Nomar may be in a hitting slump, but so are Kevin Millar and (AL batting champ) Bill Mueller. Nomar is still making nasty catches and getting bastards out in clutch plays, which is more than I can say for his Yankee counterpart, Derek fucking Jeter (who decided he was good, anyway?). Nomar throws like Thor when shit needs to happen. Just because his hitting is sucking it up lately doesn't mean we have to crucify him. We've been neutralizing big hitters on the teams we've faced in this postseason, so it can't be that surprising that they've neutralizd some of ours. I say lay off of the guy and shoot your vitriol at worthless fucks like Sauerbeck instead of two-time AL batting champs with some nasty postseason stats.

However, I am bombed right now, so I disavow any opinions I've made here come morning.

Fuck the Yankees.



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#79 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.21
    Originally posted by Jakegnosis
    However, I am bombed right now...

Yeah, me too. My take as a Yank fan on things. Pedro taunted the bench, for whatever reason, but it's the playoffs, it's a rivalry, blah blah woof woof. He should be fined for that. Clemons (I still don't like him) did not throw at Manny and the boy went crazygonuts (credit:Excalibur). Pedro has the right to defend himself hence Zimmer taking a face plant in the turf. No, I wasn't happy, but it happened. As for the bullpen incident, we all know Nelson is a prick so it doesn't surprise me that he was involved in something shady. I haven't heard anything concrete about what happened so I guess I'll wait and see. Still, anyone who expected anything less than crazygonuts is ignorant. These guys, no matter how impartial their little post game interviews are, hate each other. These two teams, it's good baseball. It's unpredictable baseball. But, I expected nothing less then some sort of bench clearing brawl to take place at some point.

However, no one brings up the umps in this. How can they say that they decided NOT to throw anyone out of the game because they didn't want to decide the outcome? What kind of shit is that? Is it not the players that decide by their actions if they get thrown out or not? Do the players have no accountability for their actions (Pedro and Karim)? I never agree with the warning both sides shit because the other team doesn't get the chance to retaliate. And you can bet your baseball loving asses that if Clemons gets to pitch again he'll be beaning someone in the front 2-3.

With that said, I can't wait for the games to come back to NY. It will be fun, it will be lively, it will be crazygonuts. And the Yanks will win.

And then, and only then, will I turn my nose at sucking on some red and blue technology and demand some pinstripe poontang sucking instead.



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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.26
    Originally posted by Tomboy
    And you can bet your baseball loving asses that if Clemens gets to pitch again he'll be beaning someone in the front 2-3.


I agree. Nomar and Manny especially had better watch out. Nomar because Yankee fans hate him (I think) almost as much as Red Sox fans hate Derek Jeter, and Manny because Clemens is a no-good, grudge holding bastard. So am I, but I'm not whipping near rock-hard spheres at speeds in excess of 95 MPH directly at someone's skull, or tossing bat heads at runners.


    Originally posted by Tomboy again
    With that said, I can't wait for the games to come back to NY. It will be fun, it will be lively, it will be crazygonuts. And the Yanks will win.


1. Same here.
2. Right.
3. Right.
4. Right.
5. Wrong. The Red Sox will win the next (and last) three games of this series. I think we're in for some of the greatest pitching duels of all time, folks.


    Originally posted by Tomboy one last time
    And then, and only then, will I turn my nose at sucking on some red and blue technology and demand some pinstripe poontang sucking instead.


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Every episode has the potential to be the best one ever, and I'll be damned if I'm going to miss it after sitting through this shit.
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