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    Germany might deploy troops in Iraq if conditions there change, Peter Struck, the German defence minister, indicated on Tuesday in a gesture that appears to provide backing for John Kerry, the US Democratic presidential challenger.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/0b76459e-1c80-11d9-8d72-00000e2511c8.html

Seems about right for them to be offering up this hypothetical deployment just in time to get it in the press before the election.


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It's not going to happen. The war is too unpopular regardless of the President...



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Then again, maybe Germany won't decide to send troops. I can't beleive that changing the prez will make any difference to them.
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Its quite possible that Germany will send troops. If we are willing to relinquish some control over the operations there and if we are willing to let German companies have a piece of the lucrative rebuilding pie, I bet we can get them to send a few thousand men. The French too. Money talks.



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Doesn't seem that way.

From http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=6492174:


    Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder on Wednesday ruled out sending German troops to Iraq after his defense minister said a deployment could be possible in the future.

    Defense Minister Peter Struck had said on Wednesday that Germany, which staunchly opposed the U.S.-led war to oust Saddam Hussein, could eventually send troops to Iraq, although he ruled out any such move for now.

    But Schroeder was quick to restate Germany’s position after the remarks, made by Struck in a newspaper interview and in a briefing to reporters at a NATO summit in Romania.

    “The position of Germany will not change. We will not send soldiers to Iraq,” Schroeder said at a news conference in Rome, after meeting Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.
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    Originally posted by rockdotcom_2.0
    If we are willing to relinquish some control over the operations there and if we are willing to let German companies have a piece of the lucrative rebuilding pie, I bet we can get them to send a few thousand men. The French too. Money talks.
I know, that's why they were so deep in bed with Saddam Hussein...



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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by rockdotcom_2.0
      If we are willing to relinquish some control over the operations there and if we are willing to let German companies have a piece of the lucrative rebuilding pie, I bet we can get them to send a few thousand men. The French too. Money talks.
    I know, that's why they were so deep in bed with Saddam Hussein...


Exactly, so lets take a page out of Saddam's playbook and wave some money under their noses to get what we want. All I want is a peaceful Iraq and at this point I dont care how we get there. If it means bribing a few people then get out the checkbook.





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You don't think that sets a dangerous precident?

If we pay them now, we will have to pay them EVERY TIME we need their help with something. And frankly, I don't think we do this time.

What, are they going to send a few hundred troops? What is that going to do?

The answer is not more foriegn troops right now - the answer is to get Iraqis involved in their own country's security. We are doing this now. Isn't the goal to make them self-sufficient so that we can leave? Why then would we want to bring more countries in?

I don't WANT Germany helping us. I don't want France helping us there either. People always talk about how we need to do what we can to make sure that they like us, but they do nothing to make sure we like them. They aren't acting like allies, and BEGGING them to help us with anything is a huge mistake.



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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    You don't think that sets a dangerous precident?

    If we pay them now, we will have to pay them EVERY TIME we need their help with something. And frankly, I don't think we do this time.


Well I was semi kidding with the bribery thing. But I dont think offering French and German companies a chance to make some money in Iraq is a bad idea. A free, peaceful Iraq pumping out oil helps everyone. Especially the Europeans because they are more dependent on Middle Eastern oil than we are. If the German and French people are so against sending troops into Iraq, it would be easier to change their inds if their economy could gain from it.



    What, are they going to send a few hundred troops? What is that going to do?


Well I would hope they would send a few thousand, but a few hundred Special Operations troops would be valuable in helping to root out the insurgency. The French and the Germans both have excellent special ops soldiers. Anythting would help at this point.



    The answer is not more foriegn troops right now - the answer is to get Iraqis involved in their own country's security. We are doing this now. Isn't the goal to make them self-sufficient so that we can leave? Why then would we want to bring more countries in?


Thats your opinion but I have doubts on the Iraqi security forces we have trained, I have doubts that they can really fight the insurgency. I think it should be our job as the coalition to completely crush the insurgency, before we hand over the country to the Iraqis. And I think we need more troops on the ground to do it. I think if we rush to give the country to the Iraqis while their is still a major insurgency problem, it will lead to disaster. Namely civil war.




    I don't WANT Germany helping us. I don't want France helping us there either. People always talk about how we need to do what we can to make sure that they like us, but they do nothing to make sure we like them. They aren't acting like allies, and BEGGING them to help us with anything is a huge mistake.


I dont care if they like us, but for our part, we insulted them a great deal in the last few years on this Iraq thing after they were clearly with us on Afghanistan. I think we should attempt to make amends for that. Iraq shouldnt be about our Egos. We need to get it right. We should do whatever it takes, I think we owe the Iraqi people more than our stupid squabbling with France and Germany.



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You do make a few good points. The oil one in particular. Not only is that good for the world, it is good for Iraq. Money means stability - and that is something they need in abundance. People are less willing to rabble rouse when their bellies are full.

I do have to disagree with you on the world's role in crushing the insurgency. I think we need to work on that now as we were the ones to invaded, but in the end, the only way it WILL end is if Iraq is in control of their own nation. We cannot do what it takes to really crush the insurgents - we don't have the political will, and neither does the rest of the world. The only answer is to strengthen the Iraqi government to a point where it can do that themselves. We clearly disagree on that point, but that is fine - why we are discussing it!

On Germany and France though - I couldn't disagree more. Here are 2 countries who took bribes from Iraq. They, and the rest of the UN, were up to their necks in corrupt oil-for-food money. France openly declared that regardless of the arguments we presented, or the amount of time we waited, that they would oppose and veto any effort to go to war.

You say that we insulted them, I say they insulted us. They did not act like allies towards us, not even in the early days when we were discussing the possibility of force in Iraq. They acted like opponents - like spoiled brats angry that we were not letting them make the decisions for us.

I say that they need to make that up to US. I am not saying we cut them off - I am just saying that we can't trust them anymore. Sure, we can trade with them, and maintain a civil relationship, but I wouldn't dream of giving them the trust that an ally like Britain deserves.

And I sure as hell wouldn't even think of asking them to help us out in Iraq...



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