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|  #1 Posted on 29.11.09 2045.47 | Instant Rating: 8.00 | Game Informer just released their 200th issue, and with it put together their list of top 200 games. Its an interesting list with some really good stuff in there, though the most intriguing part is when some of these games were released (damn I feel old). According to the magazine they took into account "quality, cultural relevance, and industry impact" with votes tallied "by a clever computer application and a series of heated meetings to parse the results". I'm sure not everyone will agree, but I think they did a pretty good job.
1 Legend of Zelda NES 1987
2 Super Mario Bros. NES 1985
3 Tetris PC 1984
4 Grand Theft Auto III PS2 2001
5 Half-Life 2 PC 2004
6 Doom PC 1993
7 Metroid NES 1986
8 Final Fantasy III SNES 1994
9 Super Mario Bros. 3 NES 1990
10 Ms. Pac-Man Arcade 1981
11 World of Warcraft PC 2004
12 Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past SNES 1992
13 Super Mario 64 N64 1996
14 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare PS3/360/PC 2007
15 Final Fantasy VII PS1 1997
16 Mike Tyson's Punch Out NES 1987
17 Chrono Trigger SNES 1995
18 Resident Evil 4 GC 2005
19 Metal Gear Solid PS1 1998
20 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time N64 1998
21 Super Metroid SNES 1994
22 Contra NES 1988
23 Galaga Arcade 1981
24 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night PS1 1997
25 Street Fighter II Arcade 1991
26 God of War PS2 2005
27 Bioshock 360/PC 2007
28 Diablo II PC 2000
29 Half Life PC 1998
30 The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion PC/360 2006
31 Tecmo Super Bowl NES 1991
32 Goldeneye 007 N64 1997
33 Super Mario Kart SNES 1992
34 Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis 1991
35 StarCraft PC 1998
36 Civilization PC 1991
37 SimCity PC 1989
38 Mega Man 2 NES 1988
39 Halo Xbox 2001
40 Gran Turismo PS1 1998
41 Resident Evil 2 PS1 1998
42 Pokemon Red and Blue Game Boy 1996
43 Final Fantasy X PS2 2001
44 EverQuest PC 1999
45 Final Fantasy Tactics PS1 1998
46 Grand Theft Auto IV PS3/360 2008
47 Super Mario World SNES 1991
48 Deus Ex PC 2000
49 Guitar Hero PS2 2005
50 Metal Gear Solid 2 PS2 2001
51 Super Mario Galaxy Wii 2007
52 Pac-Man Arcade 1980
53 Battlefield 2 PC 2005
54 Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Xbox 2003
55 Ico PS2 2001
56 Uncharted 2: Among Thieves PS3 2009
57 Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 PS2 2000
58 Mass Effect 360 2007
59 Adventure Atari 2600 1980
60 Arkanoid Arcade 1986
61 Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening Game Boy 1993
62 Star Wars: X-Wing PC 1993
63 Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask N64 2000
64 Grand Theft Auto San Andreas PS2 2004
65 Fallout 3 PS3/360/PC 2008
66 Zork PC 1980
67 Soul Calibur Dreamcast 1999
68 Double Dragon Arcade 1987
69 Dr. Mario NES 1990
70 The Sims PC 2000
71 Age of Empires PC 1997
72 Mortal Kombat 2 Arcade 1993
73 Rock Band 2 PS3/360 2008
74 Tomb Raider PS1 1996
75 Super Bomberman SNES 1993
76 Mario's Picross Game Boy 1995
77 Ninja Gaiden NES 1989
78 Command & Conquer PC 1995
79 Kingdom Hearts PS2 2002
80 Final Fantasy II SNES 1991
81 Super Mario Bros. 2 NES 1988
82 Left 4 Dead PC 2008
83 Okami PS2 2006
84 Shadow of the Colossus PS2 2005
85 Metroid Prime GC 2002
86 Super Smash Bros. Melee GC 2001
87 Warcraft II PC 1995
88 Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn PC 2000
89 God of War II PS2 2007
90 Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Wii 2006
91 Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal PS2 2004
92 Medal of Honor: Allied Assault PC 2002
93 Skies of Arcadia Dreamcast 2000
94 Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker GC 2003
95 Silent Hill 2 PS2 2001
96 Counter-Strike PC 1999
