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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
"They are the Knights of Summer, and Winter is Coming" - Catelyn Stark to King Renly Baratheon

That episode was unspeakably good. Well, not unspeakably. We will speak of it, in great detail. But you know what I mean. An amazing, amazing episode (and Daenerys wasn't even in it). As masterful a book to screen adaptation as any ever done.

The cliffhanger to last week, when Craster bonked Jon Snow in the noggin after Jon caught Craster giving up one of his infant sons to a White Walker resulted in... Jon having a bonked noggin and the Night's Watch banished from Craster's Keep. All that really happened was some egg on Lord Commander Mormont's face. But there's the revelation that Mormont has known for a long time that Craster has been trading his sons for safety for a long time. Is this how the White Walkers have been regenerating their numbers? Plus Gilly took a thimble from Sam.

We got to see Bran's wolf vision, seeing the world (and Hodor) through his dire wolf Summer's eyes. Maester Luwin tried to talk Bran out of the idea that magic still exists in the world, and for his generation it doesn't exist. But magic has been seeping back into Westeros little by little whether the people of Westeros want to believe it or not. Maybe the magic never really left, people just stopped wanting to see it.

There was a pointed effort by the show not to refer to Renly's Kingsguard as the Rainbow Guard as George RR Martin does in the books. But where Martin coyly teased Renly and Loras Tyrell as gay, Game of Thrones just goes all fucking out, doesn't it? Margaery Tyrell is totally in on who her husband and her brother are. Renly had trouble wrapping his head around her invitation to have a brother and sister three way with him. And so did I. Another form of incest. This show, man. This show.

Brianne the Beauty was perfect. Perfect casting, perfect performance, just perfect. That wench. Looking so forward to all the things she's going to be involved in.

Meanwhile, poor Theon, caught between his loyalty to Robb Stark and his actual blood family who thinks he sucks. I did feel bad for him when he yelled at Balon Greyjoy for giving him away when he was a child. I guess old Balon didn't hear about the horseback diddling between brother and sister. Or maybe he did. We Do Not Sow (worldwide trending topic on Twitter).

It's a wonder Sansa Stark isn't a complete emotional wreck. Is every dinner conversation with Cercei, Myrcella and Tommen Lannister all about when she's going to marry Joffery and when and how Joffrey will kill her brother? The fact she can still function is because she's a Stark. At least she isn't being beaten every day like in the book. I totally forgot Shae was installed by Varys and Tyrion as Sansa's handmaiden. (Or was she in the book? I just don't remember.)

By the way, for everyone who noted how much Joffrey has grown since season one, Sansa made Shae look like she was Tyrion.

This was one of the best Tyrion episodes, and that's saying something. The montage of him planting three different "Marrying Myrcella off" stories to Grand Maester Pycelle, Varys, and Littlefinger was brilliantly done. "The Queen mustn't know." Dorne is the real gambit Tyrion planned, so it's ironic(?) Pycelle, who heard the Dorne story, was the one who ratted out to the Queen.

Littlefinger was pissed Tyrion played him and offered him Lordship over the Riverlands and Harrenhal. But then, everyone's been offered Harrenhal. I think even I was offered Harrenhal once or twice.

I love how Bronn really enjoys all the assignments Tyrion gives him, like rousting and imprisoning Pycelle for ratting Tyrion out to Cercei. Plus Shagga is back, and called Tyrion "half man". One thing about that Tyrion Lannister: He's always so good to the whores.

Cercei's reaction to her realization that Tyrion is ultimately right to send Myrcella to Dorne to foster an alliance between their families, rather than risk leaving her in King's Landing to be raped and killed if Robb Stark sacks the city, was probably the most relatable Cercei has been. No matter her many faults, Cercei does love her children. But man, look at those cheekbones.

One thing I do remember from the book: Varys provided the answer to his riddle about The Three Great Men and the Sellsword. The show left it ambiguous. "A very small man can cast a very great shadow."

The origin of Yoren was well done. Like Syrio, Arya loses another very interesting fellow who is briefly her mentor and then dies trying to protect her. Sucks to lose Yoren, he was really great. Like most people in Westeros, his life story of how he ended up on the Wall is bloody and depressing.

Last week, I wanted to pitch the idea of Dead On The Show Death Watch, but it seems like the show is killing characters earlier than they die in the books as well as supposedly killing a character who doesn't die in the book. If the latter is still going to occur, my pick from last week still holds. But...


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Lommy, who got an arrow through the leg during the Lannister attack on Yoren's group, doesn't die in the book until later. The show just killed him right away, with Needle's pointy end through the neck. I also don't remember if Arya identified Lommy as Gendry when he died in the book, but it was a brilliant move on her part in the episode.


(edited by John Orquiola on 16.4.12 0533)

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Yara Greyjoy does not live up to Asha Greyjoy from the books. I'm hoping that she takes a boat trip and does not come back.

I don't recall Shae working as Sansa's handmaiden. I'm pretty sure she just stuck to the kitchen.

