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Gold title credits! Or is that amber?

It's kinda amazing how after doing a massive reboot, in which a major character is wiped out of existence, this show seamlessly went back to doing "case of the week"-type storytelling. Of course, the cases are not arbitrary - these new cases will inform the mythology of the show much more strongly than a run-of-the-mill case from Season 1 or 2. The origin of these new shapeshifters, for example, is going to be a huge reveal, I'm sure.

It's also pretty startling to see Olivia talk and act like she did back in Season 1. Anna Torv pulls it off pretty damn well.

Without Peter's influence, Walter is afraid to go outside, but that means we get Astrid in the field! So it's all good.

"They can never know the boy lived to be a man." I'm probably spending too much time thinking about this (and missing the obvious answer), but what does this mean? If Peter never existed, then who's the boy?

I'm just happy to have this back.





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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.89
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    "They can never know the boy lived to be a man." I'm probably spending too much time thinking about this (and missing the obvious answer), but what does this mean? If Peter never existed, then who's the boy?


Peter existed, but he died as a boy twice in our universe. The first time he died, it was our Peter, catching whatever virus that threatened both Peters in their universes.

The second death was after Walter kidnapped their Peter and brought him here. Walter's car went into the lake, and Peter originally was only saved by the Observer, who broke protocol and intervened, creating the timeline we knew all along.

In the new timeline, he didn't do that and Peternate drowned. This should have eradicated all evidence of an adult Peter. But Peter is somehow flashing into the present and bedeviling Walter.

The Observer has screwed up the world, I suspect, and it's not Walter's fault that Earth-2 was subject to wormholes. It's the Observer's.



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Everything you say makes sense, and I agree with it. It's just that what The Observer said at the end of the finale, plus this interview (tvline.com) with the producers from immediately after the finale really confuse things. Particularly...

    If Peter “Never Existed,” Wouldn’t That Mean No Feud Between the Walters, No Machine Activated, No 2026 Doomsday...?

    In a word, no. “Walter and [William] Bell were always trying to find a way to cross over, even before the Peter [abduction] incident,” Pinkner reminds. “So things may have happened differently.”


Maybe it's just me.





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I was expecti.g peter to now be an observer.

After first episode, not so much.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.42
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    Gold title credits! Or is that amber?

    It's kinda amazing how after doing a massive reboot, in which a major character is wiped out of existence, this show seamlessly went back to doing "case of the week"-type storytelling. Of course, the cases are not arbitrary - these new cases will inform the mythology of the show much more strongly than a run-of-the-mill case from Season 1 or 2. The origin of these new shapeshifters, for example, is going to be a huge reveal, I'm sure.


No doubt. Could be something really cool. And it's always nice having Michelle Krusiec on my TV screen.

    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    It's also pretty startling to see Olivia talk and act like she did back in Season 1. Anna Torv pulls it off pretty damn well.


The funny thing, though, is that back in season 1 everyone thought Anna Torv couldn't act. Now we now she can, and she was playing someone who doesn't show her emotions and such.

I can understand why they're doing this, but I hope it doesn't last too long. The camaraderie between Walter/Peter/Olivia/Astrid is a big part of why I love the show, and it's not as much fun to hang out with these versions. Plus, I don't like the fact that all continuity is potentially out the window (e.g. now our Fringe team hasn't met Lincoln before, and I think we can infer that Olivia never spent time Over There either. Except, wait, didn't Olivia say something to Fauxlivia about the latter taking over her life? So where was Olivia that she didn't meet Lincoln? Ugh.)

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    Gold title credits! Or is that amber?



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