97 Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Genesis 1992
98 Grand Theft Auto: Vice City PS2 2002
99 Prince of Persia: Sand of Time PS2/Xbox/GC 2003
100 Portal PC/360 2007
101 Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind PC 2002
102 Heroes of Might & Magic III PC 1999
103 Donkey Kong Arcade 1981
104 Batman: Arkham Asylum PS3/360 2009
105 System Shock 2 PC 1999
106 Resident Evil PS1 1996
107 Gears of War 360 2006
108 Metal Gear Solid 4 PS3 2008
109 Crash Bandicoot: Warped PS1 1998
110 Halo 2 Xbox 2004
111 Tetris Attack SNES 1996
112 Final Fantasy XII PS2 2006
113 Earthbound SNES 1995
114 Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri PC 1998
115 Command & Conquer Red Alert PC 1996
116 Advance Wars GBA 1997
117 Fallout PC 1997
118 Team Fortress 2 PS3/360/PC 2007
119 Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory Xbox 2005
120 Mega Man X SNES 1994
121 Lemmings PC 1991
122 Panzer Dragoon Saga Saturn 1998
123 NHL '94 Genesis 1993
124 Warlords Arcade 1980
125 Shadowrun SNES 1993
126 Twisted Metal 2 PS1 1996
127 Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee PS1 1997
128 Metroid Fusion GBA 2002
129 Homeworld PC 1999
130 Kingdom Hearts 2 PS2 2006
131 Pilotwings SNES 1991
132 Quake II PC 1997
133 Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II PC 1997
134 Borderlands PS3/360/PC 2009
135 Final Fight Arcade 1989
136 Star Fox SNES 1993
137 Madden '99 PS1/N64/PC 1998
138 Call of Duty 2 360/PC 2005
139 Wolfenstein 3D PC 1992
140 Diablo PC 1996
141 Civilization IV PC 2005
142 Maniac Mansion: Day of the Tentacle PC 1993
143 Assassin's Creed PS3/360 2007
144 Burnout 3: Takedown PS2/Xbox 2004
145 Unreal Tournament 2004 PC 2004
146 Power Stone 2 Dreamcast 2000
147 Super Castlevania IV SNES 1991
148 Super Mario RPG SNES 1996
149 Warcraft III PC 2002
150 ActRaiser SNES 1991
151 Fable Xbox 2004
152 Xenosaga Episode I: Der Wille zur Macht PS2 2003
153 Asteroids Arcade 1979
154 LittleBigPlanet PS3 2008
155 Crackdown 360 2007
156 Gauntlet Arcade 1985
157 Devil May Cry PS2 2001
158 Pong Arcade 1972
159 Battlefield 1942 PC 2002
160 Thief PC 1998
161 Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 360 2005
162 Far Cry PC 2004
163 Robotron: 2084 Arcade 1982
164 X-Com: UFO Defense PC 1993
165 Peggle PC 2007
166 King's Quest VI PC 1992
167 Doom 2 PC 1994
168 Tempest 2000 Jaguar 1994
169 Braid 360 2008
170 Ridge Racer PS1 1995
171 Bully PS2 2006
172 Ikaruga GC 2006
173 Lode Runner Apple II 1983
174 Gunstar Heroes Genesis 1993
175 Dig Dug Arcade 1982
176 Castlevania NES 1988
177 Tekken 3 Arcade 1997
178 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney DS 2005
179 NBA Jam Tournament Edition Arcade 1993
180 Max Payne PC 2001
181 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 PS3/360/PC 2009
182 Samurai Showdown Neo Geo 1993
183 NFL 2k5 PS2/Xbox 2004
184 Vagrant Story PS1 2000
185 Super Mario World 2:Yoshi's Island SNES 1995
186 Marble Madness Arcade 1984
187 Infamous PS3 2009
188 Planescape: Torment PC 1999
189 Kid Icarus NES 1986
190 Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay Xbox 2004
191 Metal Gear Solid 3 PS2 2004
192 Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem GC 2002
193 Jak 3 PS2 2004
194 Marvel vs. Capcom 2 Dreamcast 2002
195 Ultima PC 1981
196 Call of Duty PC 2003
197 NHL 09 PS3/360 2008
198 Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow Xbox 2004
199 Tactics Ogre PS1 1997
200 Beyond Good and Evil PS2/Xbox/GC 2003
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| #2 Posted on 29.11.09 2055.27 | Instant Rating: 1.11 | No complaints besides Sonic 2 being lower than Sonic 1 despite their mini review saying it's better than Sonic 1 and the best Sonic game ever.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/9471.html
IT'S TRUE! IT'S DAMN TRUE!
