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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
Wow, this really...fell apart at the end. There were two really good matches, another pretty good one, a few okay ones, and then the last two just sucked. Oh man.

LAX & Eric Young vs. Sonjay Dutt, Jimmy Rave, & Kiyoshi: Elimination! Eric Young was eliminated first -- again, to my surprise -- and then Homicide. But then Hernandez DESTROYED all three heels in short order. This is one of the okay matches.

Chris Sabin vs. Alex Shelley: Shelley wins the X Division championship in a really good match with a surprise rollup after faking an ankle injury. Normally this would honk me off but here I found it hilarious and really fitting -- Shelley is such a prick that he'll even cheat his own partner! Ha ha ha! He hugs Sabin afterward, but Sabin seems a little ambivalent. Hopefully they don't break up.

Shane Sewell vs. Abdul Bashir: Eh, it was okay. Shane Sewell was fine, I guess, but he didn't do anything new or interesting; it was all clothesline, back body drop, crossbody -- real basic stuff. Sewell wins with a sunset flip after Bashir chased Earl Hebner around in circles.

Lethal Consequences vs. Beer Money vs. Abyss & Morgan: This is the one I call "pretty good" up above; I enjoyed it. There were some cool moves I hadn't seen before -- Beer Money hit this aw some double team move -- they had Creed up on their shoulders and horizontal, and then Robert Roode whipped Consequences Creed's legs around and James Storm hit kind of a Rock Bottom -- cool! Also Abyss chokeslammed Jay Lethal onto his (Abyss's) knee -- brutal. Beer Money regained the belts (!) with Roode pinning Morgan after an accidental belt shot from Abyss -- oops! Abyss and Morgan argue about this after the match -- my prediction of their split is one of the few I may get right tonight.

The Kongtourage vs. ODB, Roxxi, and Taylor Wilde: Christy Hemme is out with neck problems and apparently Awesome Kong has also hurt her back, so we get this instead -- whoever gets the pin gets a title shot. ODB wins with a rollup on Raisha (who has SWANK ring gear). For a last minute replacement, I appreciated the feeling of continuity -- the six lumberjacks having the match instead, I mean -- it felt like it made sense. Match itself was just okay. Sort of incoherent.

Jeff Jarrett vs. Kurt Angle: This was pretty great. Scariest spot of the night was when JJ made a suicide dive, but his foot caught a little and he kinda went down face-first. Angle took advantage and hit him in the face with the ring bell and there was a very audible KLONK. And THEN Angle Angle Slammed Jarrett of the stage and through a table. This whole sequence was kinda heart-stopping.

Both are bloody and beaten-down when Kurt finally reverses a pin attempt and gets the three -- and then smashes Jarrett's ankle with a steel chair. Jarrett gets stretchered out. Match of the night, I think, although the X match is right up there.

Sting vs. Rhino: Rhino was supposedly beaten up before the PPV and is bandaged here. This was short and yet still too long. Boring. Sting wins with the Scorpion Death Drop.

Oh, so Kevin Nash is also out with a Staph infection -- I assume it's legit, but how many PPV matches has he not shown up for? Anyway, the Main Event Mafia has to find a new partner tonight, and since we've known about this since the start of the PPV, my brother and I had tossed some names around for the last 2 1/2 hours...would it be Scott Hall? Al Snow? X-Pac? Brock Lesnar? The Maestro? Hey, this PPV is in Charlotte, North Carolina...could it be Ric Flair?

Nope, it's Cute Kip.

Yeah.

Main Event Mafia (Scott Steiner, Booker T, and Cute Kip) vs. The Frontline (AJ Styles, Brother Devon, and Mick Foley): Before the match started, Kip cut a promo insulting the local sports team, I assume to keep the crowd from rooting for him. Really? Were they really concerned that the crowd would be SO EXCITED by this SURPRISE APPEARANCE that they would just go CRAZY-GO-NUTS for Cute Kip?

Anyway, this was a TOTAL MESS and STUPID to boot. AJ Styles hit a nice frog splash from the top rope to the outside, putting Kip through a table (I assume Nash wouldn't have gone for that anyway) but that was the only thing worth noting. Mick Foley won after defeating BOTH Booker T and Scott Steiner, DDTing Scott onto a chair for the pin.

