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My favorite thing in this episode was Joffrey planning to ride out to meet Stannis when he arrives and give him a red smile from ear to ear. Joffrey wants to turn Stannis into the Joker. I'll say one thing for King Joffrey, the kid has swagger.

The other best stuff was the interplay between Tyrion and Bronn and Tyrion and Varys. Those guys are the cleverest cats in King's Landing. Bronn's awesome strategy for defending the castle: throw Tyrion's books at Stannis. And Bronn went ahead and killed all the known thieves to safeguard the food supply when the castle is seiged. Meanwhile, Varys informs Tyrion that Daenerys Targaryen lives and has three dragons (answering a question from last week's thread). Varys gives Tyrion the attaboy that he's a better Hand than Jon Arryn and Ned Stark because he knows how to play the game.

Cercei is not quite as good at playing the game of squeeze Tyrion by the balls by kidnapping his whore. Great reveal that Cercei has Roz hostage and not Shae. Wrong whore. A total invention of the show since Roz doesn't exist in the book.

There hasn't been nearly enough Davos this season for me considering how prominent he is in the books and what a great character he is, but the little bits we do get of him are great. We learn the story of how Davos became known as the Onion Knight for slipping into Storm's End during a seige that happened in Robert's Rebellion and fed Stannis' men with onions and salt beef. If Stannis gets the Iron Throne, he named Davos his Hand. Somehow, Davos seems like more of a Ned Stark kind of potential Hand than a Tyrion-level Hand, but good luck to all of them.

In Harrenhal, Tywin has left the castle under the command of Gregor Clegane, but left Arya there as well. Arya totally bamboozles Jaqen by naming him as his third and final kill so that he'd help her, Gendry and Hot Pie escape the castle. I liked how Jaqen was totally taken aback and pretty much begged her to unname him. A shame though that the awesome Tywin/Arya scenes must now come to an end. Maybe they'll run into each other again somewhere, but it's doubtful.

Robb Stark was busy this week, and he finally got busy with Talisa after being totally turned on with her story of how a slave resuscitated her drowned brother. Once again, Talisa just barges into the King's tent while Robb is plotting important strategy with Roose Bolton. And now Robb's gone and done it; he won't marry the Frey girl (over a bridge) and will become an oathbreaker to Walder Frey.

Robb also arrested his mother Catelyn for releasing Jaime Lannister and sending him off with Brienne back to King's Landing. Stannis is anywhere from one-to-two days away from King's Landing. Is it possible for Brienne to get Jaime back there from the Riverlands, even by little boat? Can she handle Jaime making fun of her the entire time and goading her to fight him?

North of the Wall, Jon Snow and Quorin Halfhand are prisoners of the Free Folk and are off to see Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall. The Lord of Bones has a pretty awesome Halloween mask. Elsewhere, Sam and Jon's Crow buddies find a stone carved by the First Men covering up a Night's Watch cloak and a bunch of dragon glass (the maester's call it "obsidian") blades. Weapons to kill the White Walkers with.

In Winterfell, Yara Greyjoy arrives to take her baby brother, the "Prince of Winterfell" home, complete with touching story of wanting to kill him when he was a baby. Somehow, I don't think anyone is surprised that Theon was a rotten baby. Theon decides to stay in Winterfell, but doesn't suspect that Osha is there stealing food from the kitchens. Maester Luwin catches her and we find out the burned bodies of "Bran and Rickon" are actually farmer's children Theon is passing off as the little Lords. The real Bran and Rickon, plus Hodor and the direwolves are hiding out in the Stark crypts beneath Winterfell.

Finally, in Qarth, Daenerys gets a token scene where she's hiding out from the warlocks and convinces Jorah Mormont to let her go to the House of the Undying to rescue the dragons. The word for this storyline is "stalling".



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
Stalling is about right. The whole episode felt like that. There were little moments I liked, like the beginning of the Brienne/Jaime storyline and the scenes with Tyrion and Varys. Overall though, it didn't seem like much happened in this episode compared to others.

Next week looks like it's going to be awesome though. Glad they're actually going to show the battle instead of making it happen offscreen like the first season.



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WAR
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HERE!

Well, next week, when everyone will be camping and grilling for the Holiday. But, still, war is (finally) here.

I didn't like how they ended the episode with the "reveal" that Bran and Rickon were not in fact charred bodies. I am interested in how it will play out, Cat is gonna lose her shit for sure.

It seemed to me that everyone thought that Cat had let Jaime go by himself the way they were talking. Did anyone understand that he was with Brienne? Also, not the best move ever.

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Cat letting Jamie go was probably the single stupidest move in the entire story. Well, as far as the characters go, Martin himself well..you'll see. Once Jamie has confessed all of his sins, why would you think he would have any honor left. I understand Ned telling Cersie about how he figured out it all out was pretty damn stupid. Yet, he still got the King's approval to take over and he thought Littlefinger and the guards would be on his side. Yet, if he knew the guards had no honor or Littlefinger was not to be trusted at all, he would have have never gone into the throne room. Cat stupidly believe Jamie has some honor left and threw away one of the great bargaining chips they had on that naive borderline retarded notion. And to let him go without any signs that the Lannisters would deal fair is just annoyingly stupid.