I also agree that Brienne is perfect. She TOWERED over Catelyn and looked quite like I imagined her from the book.

The show seems to be making Loras and Margarey much bigger in this season than they ever were in 'Clash of Kings'.

Great episode. I missed Stannis, though.



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There's definitely a hardy, swashbuckling aspect to Asha Greyjoy in the books missing so far from Yara Greyjoy. Right now, Yara is mainly being used as a tomboy, "favored son" contrast to Theon. Yara has plenty more to do in the story, though, so we'll see if she gets to show a bit more verve when she's captaining those thirty ships.



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The thing with Yara or Asha or whatever her name is, she is not all that interesting to being with. She is the chick from the last Pirates movie with the exact same father issues. I found reading her stories to the most irritating and boring in the books. It could be I felt bad for Theon during this time, but when I was reading the books, I felt like I have seen the same bitchy Pirate Princess so many times thats been old hate. It also doesn't help she can be a moron at times, too.

I am glad they are making Sansa likable. A lot of fans of the books just outright hate the character. Probably, because they mistakenly blame her for Ned's death when its actually Ned who fucks things up for himself. As much as I like Yoren, no one and I mean no one has been a greater mentor on this show or in the books like Arya's Dancing Instructor. No one.

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This episode was incest-sational!

Maybe it's just me but Yara seems mildly retarded. It's that weird dead stare of hers that just speaks volumes to me.

I'm gonna make it a point to enjoy my day as much as Bronn enjoys his tasks that Tyrion gives him. I'm also intrigued with the relationship between Sansa and Shae. Hopefully they will become BFFs, or as close to friend's a prostitute posing as a servant to an enslaved princess can be.

The producers from GoT should consider minisodes for Team Tyrion like True Blood producers did for their characters.




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-So glad Pycelle got his. I hate that old fart.

-I don't know how long Arya stays a "boy" in the books, but they are gonna have a hell of a time making that work if puberty hits this kid.

-I hated Sansa last season, but am rooting for her now. Being married to Joffrey with Cercei as a mother-in-law is more than enough punishment regardless of how much she is to blame for Ned's death.
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#7 Posted on
    Originally posted by John Orquiola


    One thing I do remember from the book: Varys provided the answer to his riddle about The Three Great Men and the Sellsword. The show left it ambiguous. "A very small man can cast a very great shadow."


    (edited by John Orquiola on 16.4.12 0533)


What's the answer from the book?



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
    Originally posted by MoeGates
      Originally posted by John Orquiola


      One thing I do remember from the book: Varys provided the answer to his riddle about The Three Great Men and the Sellsword. The show left it ambiguous. "A very small man can cast a very great shadow."


      (edited by John Orquiola on 16.4.12 0533)


    What's the answer from the book?


Well, I misremembered. I looked it up. Varys posed the riddle and Shae offered an answer, not necessarily the answer:


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“May I leave you with a bit of a riddle, Lord Tyrion?” He did not wait for an answer. “In a room sit three great men, a king, a priest, and a rich man with his gold. Between them stands a sellsword, a little man of common birth and no great mind. Each of the great ones bids him slay the other two. ‘Do it’ says the king, ‘for I am your lawful ruler.’ ‘Do it’ says the priest, ‘for I command you in the names of the gods.’ ‘Do it’ says the rich man, ‘and all this gold shall be yours.’ So tell me—who lives and who dies?” Bowing deeply, the eunuch hurried from the common room on soft slippered feet.
When he was gone, Chella gave a snort and Shae wrinkled up her pretty face. “The rich man lives. Doesn’t he?”
Tyrion sipped at his wine, thoughtful. “Perhaps. Or not. That would depend on the sellsword, it seems.” He set down his cup. “Come, let’s go upstairs.”


I like that the show took it a step further and made it a riddle about power, where it comes from, who wields it, and why men allow it to be so.



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I was struggling a bit with who was who during the show tonight, but I thought I got it all down.

Then I read this recap and realized I'm about halfway there.
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    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo


    -I hated Sansa last season, but am rooting for her now. Being married to Joffrey with Cercei as a mother-in-law is more than enough punishment regardless of how much she is to blame for Ned's death.


This just hit me too, last year people hated how she could be such a dreamer and now...well she realized it too. She's stuck in hell having to pretend she is still happy.
Very well written and very well acted both this and last season.

The thing I love most is when the series hits scenes that I had buried somewhere in the back of my head.
Like Arya and the prayer. I got a smile on my face as this is one of her definers in the books.

I did not expect the craziness of the scenes with Margaery Tyrell. I had expected her to be portrayed as more innocent, as this is how she gets things done in the book, and well..comes into play at some point.
Hinting at 3somes with her brother does not help that.

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Especially since in the later books, Cersei tries to get rid of her by accusing her of incest


Anyways, perhaps it was more of a barb at Renley, showing she knew all about him and basically that she can use this knowledge.

I like how they push Tommen and Myrcella into more scenes (and make them look like decent kids) since they might be needed in the story later. Unlike the youngest Stark kid who is still a hardly seen mystery.




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