So the Frontline can only win against the MEM if they get a middle-aged authority figure who willingly admits that he's old and not as good as he used to be on their side. Awful. This angle has swung really, really far away from the "Young Lions" focus it had at the beginning and I dunno if they can swing it back again -- assuming they even care to.

This PPV would have come off a whole lot better if they had switched the order of this match and the Angle/Jarrett match.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.32
It's the first PPV of the year and, already, this looks like a sure contender for Worst PPV of the Year. I can't believe they seriously trotted out Billy Gunn to main event in 2009. Looking even further into that, why the hell are Billy Gunn, Scott Steiner, and D-Von Dudley main eventing ANYTHING resembling a PPV in 2009? What the hell were they thinking?

The Angle/Jarrett match was surprisingly solid, until the finish. Honestly, they threw everything but the kitchen sink at one another and they finish it with a REVERSAL SEQUENCE? There's time for technical wrestling and that wasn't it.

Nice of them to build up for the entire show that Rhino was beaten up in a hotel room, only to have him show up (bandages and all) in time for the main event...only to get booed out of the building. Someone needs to get it through their thick heads that Sting is NOT a good heel.

The no-shows and injuries decimated this show more than the awful booking. No Samoa Joe, Brother Ray, Kevin Nash, Awesome Kong, etc. etc.

There's a silver lining somewhere. There's still plenty of young talent that can be entertaining, but we've been saying that about TNA for years. It's the same old story.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.90
It's funny how a PPV with two potential early MOTY candidates winds up being fairly disappointing. The match placement was questionable (Sting/Rhyno after Jarrett/Angle?), and the endings of most matches sucked. The booking wasn't the best, either. The addition of Cute Kip in the main event was all that is wrong with TNA balled up in one decision.

With that out of the way, when the PPV was good, it was amazing. Shelley/Sabin and Jarrett/Angle were awesome. I know a lot of people bitched about the ending to the X-Title match, but I agree with Karlos. I just hope they don't break up the team. While the 3-way tag was nice, Lethal Consequences totally got shafted with the 3-day reign. They did a great job of putting over Hernandez in the X-Division Elimination match.

Silly booking and storyline implications aside, TNA did what they should be doing a lot more - put the focus on their performers' in-ring abilities. Other than the Knockouts match and the final two matches, all other matches were decent-to-good, which means their performers came through in 5 out of 8 matches. Let's give this PPV 4.5/10 for the two great matches.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.90
the match order of this show is just nuts, why wasn't Jerrett / Angle the main event? Not only did they nedd a
middle-aged ex world champion to win but the match had to be restarted and turned into a Hardcore match for that to happen.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.37
I'm just glad that we have a new punchline for "mystery partner". Savio, it was a good run, but it's time to step aside.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
    Originally posted by It's False
    It's the first PPV of the year and, already, this looks like a sure contender for Worst PPV of the Year. I can't believe they seriously trotted out Billy Gunn to main event in 2009. Looking even further into that, why the hell are Billy Gunn, Scott Steiner, and D-Von Dudley main eventing ANYTHING resembling a PPV in 2009? What the hell were they thinking?



I don't know, it definitly had its issues, but a couple stellar matches can make a total shit PPV decent. Also, they have 11 more PPVs this year so they could easily do worse.

The six-man was decent, tag was decent, Angle/Jarrett good to great and the X-title match was superb. Last two were complete shit. Who the hell expected Rhino to win, and who would be excited about that prospect?

Cute Kip? CUTE KIP!? Fuck you, TNA. At least if you're going to put him in the match let him take the pin. From Styles, not old washed up guy.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal

    Jarrett gets stretchered out.


Let me be clear upfront: I do NOT wish any wrestler an injury. I hope JJ is OK.

But Angle destroying Jarrett is precisely what should happen.