This is one of those get ready episodes. Where its all build towards the giant battle. DS9 had a bunch of episodes like this where you don't think much is going on til you realize later, there was massive stuff going on, but there was no connect the dots til later.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.55
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Cat letting Jamie go was probably the single stupidest move in the entire story. Well, as far as the characters go, Martin himself well..you'll see. Once Jamie has confessed all of his sins, why would you think he would have any honor left. I understand Ned telling Cersie about how he figured out it all out was pretty damn stupid. Yet, he still got the King's approval to take over and he thought Littlefinger and the guards would be on his side. Yet, if he knew the guards had no honor or Littlefinger was not to be trusted at all, he would have have never gone into the throne room. Cat stupidly believe Jamie has some honor left and threw away one of the great bargaining chips they had on that naive borderline retarded notion. And to let him go without any signs that the Lannisters would deal fair is just annoyingly stupid.



It wasn't smart, but Brienne pointed out it was unlikely Jamie would survive the night in that camp thanks to the Karstarks, and if he was killed they still lose their bargaining chip and likely Sansa's head as well.

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88
Poor Roz, she hasn't had a chance to play the role of exposition whore this season.
But it seems she did know enough (through Varys or Littlefinger?) to play along and let Cersei think she was Tyrion's special lady.

After a week of laying low, Tyrion was the best thing again.
His scene with Bronn was great. And he really is trying to save the town and the kingdom. Unlike every other person of power there it seems.

The scene with Arya and Jaqen was cool (as expected) simply because he is so totally right. "A girl has no honor"
He did save her life basically by killing that guy that was about to enter Tywin's chambers. Telling him without flinching that he was the 3rd person to die was just cold.
She'll make a great little heartless spy/assassin someday.

I couldn't help but laugh when Joffrey said he'd give him Stannis a read smile. Oh silly boy. Your mom was right, you're not a fighter like your dad...

A good episode though it was very obvious it was just a bit of stalling while we get ready for the siege of King's Landing and the visit to the house of the Undying.






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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.16
    Originally posted by dMp
    I couldn't help but laugh when Joffrey said he'd give him Stannis a read smile. Oh silly boy. Your mom was right, you're not a fighter like your dad...


It's true. Robert Baratheon was known throughout the realm as a great fighter.

Oh wait, you meant...

Still accurate. Joffrey's a chip off neither old block.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.73
The only thing I didn't care for this week was Robert and Talisa. The build up felt like a Lifetime movie. Her ass was nice though.

The Lannisters could totally win this war with more soldiers throwing books at Stannis forces. Thanks Bronn, RELEASE THE LIBRARIANS!

Yeah this was a GoT's "build-up episode", which is the equivalent of Supernatural's "filler episode" but way less prevalent and more focused on plot advancement.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88
    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    The only thing I didn't care for this week was Robert and Talisa. The build up felt like a Lifetime movie. Her ass was nice though.



I see what you mean, but I like this more than the way it was done in the book. To me it seemed like we hear a little bit about Robb's war and then suddenly he returns married with this completely random chick.

And yes Ass > bridge.





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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.59
I'm a bit late to the party on account of only catching up last night, but....
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Cat letting Jamie go was probably the single stupidest move in the entire story.
Sentences I Thought I'd Never Say #136 - I agree with lotjx.

What sort of dumbass plan is this anyway? She's expecting Brienne to rock up with Jamie and the Lannisters will, what, hand over Sensa out of some sort of sense of fair play? Has she met the Lannisters? Silly moo.

    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    My favorite thing in this episode was Joffrey planning to ride out to meet Stannis when he arrives and give him a red smile from ear to ear. Joffrey wants to turn Stannis into the Joker. I'll say one thing for King Joffrey, the kid has swagger.
Part of me wants to see someone end Joffrey in spectacular fashion because he's *such* a bastard but I'd be sad if/when it happens. You gots to love the kid's moxie.
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    A shame though that the awesome Tywin/Arya scenes must now come to an end.

Sad indeed, although Arya's interactions with pretty much anyone are tremendous. That girl is seriously awesome.

    Originally posted by Dawg
    I didn't like how they ended the episode with the "reveal" that Bran and Rickon were not in fact charred bodies
Yeah, it was pretty damn obvious they were alive and kicking last week because there's just no way they'd have passed on showing us Theon capture them. So for me last week ended on "oh look, a couple random kids are dead" and this week ended on "yep, they were just some random kids". I mean, I know any child dying = sadface, but still an underwhelming note on which to end.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
    Originally posted by dMr
    I'm a bit late to the party on account of only catching up last night, but....
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Cat letting Jamie go was probably the single stupidest move in the entire story.
    Sentences I Thought I'd Never Say #136 - I agree with lotjx.

    What sort of dumbass plan is this anyway? She's expecting Brienne to rock up with Jamie and the Lannisters will, what, hand over Sensa out of some sort of sense of fair play? Has she met the Lannisters? Silly moo.





They all come around, some day. Yeah, I never bought this in the book and even here. Its too much of an out for the writer. Martin obviously wanted Brienne, the ugly woman, and the Jamie, the pretty man, to be a tag team. Cat even with the trauma of losing the girls, would still be smart enough to realize the Lannisters, will not just give them up. They would kill Brienne and Jamie would swagger back to banging Ceresi. There is a few other ways they could have put those two together without making Cat look like a fucking moron.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.16
Recapping note: It's Memorial Weekend and I'll be traveling. I may or may not see "Blackwater" on Sunday night, and even if I'm able to, I may or may not be able to recap it in a timely fashion. I assure you there will be a recap, even if it shows up as late as Tuesday.



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