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| #3 Posted on 29.11.09 2105.07 | Instant Rating: 3.08 | Glancing over, seeing Final Fantasy III ahead of VII and Street Fighter II all the way down at 25 and I'm done.
Call me a whiny geek, but Street Fighter II is in the top five or your list is invalid, whether you personally liked the game or not, going by what they took into account. | El Nastio
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|  #4 Posted on 29.11.09 2120.55 | Instant Rating: 4.37 | Originally posted by wmatistic
Glancing over, seeing Final Fantasy III ahead of VII and Street Fighter II all the way down at 25 and I'm done.
Call me a whiny geek, but Street Fighter II is in the top five or your list is invalid, whether you personally liked the game or not, going by what they took into account.
I'll call you correct and would buy you a drink on the SF II portion, but then take it away for saying FF III is worse than VII. Of course, IV is the best FF IMHO, So Yeah.
Other quick hits;
- Super Mario 64 only revelutionized 3d platforming. 13 is inexcusable.
- A Link to the Past took what was great about Zelda and amped it to 11. Should be higher.
- Chrono Trigger NOT being near the Top 5 is appalling, and IMHO is #1 with a BULLET.
Lists are subjective, but I disagree with several of these.
(edited by El Nastio on 29.11.09 2221)
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|  #5 Posted on 29.11.09 2128.41 | Instant Rating: 6.77 | Wow - pretty much impossible to come up with a list like this that would resonate with all, but they've done a pretty darn good job for mine. So Kudos.
I notice everything is 'home platform' rather than arcade, which if that's how they've defined 'games' is fine. I always found the experience of games like Gauntlet never translated as well in the home, as you couldn't beat you and three of your mates crowded around a machine in a dingy arcade. We could never really recreate that atmosphere. Same for some of the multiplayer horizontal fighters.
Good to see some older games getting some love, proving that good gameplay != killer graphics only.
Worryingly, there aren't too many games on that list that I haven't played 
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Unless I missed it, no love for Dune 2? In terms of it's importance to the industry, I would think it would rate pretty high. I remember a time when everyione I knew was playing it until Warcraft 2 and C&C came out.
Good to see Peggle getting some love.
I still have a working NES and cartridges for items 2, 7 & 9. SM3 was so much deeper than anything else on the NES, but came at the end of the platform. I poured so much time into this, leaving the console powered up for days at a time trying to finish the game.
Of all the Sid Meier games, no Civ 2 (unless I missed it again) I thought that one was his peak and what took his name to bigger than the game.
Hey SM2 at #81. I wonder which one they mean? The weirdo re-badged one with the onion tossing? I seem to remember that some parts of the world got differing games? | Doc_whiskey
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| #6 Posted on 29.11.09 2150.17 | Instant Rating: 8.00 | To answer some questions:
-Yes it was the SMB2 game with the throwing of the onions
-There are quite a few arcade games on the list (including gauntlet)
-no Dune 2
-no Civ 2 (but there was Civ 1 and Civ 4)
My thoughts
-While SM64 was a little high at 13, and Link to the Past could be higher than 11, I can't think of a game in the top 10 to remove (I really think the two most likely candidates (HLF2 and Metroid) deserve to be in the top 10 as well)
-Punch Out was great, but it was rated a little high
-whoever said it was right, Street Fighter 2 should at least be in the top 20
-Halo basically ensured the X-box would survive until more games came out therefore it should be a little higher than 39
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| #7 Posted on 29.11.09 2153.48 | Instant Rating: 8.85 | Originally posted by Big G
I notice everything is 'home platform' rather than arcade, which if that's how they've defined 'games' is fine.
10 Ms. Pac-Man Arcade 1981
23 Galaga Arcade 1981
25 Street Fighter II Arcade 1991
52 Pac-Man Arcade 1980
60 Arkanoid Arcade 1986
68 Double Dragon Arcade 1987
72 Mortal Kombat 2 Arcade 1993
103 Donkey Kong Arcade 1981
124 Warlords Arcade 1980
135 Final Fight Arcade 1989
153 Asteroids Arcade 1979
156 Gauntlet Arcade 1985
158 Pong Arcade 1972
163 Robotron: 2084 Arcade 1982
175 Dig Dug Arcade 1982
177 Tekken 3 Arcade 1997
179 NBA Jam Tournament Edition Arcade 1993
186 Marble Madness Arcade 1984
Pong is too low. Including NBA Jam but not Cyberball seems weird to me. Overlooking Tempest and Defender seems weird to me. However, I am also "old."