Guitar-swinging Flair wannabee vs. sadistic mat wrestler = Kurt uber alles.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.40
I'm just happy Shelley finally won the X-Division title. Even if the X title's prestige has gone down for the past year or so. Just like any other MCMG fan I hope they don't divide them cause of the title.

Hernandez grew back the Yosemite Sam moustache over the winter break and came back to kill people. I think he would fit in the main event nicely if they decide to pull the trigger on his push. He makes me think of a latino Mike Awesome.

Speaking of pulling the trigger, will TNA management get it through their heads that ODB is over with the fans? She won last night so maybe this time she'll get the title run now that Gail's gone. Hemme being injured isn't cool.....neither is promoting a title run to a girl who has been in wrestling for 4 years who just learned to wrestle a few months ago.


.......you know what? I only cared for the X division match. Shelley and Sabin was so good that it totally killed my interest in the rest of the PPV. Boring ass Sting vs. Boring ass "injured" Rhyno, Cute Kip in the main? I was so bored I put the PPV on mute and just gave my self a haircut.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by MUTigermask
    Cute Kip? CUTE KIP!? Fuck you, TNA. At least if you're going to put him in the match let him take the pin. From Styles, not old washed up guy.
Yeah, exactly! If you're going to be bringing in a guy who's basically a valet these days and probably (hopefully) won't remain in the MEM for any length of time, why not have him take the pin, even if it's from Foley? That way the MEM retains their bragging rights by saying that none of the "real" members got pinned.

But Nash is having surgery, apparently, and it sounds nasty, so who knows when he'll be back or if he'll even come back in a wrestling capacity, so who knows -- Kip may be a permanent addition.

Looking at the roster, I'm not sure where else TNA had to turn other than Kip -- it would be a big disappointment either way, but I think they could have deflected a lot of criticism by simply announcing his addition early in the show, rather than turning it into an "OMG WHO WILL IT BE" thing.

So I'm tempted to say that Kip was in fact the best choice they could have made right that very second, but a better choice might have been not trusting Nash to show up to a PPV match in the first place -- of course, Nash didn't go out at get a staph infection and blood poisoning on purpose, but his attendence record isn't so great.

    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Let me be clear upfront: I do NOT wish any wrestler an injury. I hope JJ is OK.
Wrestling Observer says both JJ and Angle are fine. (!)

    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    Hernandez grew back the Yosemite Sam moustache over the winter break and came back to kill people. I think he would fit in the main event nicely if they decide to pull the trigger on his push.
Sting is apparently having knee problems -- one of the reasons his match was so short. It'd be interesting if they got the title off of him via Hernandez's FoF briefcase. Hell, why not? What could it hurt? It might throw a monkeywrench into the MEM/Frontline story, but it would be interesting -- for one thing, LAX hasn't really been active in that angle, so it's not even an automatic victory for the Frontline -- both sides can court LAX to join their side.

    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    Speaking of pulling the trigger, will TNA management get it through their heads that ODB is over with the fans? She won last night so maybe this time she'll get the title run now that Gail's gone.
I agree with you here as well, for many of the same reasons -- why not? Kong's nursing a bad back, ODB is right there, the crowd loves her -- try it out -- it can't hurt.

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    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
    Looking at the roster, I'm not sure where else TNA had to turn other than Kip -- it would be a big disappointment either way, but I think they could have deflected a lot of criticism by simply announcing his addition early in the show, rather than turning it into an "OMG WHO WILL IT BE" thing.

    So I'm tempted to say that Kip was in fact the best choice they could have made right that very second, but a better choice might have been not trusting Nash to show up to a PPV match in the first place -- of course, Nash didn't go out at get a staph infection and blood poisoning on purpose, but his attendence record isn't so great.


Pretty much what I was going to say. In TNA's defense, on such short notice, who else could they get? Sting and Angle were spoken for already, there's no one else left in the Main Event Mafia to plug in, and they probably couldn't call up anyone who'd be able to show up in NC that soon (sit down, Ric Flair!) so Kip was probably the best in-house option. Sounds like they could've handled it better, but did Kip completely shame himself out there?



