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Since: 11.7.02
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Here is a frightening case of a guy in Baltimore who is being prosecuted and held for $2 million bail on a misdemenaor charge. It's readily apparent that they guy is being held solely for the fact that he is a racist and a critic of the government, for he committed no felonious crimes.

Of course, the ACLU is nowhere to be found....



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#2 Posted on

    Originally posted by Grimis
    Of course, the ACLU is nowhere to be found....

And of course neither is much of the media.
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Perhaps they're worried that he might go home and make use of the 80 lbs. of gunpowder he had sitting in his house ;)



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I don't really see anything wrong with a bail that high in this case. The man is obviously stockpiling weapons. It is best to keep him off the street until a trial (though it should happen as fast as possible).

I mean, why is he gathering all of that weaponry? He is obviously a cook, and may be planning to use it. If they let him out on bail, he may a pull a "the gig is up, let's start NOW" and start killing.

As long as they are not holding him in secret, I have no trouble erring on the side of caution in this case.





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Since: 22.8.02
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Can y'all feel the RIGHTeous love for the ACLU?
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There was a TON of media on this case when he first got arrested a month or so ago.

I'm pretty comfortable with people being arrested for stockpiling large pounds of gunpowder.

It is anyone's right to be a racist. If you are a racist who says he is stockpiling weapons for a race war that you intend to participate in (and your wife corroborates this), then I think there is enough of a *reasonable* threat to public safety to keep you under lock and key (unless you can pay the bail).

I don't really see the problem, but then, I don't have 50 pounds of gunpowder under my stairs.



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Actually, don't people always hate on the ACLU for defending the KKK?





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I think the fact that he is accused of stockpiling weapons is reason enough for the high bail (well, really we're talking no bail, numbers like these make me wonder if the judge was seeking publicity for himself), as he could potentially be a threat to society. It's not like he's being held for passing bad checks or something.



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The man has committed no crime. The man has not threatened anybody. The man has not committed any felonies. He is being held for "reckless endangerment" for storing ammunition the way experts suggest you should.

The fact that folks here left and right are uniting to piss on the Constitution in this case really disturbs me, because nobody is considering the fact that if the government can hold this guy without probably cause, they can hold YOU without it.

EDIT:
Incidentally

Wheeler: misdemeanor reckless endangerment, $2 million bail
Kobe Bryant: felony rape/sexual assault, $25,000 bail


Doesn't this seem fucked up to you?

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    It is anyone's right to be a racist. If you are a racist who says he is stockpiling weapons for a race war that you intend to participate in (and your wife corroborates this), then I think there is enough of a *reasonable* threat to public safety to keep you under lock and key (unless you can pay the bail).


Because he's a racist who owns guns, he *obviously* owns the guns for racist purposes.
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Since: 15.1.02
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That is hardly a comparison. I don't think the 9-11 terrorists were felonious criminals either before that day. Maybe OJ Simpson would have been a better association than Kobe but neither one are really. What would happen if a racist Black man had all that stuff?

I'm glad to hear that there are finally being real steps taken against racial violence, in any form. He didn't have all that crap to make fire-crackers. I believe in freedom and all that stuff, as long as you're not hurting other people.

Besides did it matter if there were any racist people dying in the Oklahoma City bombing? Those stupid f#cks don't have a problem killing anyone. So yeah, lock his ass up and find out what you can find out to stop the rest.

How I see it, this generation is pretty much screwed in the whole racial animosity thing. Like the common scenario in a room with Blacks on one side and Whites on another. And for the most part, it's just how we were raised. Please don't pass this stuff on to your children people(that's a whole nother thread).

Another question: How many different "races" died on 9-11, It didn't matter, thosands of AMERICANS died and that's all that mattered. You know, I really do love reading stuff like this from you guys.




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Since: 11.7.02
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    Originally posted by NEO
    That is hardly a comparison. I don't think the 9-11 terrorists were felonious criminals either before that day.

The hijackers were illegal immigrants; that's a felony.


    Originally posted by NEO
    I'm glad to hear that there are finally being real steps taken against racial violence, in any form. He didn't have all that crap to make fire-crackers. I believe in freedom and all that stuff, as long as you're not hurting other people.

How the hell does this solve racial violence? Are you condemning violating the the 8th Amendment(Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted) to bow at the altar of diversity?


    Originally posted by NEO
    Besides did it matter if there were any racist people dying in the Oklahoma City bombing? Those stupid f#cks don't have a problem killing anyone. So yeah, lock his ass up and find out what you can find out to stop the rest.

    How I see it, this generation is pretty much screwed in the whole racial animosity thing. Like the common scenario in a room with Blacks on one side and Whites on another. And for the most part, it's just how we were raised. Please don't pass this stuff on to your children people(that's a whole nother thread).


And irrelevant to the story. Is this guy a piece of shit? Yeah, probably. Are his views way the hell out of left field? Yes. Does stifling him mean more to you than the Constitution? Racial issues have nothing to do with excessive bail.


    Originally posted by NEO
    Another question: How many different "races" died on 9-11, It didn't matter, thosands of AMERICANS died and that's all that mattered. You know, I really do love reading stuff like this from you guys.


Again, turning this into a race issue when it is not.



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Since: 2.1.02

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Again, this guy is potentially a threat to public safety. Setting a lower bail that he can reach by leveraging his equity in his home seems counterproductive and reckless.

Bucs--he and his wife clearly said that they owned the guns and gunpowder for the upcoming Race War. Their own statements make it "obvious."

Grimis--The Bryant argument doesn't work for me, because Kobe hasn't gone on record saying he was planning on raping women at random over and over again. I'm sure if he did, his bail would have been higher or denied.

I understand the Constitutional argument, but your rights are only yours as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others.

I wasn't aware that I had the right to stockpile dangerous weapons or materials for a war that I have created in my own head. I'll make a note of it.







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Since: 15.1.02
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Since the 9-11 thing was too easy to divert since they were illegally here. Think about Timothy McVeigh. He was not an illegal immigrant, and up to that point he was not a serious threat was he. So what are you saying, let him out and do whatever he was trying to do and see what happens?

Like I said about the rights and freedoms, as long as you're not hurting someone else. We don't live in a world like Minority Report. He had that stuff for a reason maybe for protection or maybe for aggression, who knows.

And maybe you're right though, maybe this isn't about racism at all. I bet that even if he wasn't racist and had that stuff the situation would be the same probably. Sorry bout dat.



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