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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
One on hand, you have people calling for the head of CNN exec Eason Jordan for alleging that American soldiers have targeted reporters for assassination.

On the other hand, you have "Jeff Gannon," former "Talon News" correspondent, who, among having a nom de plume, also had gay sex-themed sites. The same Jeff Gannon who has credentialed his way into WH pressers and allegedly...
    Originally posted by Daily Kos
    got access to classified CIA documents that outs an undercover CIA operative (Valerie Plame)


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
A Pox on both thier houses. There is no room for this garbage form either side...



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.49
I'm not seeing the connection you're trying to draw unless it's to point out how people with an agenda are willing to make allegations without a smattering of proof. We've got Eason Jordan (billroggio.com) accusing the US military of deliberately targeting journalists and then backing away from it when challenged by Barney Frank and we've got a homophobic racist, Kos, attacking a conservative because he's gay and he "allegedly" outed Valerie Plame. If there's more here, fill it in, because I'm missing it.

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
The problem with Jeff Gannon is that he has no true news credentials to speak of, is operating under an alias, the White House should have picked up on both of these facts and not given him a press pass, and Gannon is notorious for lobbing the softest of softball questions in the press conferences, which suggests that the vetting for the press pass was eased so that Gannon would be able to make said softball questions.

I do however question why the military escorts websites he allegedly runs are being made as big a deal out of.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.26
    Originally posted by bash91
    we've got a homophobic racist, Kos, attacking a conservative because he's gay and he "allegedly" outed Valerie Plame. If there's more here, fill it in, because I'm missing it.

    Tim


You're missing it.

Some guy with no press credentials used a fake name and got a press pass, and then was used to basically help the Administration's agenda along. Assuming you don't have a problem with the White House blurring the lines between propaganda and journalism, I'd think you would have a problem with the White House giving out press credentials, without running a background check, to somebody using a fake name. They then turn around and claim to require proof of a legitimate news source, or some such nonsense, before they give out any credentials, and it turns out Talon News was created less than a fucking week before he gets his press pass. So, again assuming that there is nothing ethically wrong with using pretend journalists to promote your agenda, we also have to pretend that there is nothing wrong with letting somebody with absolutely no credentials and a fake name walk around the White House? It's either depraved or just stupid, and I'm not sure which one is worse.

All the weird connections to escort services and Valerie Plame are just icing on the cake. Very weird icing on a very disgusting cake.

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.59
    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    You're missing it.

    Some guy with no press credentials used a fake name and got a press pass, and then was used to basically help the Administration's agenda along. Assuming you don't have a problem with the White House blurring the lines between propaganda and journalism, I'd think you would have a problem with the White House giving out press credentials, without running a background check, to somebody using a fake name.


I'm sorry, I'm seeing a whole lot of conjecture there and not a shred of, you know, proof. The AP (news.yahoo.com) quotes Scott McClellan as saying that he was properly credentialed and they don't challenge it. If you've get evidence to prove otherwise, post it. Otherwise, I think I can safely assume that this is just another conspiracy theory coming from Media Matters and Kos.

In regards to the White House blurring the lines between propaganda and journalism, have you ever read a White House press release? Every administration releases propaganda disguised as journalism in order to make their positions and policies look better. Every administration also has reporters that they can count on to spin things correctly. To imply that this administration is unique in that is historically inaccurate.

    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    They then turn around and claim to require proof of a legitimate news source, or some such nonsense, before they give out any credentials, and it turns out Talon News was created less than a fucking week before he gets his press pass.


And your point would be? Wow, a new news organization tried to get a reporter credentialed and they succeeded. Oh, I forgot, "real" media has always been there, it's impossible to be a newcomer and be a legitimate news source. Remind me again, how old is CNN?


    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    So, again assuming that there is nothing ethically wrong with using pretend journalists to promote your agenda, we also have to pretend that there is nothing wrong with letting somebody with absolutely no credentials and a fake name walk around the White House? It's either depraved or just stupid, and I'm not sure which one is worse.


Ok, what's a pretend journalist? Gannon has his own radio show and has been regularly published for a couple of years. If that's not good enough, then there are an awful lot of people in newsrooms today who aren't "real" journalists. If the concern is that he's admittedly biased, then there are even more people worried.

Is he a good journalist? Probably not. Is he a journalist? Absolutely. Is he as good a journalist as Eason Jordan or Markos Zuniga? Most assuredly.

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by bash91
    and we've got a homophobic racist, Kos


To reply to that, I'll just use your other retort:

    Originally posted by bash91
    I'm sorry, I'm seeing a whole lot of conjecture there and not a shred of, you know, proof.