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.37
    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
      Originally posted by MUTigermask
      Cute Kip? CUTE KIP!? Fuck you, TNA. At least if you're going to put him in the match let him take the pin. From Styles, not old washed up guy.
    Yeah, exactly! If you're going to be bringing in a guy who's basically a valet these days and probably (hopefully) won't remain in the MEM for any length of time, why not have him take the pin, even if it's from Foley? That way the MEM retains their bragging rights by saying that none of the "real" members got pinned.


Cute Kip could NOT eat the pin. Otherwise, the main event of the PPV would have been completely meaningless. This was meant to be a chance for the Frontline to get a big W, and that does not happen if the substitute gets pinned.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.54
I didn't think this PPV was that disappointing. Everybody was saying the last three matches would suck and only the last two did.

I would've liked to see a younger guy take Kip's place. I know the group is a bunch of older established guys but there is nothing wrong with having one younger guy in the group as their choice of the future of TNA or something like that. If Abyss and Matt Morgan are breaking up then make it Morgan. Or if MCMG is breaking up (and I hope they aren't) then make it Shelley. Or heck, bring back Daniels and have him surprise everybody by joining the Mafia instead of the Frontline. Yeah, Daniels was never a WWE guy, but he's not exactly a young guy either. They certainly could use somebody that can work like one of the X Division guys.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.33
    Originally posted by hansen9j
    Cute Kip could NOT eat the pin. Otherwise, the main event of the PPV would have been completely meaningless. This was meant to be a chance for the Frontline to get a big W, and that does not happen if the substitute gets pinned.
Just having Cute Kip there made the main event meaningless. Even if he didn't get pinned, the heel team's big loss only came after replacing a top star and former world champion with a comedy jobber they'd had no previous association with. Given the options, I think they best thing they could have done was make it Steiner and Booker against AJ and Foley in a tag.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.18
    Originally posted by KJames199
    Given the options, I think they best thing they could have done was make it Steiner and Booker against AJ and Foley in a tag.


I agree. Bringing back Al Snow to actually pay that off would've been ideal (as ideal as Al Snow as a member of MEM, playing off ten year old WWF feuds, etc. gets) but I'm guessing they would've had to make all those arrangements same day which sounds difficult. Failing that I would've had Sting or Angle work twice, but Angle wasn't working twice after that match and Sting couldn't work twice if he was "hurtin'."

    Originally posted by hansen9j
    Cute Kip could NOT eat the pin. Otherwise, the main event of the PPV would have been completely meaningless.


I agree, too, though, that Kip doing the job only makes it more of a ripoff. It's the opposite psychology of putting a babyface replacement over -- if you bring in a weak heel and he takes the pin, it ups the bullshit factor because it makes it seem like he was added so none of the real guys would have to do a job.

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Everybody was saying the last three matches would suck and only the last two did.


Why would people say Angle/Jarrett would suck when the first one was good?

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.63
    Originally posted by KJames199
      Originally posted by hansen9j
      Cute Kip could NOT eat the pin. Otherwise, the main event of the PPV would have been completely meaningless. This was meant to be a chance for the Frontline to get a big W, and that does not happen if the substitute gets pinned.
    Just having Cute Kip there made the main event meaningless. Even if he didn't get pinned, the heel team's big loss only came after replacing a top star and former world champion with a comedy jobber they'd had no previous association with. Given the options, I think they best thing they could have done was make it Steiner and Booker against AJ and Foley in a tag.

How hard would it have been to have the MEM attack Devon in the locker room before the match started to make it 2 on 2? Does Devon really have that much stroke that he gets to be in the main event no matter what? I didn't see the PPV, but it seems if they had just not picked Kip, or done a 2 on 3 tag, this PPV would be getting rave/very good reviews. Just another example of how TNA is always so close to being a legit company, but then does something retarded like this. One step up, two steps back.




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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.28

You know, in theory, Kute Kip has the "credentials" to be in the MEM, having won all those tag titles.

Of course, I wouldn't actually want to see him in the ring either.

I was expecting Joe to finally turn and be the mystery man.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.37
    Originally posted by odessasteps
    You know, in theory, Kute Kip has the "credentials" to be in the MEM, having won all those tag titles.


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