Dunno about Ms. Pac-Man in relation to Pac-Man. I understand WHY, but I still have to go with the "can't have (x) without having (y) first" argument...
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| #8 Posted on 29.11.09 2200.06 | Instant Rating: 6.67 | Seems unlikely so many games in the Super Mario franchise would qualify. In my (old) mind, they blur.
Wasn't Intellivision the first console to have game vocals with the Intellivoice hardware add-on? That seems like a significant bump in the evolution of games. I recall that system's B-17 Bomber had a variety of voices within one game, including one with a thick Southern accent. That level of atmosphere and technology should earn a ranking.
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| #9 Posted on 29.11.09 2225.23 | Instant Rating: 5.61 | Originally posted by Doc_whiskey
31 Tecmo Super Bowl NES 1991
I'll sleep well tonight.
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| #10 Posted on 29.11.09 2254.19 | Instant Rating: 3.38 | Who released TETRIS in 1984? Lord knows, there have been some incredible renditions and version that have come out. I'd probably give my vote to the pirate Tengen version that came out for the NES, or the original for the Game Boy over a PC version I can't remember. Lord knows, in the day of Shareware and BBSes, I was able to get over fifteen versions of the game from developers that I can't even remember.
Tetris Attack: wasn't that a Mario-esque game with Yoshi? I remember it being a very fun game.
I'm gonna guess I'm in the minority, but I hated Super Mario 64.
I'm not happy that Final Fantasy VIII isn't on that list. FFVII's ending really irked me. For a game with the word FINAL in it, it seemed to need a few other parts to finish the story, such as an additional game and a movie or something. I dunno. Anyhow, FFVIII had a set ending, with great characters and a great storyline with Squall and Rinoa. It's easily my favorite out of the series.
And yes, I know that Aeris's death is a brilliant turning point in video games, so I'm not denouncing the game's greatness. I just thought that 8 was better than 7.
The fact that Dance Dance Revolution isn't on this list is a crying shame.
Vice City was A LOT better than San Andreas. Sorry.
(edited by Oliver on 29.11.09 2156)
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| #11 Posted on 29.11.09 2321.07 | Instant Rating: 3.87 | I agree with Oliver on GTA: Vice City. It might be okay to put GTA III ahead of it (I wouldn't myself as VC was the game that got me into GTA), but to put VC below SA is silly.
Ocarina of Time is way too low on this list. As is Metroid Prime.
The biggest omission is any of the Paper Mario games, especially Paper Mario 2: The Thousand Year Door. That's the game that showed me that I could actually like an RPG game.
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| #12 Posted on 30.11.09 0116.18 | Instant Rating: 6.39 |
A couple years ago, Sven (formerly of the DVDVR board) did a massive "best games ever" thread that's worth tracking down, even if it's a bit dated now.
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| #13 Posted on 30.11.09 0121.41 | Instant Rating: 6.77 | Originally posted by CRZ
Originally posted by Big G
I notice everything is 'home platform' rather than arcade, which if that's how they've defined 'games' is fine.
10 Ms. Pac-Man Arcade 1981
23 Galaga Arcade 1981
25 Street Fighter II Arcade 1991
52 Pac-Man Arcade 1980
60 Arkanoid Arcade 1986
68 Double Dragon Arcade 1987
72 Mortal Kombat 2 Arcade 1993
103 Donkey Kong Arcade 1981
124 Warlords Arcade 1980
135 Final Fight Arcade 1989
153 Asteroids Arcade 1979
156 Gauntlet Arcade 1985
158 Pong Arcade 1972
163 Robotron: 2084 Arcade 1982
175 Dig Dug Arcade 1982
177 Tekken 3 Arcade 1997
179 NBA Jam Tournament Edition Arcade 1993
186 Marble Madness Arcade 1984
Urgh. How the hell did I miss all that? Sorry all. Scary bit is it wasn't as if I did a 3 second scan and then posted either. Mental Note - need to check everything I did at work today when I get in tomorrow.
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| #14 Posted on 30.11.09 0156.06 | Instant Rating: 5.47 | Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
Originally posted by Doc_whiskey
31 Tecmo Super Bowl NES 1991
I'll sleep well tonight.
Agreed. TSB for the NES is still the best football video game I've ever played, and I've been playing Madden games since Madden '93. As soon as Nintendo decides to release TSB for the Virtual Console I'm buying another Wii (I sold all the Wiis I owned before).