Also -- I tried to play both sides of the political fence here, and so did Grimis... why did you have to get all partisan on us? I'm just trying to make the point that you had a CNN exec and a "reporter" that both made bad choices.
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    Originally posted by bash91
    I'm sorry, I'm seeing a whole lot of conjecture there and not a shred of, you know, proof. The AP (news.yahoo.com) quotes Scott McClellan as saying that he was properly credentialed and they don't challenge it. If you've get evidence to prove otherwise, post it.


He was "properly credentialed" on a daily basis. For two years. In order to get a "hard pass," you have to prove that you work for a regularly publishing news body that accepts advertising (which doesn't make much sense to me, especially considering that NPR has one, so maybe their are exceptions to this rule) and are not affiliated with a political party. Here's the Washington Post's list of White House correspondents (registration required, I think), nearly all of whom are easily recognizable news agencies. The few that I didn't know turned out to own small newspaper chains. I couldn't find any indication of how many people get in on temporary passes, if two years is along time to be using temporary passes, and who is on a temporary pass right now. Regardless, to pretend like he is a regular member of the press corp is ridiculous, and just not true, as he was denied a pass on the basis that his site is run by www.gopusa.com. Furthermore, according to a Salon article (link is to what seems to be a reprint of it, as Salon is a subscription service), Gannon was denied a pass to cover Congress by The Standing Committee of Correspondents, who are in charge of assiging such press credentials. So, his very presence in the room is suspect to begin with.


    In regards to the White House blurring the lines between propaganda and journalism, have you ever read a White House press release? Every administration releases propaganda disguised as journalism in order to make their positions and policies look better. Every administration also has reporters that they can count on to spin things correctly. To imply that this administration is unique in that is historically inaccurate.


No previous adminstration has used our money to put together fake tv news programs that push their policy. That goes beyond the scope of "friendly reporters" and into the realm of being deliberately misleading. There is a huge difference between a press release which uses the rosiest economic estimates, for example, and hiring actors to portray journalists, film them asking questions about the administrations policies, and then send it off to television stations. So yeah, I think we have evidence eough to be a little leary about the current adminstration's relation with media.



    Ok, what's a pretend journalist?


Uh, Jeff Gannon, maybe?


    Gannon has his own radio show and has been regularly published for a couple of years. If that's not good enough, then there are an awful lot of people in newsrooms today who aren't "real" journalists.


If that is good enough, where the hell is my press pass? Hell, by your criteria, anybody with an internet connection should be allowed in the White House press room.

Furthermore, we're not discussing newsrooms. News agencies can hire anybody they want, as far as I'm concerned. For the White House to treat, say, Mad Magazine as a peer of CNN, however, would be absolutely outrageous. And, sadly, Jeff Gannon/Talon News seem to meet fewer requirements than Mad.

But yeah, any idea that some guy who would seem to have a hard time getting a press pass to a school board meeting being waived into the White House on a temporary pass for two years, wherein he asks charged questions and misquotes opponents of the current administration is nothing to be suspicious about.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.27
    Originally posted by hansen9j
    The problem with Jeff Gannon is that he has no true news credentials to speak of, is operating under an alias,


Much like many of the TV folks. How many of them use their real name? Or have a real hard-news background? The issue has absolutely nothing to do with his name or Web sites that he runs in his own time.

The only issue is whether the administration in power is showing preferential treatment in who they give credentials to, accept questions from and leak documents to. Which would be roughly the least-surprising revelation ever. If you think that there's ever been an administration that didn't play favorites to those who lob softballs and give favorable coverage, I've got a real nice piece of property in Arizona to sell you. It's right on the ocean and everything.

The requirements for permanent passes are MUCH more stringent than day passes. That even applies to White House staff. In the first few years of the Clinton administration, and probably in just about every administration, but I saw it mentioned more often in the Clinton administration, there were dozens of staffers who used their temporary passes for their entire length of service because they either had a ridiculous wait to get through the rather time-consuming process of background checks or didn't want to take them for whatever reason.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
Eason Jordan Resigns!

America-hating head of a network brought down. You can have Gannon. :)



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by CrimeDog
    Much like many of the TV folks. How many of them use their real name? Or have a real hard-news background?


Um, at least from a local standpoint, I've only known two out of around 75-100 or so reporters/mets/etc. at our station NOT go by their real name.

You're right on one thing, though -- the issue isn't just the male escort sites he was hired to design -- it is mainly that he was able to see classified CIA documents.

According to a NewsNight with Aaron Brown discussion, Gannon-Guckert more or less threw the gauntlet at the liberal bloggers, saying he's got nothing to hide. Apparently, he did -- and that is why (as well as working for a GOP-leaning site in a fundamentally hyper-sensitive time right now... and then designing the male escort sites) there's furor.

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.50
The real problem is not using a stage name but why you use it.



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