Also, the list has it right re: the order of Grand Theft Auto games. GTA III revolutionized free-form gaming. GTA IV took it to a whole 'nother level of graphics and depth. Vice City was a SWEET game and remains one of my all time favorites, but San Andreas was much, much deeper, more difficult, and more rewarding to make progress in. Take everything that was great about Vice City and make the game like five times larger and give it a little presentational upgrade to boot. It was like the intermediate step between GTA III and GTA IV in terms of bringing something new to the table.
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| #15 Posted on 30.11.09 0207.28 | Instant Rating: 3.85 | Quick thoughts:
-Did anyone find ANY wrestling game on there? If we have boxing games, you think we would have wrestling games.
-COD4's is an amazing game, but 17 seems to be amazingly high. Especially when you compare it with any of the Halo games, the first at 39. Halo 3's multiplayer alone should warrant at least SOME inclusion on this list for the Forge feature that is pretty much going to keep that game alive forever. Love or hate the series, Halo outside of the top 25 makes little sense.
-While I love me some zelda, I don't know how ANY of the games in that series would beat out Mario in terms of cultural relevancy, and the quality of the games would be a push at the NES level. I'd switch Mario 1 with Zelda 1, and then swap a Link to the Past with the Original Zelda. In terms of quality, you can't beat A Link to the Past.
-Mario 64 is top-ten worthy.
-No Donkey Kong Country? That was a pretty important platformer series for the SNES.
(edited by Shadowhendrix on 30.11.09 0210) | bash91
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| #16 Posted on 30.11.09 0657.56 | Instant Rating: 5.51 | As a PC only gamer, the list is kind of meh for me.
- It's good to see X-Com getting some love, but it's about 150 spots too low on the list.
- It's also good to see Roberta Williams getting some love, even if I do think they picked the wrong King's Quest game.
- Putting Oblivion above games like Baldur's Gate II and Planescape: Torment is just wrong. I really enjoyed Oblivion, but it wasn't as good as either of the aforementioned games. For that matter, I'm not sure Oblivion was better than Morrowwind.
- As others have noted, Civ II was much better and much more addictive than Civ IV.
- I'd probably argue that Max Payne is too low on the list as well.
- Echoing CRZ, where's Defender? For that matter, where's the arcade version of Smash TV? The quarters spent on those games probably would have financed one of my years of graduate school.
- Finally, where's M.U.L.E. and either Master of Orion or MOO II? The amount of time I spent on those games is just ludicrous and they were undeniably influential and lots of fun.
Tim
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| #17 Posted on 30.11.09 0713.51 | Instant Rating: 3.08 | Originally posted by El Nastio
Originally posted by wmatistic
Glancing over, seeing Final Fantasy III ahead of VII and Street Fighter II all the way down at 25 and I'm done.
Call me a whiny geek, but Street Fighter II is in the top five or your list is invalid, whether you personally liked the game or not, going by what they took into account.
I'll call you correct and would buy you a drink on the SF II portion, but then take it away for saying FF III is worse than VII. Of course, IV is the best FF IMHO, So Yeah.
(edited by El Nastio on 29.11.09 2221)
I'm not saying FF III wasn't awesome, but in terms of "quality, cultural relevance, and industry impact" I think VII wins at least the last two on that list, pretty easily.
That's why SF II should be higher, the whole fighting game explosion was started by that game.
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|  #18 Posted on 30.11.09 0822.40 | Instant Rating: 6.63 | Clearly, there is altogether not enough Manic Miner on this list.
I still maintain that Super Mario Bros was one of the most hideously overrated games in the history of man, but nearly a quarter of a century on I'm just about ready to accept that the rest of the world will never come round to my way of thinking.
Originally posted by StingArmy
TSB for the NES is still the best football video game I've ever played, and I've been playing Madden games since Madden '93.
Wasn't it Madden that first introduced the 'vertical POV' type camera angle that most football games since went on to adopt? If so, I would've thought Madden should get some more love just for that. And the player-crushing ambulance from '92 remains one of the finest things in sports games' history. ;) | djp
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| #19 Posted on 30.11.09 1230.02 | Instant Rating: 4.48 | Originally posted by Doc_whiskey
18 Resident Evil 4 GC 2005
I had this game on Gamecube, then played it on PS2, and now have the ported Wii version. Still love this game. | MUTigermask
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| #20 Posted on 30.11.09 1501.47 | Instant Rating: 6.11 | | Xenosaga makes the list at #152, but Xenogears is nowhere to be found. Huh!? | | Pages: 1 2 Next
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